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Why Edwards? We have Booker & Chambers

Maybe bacause ricky is coming back?

That was a joke. Seriously, to me, it makes sense. There are QB's and RB's to be had in the 2nd/3rd round of the draft. Now it looks like the surtain deal won't happen, so we'll have to choose.

We'll be running a 3 WR set alot, so we need another WR.

WE can't trade down, and if somebody really wants Edwards, by drafting him, we can trade him, for picks, just like trading down, to a team that wants him just didn't think we can take him.

Maybe saban feels AJ might be able to get it done?

It sounds like we don't need a feature back in our new offense.

umm maybe ricky is coming back?
 
I don't even KNOW where to start! You got EVERYTHING wrong!

Let's start where the coaches start: What kind of SYSTEM is your Offensive coordinator going to run?

Linehan's system calls for a spread offense and quickness. It ONLY works when at least one receiver's speed dictates that the defense play him over and under. With Randy Moss in Minn. that left huge gaping holes for possesion receivers to run comeback routes and for very quick backs to pop through on draws.

But it ALL basically plays off the pass. The threat that you're going to pass.

Edwards is the only BIG guy with SPEED that would make the offense Linehan wants to run work. With a guy like Edwards, even Travis Minor would have success with draws and misdirection plays and screens because the focus every game will be in stopping the perimeter speed.

Chambers played the slot in his rookie season and he did NOT spread the defense with his speed, he cut THROUGH the zones with his quickness. There's a big difference in the NFL between speed and quickness. Chambers is a natural slot receiver, he's been a dissapointment as an outside receiver. Booker is a possesion receiver that was covered man to man a lot last year. He doesn't scare anybody.

Now, if we had Edwards on one side and Booker on the other and Chambers in the slot in a Linehan system, you'd terrify defenses.

Drafting QB's before you fully evaluate what you have with Feeley and Frerrotte sounds like a Wanny manuever. Saban will trade down and get the DT and SS help he needs early and get a young QB and RB late and we'll play it from there.

Edwards would be fun to consider, but taking Edwards means we only get 2 players on day one of the draft and that's unnacceptable. We need to convert that #2 overall into 4-5 players on day one. That would be great.

As for WR I want, I think the only name we'll be talking about in a year is Mark Clayton. Yeah, he's not 6' or anything, but he's wicked fast, runs gorgeous routes and just catches EVERYTHING thrown to him. THERE'S your slot receiver who can come in and just destroy defensive schemes with blinding speed.

We do not have quality depth at DT (Chester's coming back from injury, how good will he be this year and Bowens will try once again to go but I doubt his back will let him do it, he's gonna retire) Wide Receiver, Safety, Offensive Line and Running Back (Minor is the ONLY guy that fits Linehan's system, Gordon is an unknown and Morris proved that when healthy he's a playmaker).

Saban needs to pull the trigger on SEVERAL 1st day trades so that we can get 4-5 picks in the first day and elevate the quality of our football team drammatically. Remember, Wanny's and Jimmy's high picks were really, really bad because in the end, when you REACH for a player due to need you almost always screw it up. With a lot of picks we'll have the luxury of taking the best player available up in the first and second rounds. That will lead to a much better draft.

But don't feel bad about getting it all wrong. You probably never paid that much attention to what Linehan was doing in Minn. anyway. The offense we'll be running won't look at ALL like the power running offense we had here for 7 years.

We're gonna be about speed.

Go Phins!!!

Damn good post.

I agree completely. Should we luck out and get #7 and #18 i would be thrilled with Cadillac Williams and Mark Clayton.

Clayton is a terrific football player who would fit in perfectly on our team.

If we can't trade out of the spot, I also like Edwards and would even take Mike Williams because the guy also catches everything. I know he doesn't possess 4.4 speed, but in the red zone he'll be a tough matchup for a defense.

Speaking of speed and quickness, that's one of the reasons I really like Cadillac. The guy has real quickness - maybe not the straight line speed of say Brown, but he's very quick and explosive.
 
fishypete said:
Pray tell...where and what division did Booker record all those yards...Chicago you say....you mean against the great defense's of the black and blue division...teams like Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit...all great defense's...in a pig's eye!! Booker was so great...Chicago couldn't get him traded away fast enough....when you play in a weak division...you should look at players records with both eyes open.

Let's look at 2001, shall we:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/tmstats2001.htm

Where do the teams of the NFC Central place in defense?

Chicago -- #1
Green Bay -- #5
Tampa Bay -- #8
Minnesota -- #26
Detroit Lions -- #30

Where do the teams of the AFC East place?

New England -- #6
Miami -- #11
New York -- #12
Buffalo -- #29
Indianapoolis -- #31

You want to talk about soft defenses again?

That year, the Bears passed for 3072 yards. Marty Booker was responsible for 1071. His QBs were those firebrands Shane Matthews and Jim Miller.

In 2001, the Dolphins passed for 3335 yards. Chris Chambers was responsible for 883. Except for a total of 3 attempts by Ray Lucas, the only QB for the Dolphins was Fiedler. Note that he overperformed the Chicago duo by around 10%.

You want to try again, or is that the best you can do?
 
