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Who is to blame more, Stephen Ross, Jeff Ireland or Joe Philbin?

Ross. Because he could have had Harbaugh but instead he asked Jim if he'd be willing to take on the current head coach as his new offensive line coach. And then introduced him to his new boss: Jeff Ireland.

At that point, winding up with a crummy coach was a given.
 
Ross is to blame. he needed to clean house when he first acquired the team.
 
If you knew then what you know now, would Tannehill be added as one of the choices?

Serious question - was the decision to draft Tannehill with the #8 pick:

100% Ireland
50% Ireland, 50% Philbin
33%, Ireland, 33% Philbin, 33% Sherman
50% Ross, 50% Ireland
some other combination

Or I guess some would say Tannehill was the correct pick but it is 100% on the coaches for his lack of development.


normaniii said:
Wrote this a while ago
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I don't think Steve Ross has been all bad. Not at all. In fact, I think he has been better than Wayne in some respects.

But Philbin has proved to be a bad hire and sticking with Ireland for four years was pretty awful.
 
Ross! He is a clueless mouth breather, he hires those that take on his personality!
 
nyashfan said:
If you knew then what you know now, would Tannehill be added as one of the choices?

Serious question - was the decision to draft Tannehill with the #8 pick:

100% Ireland
50% Ireland, 50% Philbin
33%, Ireland, 33% Philbin, 33% Sherman
50% Ross, 50% Ireland
some other combination

Or I guess some would say Tannehill was the correct pick but it is 100% on the coaches for his lack of development.
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I'm usually pretty consistent in the belief that you own what you own (GM gets credit for personnel, head coach gets credit for schemes, starters, assistants, QB owns his stats, o-line owns sacks, etc, etc) but the one exception is I believe choosing the QB is a collaborative effort. So it doesn't really matter to me who owns what percentage, if they failed they all failed.

The one thing I appreciate, and I've said this many times, that under Philbin's system we'd find out sooner rather than later what we had in Tannehill. It was a sink or swim approach and just when it looked like we might have had a swimmer, he panicked and drowned. This is not a bad outcome for me and its not even close to the worst case scenario.
 
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Interesting perspective. Thanks.


roy_miami said:
I'm usually pretty consistent in the belief that you own what you own (GM gets credit for personnel, head coach gets credit for schemes, starters, assistants, QB owns his stats, o-line owns sacks, etc, etc) but the one exception is I believe choosing the QB is a collaborative effort. So it doesn't really matter to me who owns what percentage, if they failed they all failed.

The one thing I appreciate, and I've said this many times, that under Philbin's system we'd find out sooner rather than later what we had in Tannehill. It was a sink or swim approach and just when it looked like we might have had a swimmer, he panicked and drowned. This is not a bad outcome for me and its not even close to the worst case scenario.
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To be fair to Hickey, his draft seems very good.

When you look at San Diego and the massive Oline they have, together with the 3-4 D, Ireland did leave a talented roster that was overhauled due to scheme. With McCoy, I feel it would have been an ideal fit.
 
normaniii said:
To be fair to Hickey, his draft seems very good.

When you look at San Diego and the massive Oline they have, together with the 3-4 D, Ireland did leave a talented roster that was overhauled due to scheme. With McCoy, I feel it would have been an ideal fit.
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Agreed, which is probably why Ireland favored McCoy over Philbin. Ross must love dysfunction because he has made a habit out of pairing together management folks that aren't on the same page, in fact, even creating a schism where there wasn't one previously with the way Sparano was handled in that final year.
 
SkapePhin said:
Agreed, which is probably why Ireland favored McCoy over Philbin. Ross must love dysfunction because he has made a habit out of pairing together management folks that aren't on the same page, in fact, even creating a schism where there wasn't one previously with the way Sparano was handled in that final year.
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Agreed! Why not look at the roster and hire a HC who suits the players? Usually owners and GM'a try to appease fans by going the complete opposite, which always results in short term enjoyment, long term frustration.
 
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The question is not who MOST get the blame but WHO needs to go. THE ANSWER IS ALL OF THEM. We are 1 of 3 thus far.
 
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