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Gase has been under the gun lately here and Im just going to start this off with what I agree with...
  1. Two final drives of the Colts game, that was simply a bad strategy all over the board.
  2. The wildcat play in the Bills game on a crucial 3rd and 1, telegraphing a run there was simply unnecessary.
Now Fins arent scoring alot of points and it seems to be a reccuring theme since he's been here. From what I have seen, Gase wants to run a polarized scheme, I dont think thats the proper term football wise but what I mean is that he intends to spread defenses out by throwing either very short passes or very deep passes. He doesnt like the intermediate routes much.

The basic purpose of an offense is to threaten the whole field at all times and there are many ways to accomplish this. You could go vertical alot and there you go, defense has to account for the whole field, as an example.

When you look at what the team looked like at the start of the season personnel wise, it makes sense. Very different receiving options, polarizing... You've got Wilson and Grant who can catch a 5 yard pass and go all the way on any given play and you've got Parker and Still who can take it downfield... In this setting, it really doesnt matter if you spread the ball out vertically, at least not from a defense's perspective.... You still have to cover the whole field, to some extent, the same way you would if they lined up VS. a vertical offense.

What happened here is that both our threats from short passes got taken out for the season. This causes serious problems from a schematic standpoint. Who's taking those short ones to the house? Stills? Parker? Amendola?

What happened is he lost a critical part of the scheme... If Stills and Grant get IRed, its still functionnal. If Parker and Wilson get taken out, its still functionnal. Amendola is a bonus, but if he and Stills get taken out, the offense is still functionnal.

Once you lose both your short receiving threats, with that OL, you're simply ****ed, nevermind losing your starting QB for 5 games.

Now Im not saying it would've worked, and I agree he's still making questionnable calls, but Im willing to cut him some slack because, while every team deals with injuries, he basically lost the most critical ones to his offense + his starting QB for 5 games.

PS. Not everyone watches and follows Football for the same reasons Stop calling out posters you dont agree with as bad fans. If you like watching games, kick their ass and **** the draft! If you like the draft! Suck for who ever the **** you want! We're all Fins fans here!

Fins UP!
 
NBP81 said:
Gase has been under the gun lately here and Im just going to start this off with what I agree with...
  1. Two final drives of the Colts game, that was simply a bad strategy all over the board.
  2. The wildcat play in the Bills game on a crucial 3rd and 1, telegraphing a run there was simply unnecessary.
Now Fins arent scoring alot of points and it seems to be a reccuring theme since he's been here. From what I have seen, Gase wants to run a polarized scheme, I dont think thats the proper term football wise but what I mean is that he intends to spread defenses out by throwing either very short passes or very deep passes. He doesnt the intermediate routes much.

The basic purpose of an offense is to threaten the whole field at all times and there are many ways to accomplish this. You could go vertical alot and there you go, defense has to account for the whole field, as an example.

When you look at what the team looked like at the start of the season personnel wise, it makes sense. Very different receiving options, polarizing... You've got Wilson and Grant who can catch a 5 yard pass and go all the way on any given play and you've got Parker and Still who can take it downfield... In this setting, it really doesnt matter if you spread the ball out vertically, at least not from a defense's perspective.... You still have to cover the whole field, to some extent, the same way you would if they lined up VS. a vertical offense.

What happened here is that both our threats from short passes got taken out for the season. This causes serious problems from a schematic standpoint. Who's taking those short ones to the house? Stills? Parker? Amendola?

What happened is he lost a critical part of the scheme... If Stills and Grant get IRed, its still functionnal. If Parker and Wilson get taken out, its still functionnal. Amendola is a bonus, but if he and Stills get taken out, the offense is still functionnal.

Once you lose both your short receiving threats, with that OL, you're simply ****ed, nevermind losing your starting QB for 5 games.

Now Im not saying it would've worked, and I agree he's still making questionnable calls, but Im willing to cut him some slack because, while every team deals with injuries, he basically lost the most critical ones to his offense + his starting QB for 5 games.

PS. Not everyone watches and follows Football for the same reasons Stop calling out posters you dont agree with as bad fans. If you like watching games, kick their *** and **** the draft! If you like the draft! Suck for who ever the **** you want! We're all Fins fans here!

Fins UP!
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I think outside of the OL injuries, losing Wilson was the biggest blow to the offense...the kid us electric...losing Grant hurt the return game a d offense...I think what we saw at the start of the year is Gases vision for the offense...
 
NBP81 said:
Gase has been under the gun lately here and Im just going to start this off with what I agree with...
  1. Two final drives of the Colts game, that was simply a bad strategy all over the board.
  2. The wildcat play in the Bills game on a crucial 3rd and 1, telegraphing a run there was simply unnecessary.
Now Fins arent scoring alot of points and it seems to be a reccuring theme since he's been here. From what I have seen, Gase wants to run a polarized scheme, I dont think thats the proper term football wise but what I mean is that he intends to spread defenses out by throwing either very short passes or very deep passes. He doesnt like the intermediate routes much.

The basic purpose of an offense is to threaten the whole field at all times and there are many ways to accomplish this. You could go vertical alot and there you go, defense has to account for the whole field, as an example.

When you look at what the team looked like at the start of the season personnel wise, it makes sense. Very different receiving options, polarizing... You've got Wilson and Grant who can catch a 5 yard pass and go all the way on any given play and you've got Parker and Still who can take it downfield... In this setting, it really doesnt matter if you spread the ball out vertically, at least not from a defense's perspective.... You still have to cover the whole field, to some extent, the same way you would if they lined up VS. a vertical offense.

What happened here is that both our threats from short passes got taken out for the season. This causes serious problems from a schematic standpoint. Who's taking those short ones to the house? Stills? Parker? Amendola?