The more the Merrier I say......... Yea we actually have 2 good WR's already, and you could makie an argument that Derrius Thompson was starting to come around also, but....... Edwards is a game changing WR, wouldn't it be nice to have a Moss, TO, Harrison type of player that opposing defenses are afraid of??? I still wish we could trade down, but edwards would be a very nice pick.......Then again, so would Brown, Benson, Or Caddilac Williams
 
And as far as receivers that have been selected in the first round doing well...very well in fact...ever hear of Larry Fitzgerald, Micheal Clayton, Roy Williams or Lee Evans.
All would have been welcomed by Dolphin fans in the last draft.
 
LostInPatsLand said:
Reply to perezferia,

While your analysis of the WR situation is illuminating, my point is that we're not going to be able to trade the #2 overall. At #2 there is realistically only a few prospects we'd pick up. One of them is Braylon Edwards. I was questioning this choice based on already having two arguably very fine receivers.

To be honest you can't truly say how good Phins current Wr's are, we know Chambers & Booker are the best of the short bunch. But to be honest Chambers has not had the Offense to show if he is a #1 type of guy, Booker is in his last season with the Phins and will end up back in Chicago reports have said. So getting Edwards is not only best option it's a need as well as a possible turnaround for the offense if both Chambers & Booker show to be worthy.
 
fishypete said:
And as far as receivers that have been selected in the first round doing well...very well in fact...ever hear of Larry Fitzgerald, Micheal Clayton, Roy Williams or Lee Evans.
All would have been welcomed by Dolphin fans in the last draft.

You know how many of those guys were top 5 picks? Fitzgerald. I think that kind of proves my point seeing as how he is the one who I believe most would say underperformed despite having a big opportunity due to injuries of his fellow WRs.
 
miamirw said:
Damn good post.

I agree completely. Should we luck out and get #7 and #18 i would be thrilled with Cadillac Williams and Mark Clayton.

Clayton is a terrific football player who would fit in perfectly on our team.

If we can't trade out of the spot, I also like Edwards and would even take Mike Williams because the guy also catches everything. I know he doesn't possess 4.4 speed, but in the red zone he'll be a tough matchup for a defense.

Speaking of speed and quickness, that's one of the reasons I really like Cadillac. The guy has real quickness - maybe not the straight line speed of say Brown, but he's very quick and explosive.

We're in complete agreement! If we got Cadillac and Mark Clayton I'd be dancing all night! With that kind of speed, defenses would have to change their approach to us. Much less man coverage and a lot less 8 and 9 man fronts. We'd always be one play away from scoring. Can we say that about Booker? Chambers? Minor? McMichael?

Our offense is ok, but add speed in the skill positions and we could be excellent, just excellent!

Thanks for the support!

(Man, I can hardly wait for Saturday. I'm losing my mind in anticipation!)
 
I just dont get how Chambers could be considered a disappointment when he has been in a run to pass ratio offense of 2:1 for 3 years. Then you add the fact that he had Fiedler throwing him the ball for most of his career. I am not trying to bash Fiedler but he was never good at throwing the deep ball and that is where Chambers generally shines. Not on possession and running west coast routes.

Booker I think has done a remarkable job and if this guy gets comfortable in the new system you should watch out. In Chicago its not like he was the primary guy. He was the only guy. He was the focal point of every defense that played Chicago so I dont see how him catching 100 passes and going to the superbowl while playing for Chicago could not be seen as this guy is capable of being a number 1 receiver.
 
And again. Like I said. Does anybody remember Philip Rivers, Eli Manning? Chargers wanted philip. They draft Eli. Giants want eli, they trade. Before the pick, where they worthy of trading?

how many people want this guy? How many people feel we'll really take them. Now, they might not trad eup now, but if we take them, how many people, will in effect, "trade up", by trading their picks for him?
 
Why not go for Edwards? Sure there could be more ideal situations, but with 1 day left, why not just go with the best player in the draft? Saban said that the best way to waste draft picks is to select players to fill CURRENT position needs rather than talent that will play far into the LONG-RUN.
 
miamirw said:
Damn good post.

I agree completely. Should we luck out and get #7 and #18 i would be thrilled with Cadillac Williams and Mark Clayton.

Clayton is a terrific football player who would fit in perfectly on our team.

If we can't trade out of the spot, I also like Edwards and would even take Mike Williams because the guy also catches everything. I know he doesn't possess 4.4 speed, but in the red zone he'll be a tough matchup for a defense.

Speaking of speed and quickness, that's one of the reasons I really like Cadillac. The guy has real quickness - maybe not the straight line speed of say Brown, but he's very quick and explosive.

Now this was a smart post man.........Especially the part about Caddilac, he is very quickand explosive, he also has great vision, good shiftyness, and breaks a lot of tackles...........Caddy and Clayton would be AWESOME too, I'd be doing backflips if this were to happen(although I like Williamson just as much as Clayton, and I still think we need a QB, so Campbell would be nice too..... My perfect draft would be a trade down with Minny, Trade Surtain to KC for a 2nd get Caddy, or Benson(preferably Caddy) at #7 at #18 get Clayton Or Williamson, and get Campbell in round 2. QB, RB, WR's of the future........YEA!!!!!!!
 
I wouldnt be upset with Edwards at #2, but hope we can get that trade with Minny to pick up Clayton at 18.
 
Fact is I dont think many people would rather Edwards over a trade down option with the Viks. But you have to consider that there is a good possibility that no trade down options present themselves and we are stuck at 2 making the pick. If that happens it just might be Edwards.

Of course Clayton and Caddy would be ideal but I just dont think that is going to happen (at least if I think it wont then I wont be disappointed if it doesnt happen).
 
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