What happened is he lost a critical part of the scheme... If Stills and Grant get IRed, its still functionnal. If Parker and Wilson get taken out, its still functionnal. Amendola is a bonus, but if he and Stills get taken out, the offense is still functionnal.

Once you lose both your short receiving threats, with that OL, you're simply ****ed, nevermind losing your starting QB for 5 games.

Now Im not saying it would've worked, and I agree he's still making questionnable calls, but Im willing to cut him some slack because, while every team deals with injuries, he basically lost the most critical ones to his offense + his starting QB for 5 games.

PS. Not everyone watches and follows Football for the same reasons Stop calling out posters you dont agree with as bad fans. If you like watching games, kick their *** and **** the draft! If you like the draft! Suck for who ever the **** you want! We're all Fins fans here!

Fins UP!
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Ill cut you some slack too...
 
NBP81 said:
Gase has been under the gun lately here and Im just going to start this off with what I agree with...
  1. Two final drives of the Colts game, that was simply a bad strategy all over the board.
  2. The wildcat play in the Bills game on a crucial 3rd and 1, telegraphing a run there was simply unnecessary.
Now Fins arent scoring alot of points and it seems to be a reccuring theme since he's been here. From what I have seen, Gase wants to run a polarized scheme, I dont think thats the proper term football wise but what I mean is that he intends to spread defenses out by throwing either very short passes or very deep passes. He doesnt like the intermediate routes much.

The basic purpose of an offense is to threaten the whole field at all times and there are many ways to accomplish this. You could go vertical alot and there you go, defense has to account for the whole field, as an example.

When you look at what the team looked like at the start of the season personnel wise, it makes sense. Very different receiving options, polarizing... You've got Wilson and Grant who can catch a 5 yard pass and go all the way on any given play and you've got Parker and Still who can take it downfield... In this setting, it really doesnt matter if you spread the ball out vertically, at least not from a defense's perspective.... You still have to cover the whole field, to some extent, the same way you would if they lined up VS. a vertical offense.

What happened here is that both our threats from short passes got taken out for the season. This causes serious problems from a schematic standpoint. Who's taking those short ones to the house? Stills? Parker? Amendola?

What happened is he lost a critical part of the scheme... If Stills and Grant get IRed, its still functionnal. If Parker and Wilson get taken out, its still functionnal. Amendola is a bonus, but if he and Stills get taken out, the offense is still functionnal.

Once you lose both your short receiving threats, with that OL, you're simply ****ed, nevermind losing your starting QB for 5 games.

Now Im not saying it would've worked, and I agree he's still making questionnable calls, but Im willing to cut him some slack because, while every team deals with injuries, he basically lost the most critical ones to his offense + his starting QB for 5 games.

PS. Not everyone watches and follows Football for the same reasons Stop calling out posters you dont agree with as bad fans. If you like watching games, kick their *** and **** the draft! If you like the draft! Suck for who ever the **** you want! We're all Fins fans here!

Fins UP!
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The OLine losses have devastated us.

No recovering.

Not having Tannehill for 5 or 6 games (and likely still not close to 100%) is a killer as well.

Now throw in the Wilson and Grant losses. Pfft.
 
circumstances said:
The OLine losses have devastated us.

No recovering.

Not having Tannehill for 5 or 6 games (and likely still not close to 100%) is a killer as well.

Now throw in the Wilson and Grant losses. Pfft.
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Losing Wilson and Grant are the two most glaring losses for the OL... The OL now has to block for a while for any hope at a big play...
 
circumstances said:
The OLine losses have devastated us.

No recovering.

Not having Tannehill for 5 or 6 games (and likely still not close to 100%) is a killer as well.

Now throw in the Wilson and Grant losses. Pfft.
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I'm just curious when you actually assign responsibility to decisions or are there always going to be backup excuses?

Sure, the record can be argued with those, but Gases play calling has very little to do with that. If you say "well he can't call ______ because_____ is out" I would call rubbish. For one, these are paid athletes and next man up applies. For two, if those skill players are lost dial up plays that fit the second string players, don't keep calling plays for a speedster when you have a big body for example.

I was responding to someone earlier today with stats and they just started going down a checklist of excuses for the team. Looks like you just listed a few in one response.

At some point, the team has to be successful despite adversity. Not saying this is the year, but last year, this year, how many more does it take?
 
I do agree with your point. Gase is somewhat handicapped by the injuries and the poor offensive line play.

I'd like to see him utilize his talent at hand a little better though. For example, I think Drake could be used in the slot and give the team some of that big play ability that was lost due to injuries. Also, Stills should have more than 22 catches, or whatever his total is. Finally, Gesicki has to get the ball more. That would help in the middle of the field.
 
E30M3 said:
For one, these are paid athletes and next man up applies.
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Thing is, there are different type of athletes for different types of roles... With very different paychecks... What *I think Gase is trying to do* is to avoid paying huge salaries to complete athletes by looking for specific skillsets for specific roles... At least on offense. I think the vision is somewhat legit, but obviously fails when you happen to lose all players of a crucial specific skillset to injuries...

Grant and Wilson prevented DEs to pin their ears back and rush the passer, helping the OL... That in turn got Stills and Parker some time to go downfield. I mean even if Im way off, its much more complicated than "Next man up"...
 
E30M3 said:
I'm just curious when you actually assign responsibility to decisions or are there always going to be backup excuses?

Sure, the record can be argued with those, but Gases play calling has very little to do with that. If you say "well he can't call ______ because_____ is out" I would call rubbish. For one, these are paid athletes and next man up applies. For two, if those skill players are lost dial up plays that fit the second string players, don't keep calling plays for a speedster when you have a big body for example.

I was responding to someone earlier today with stats and they just started going down a checklist of excuses for the team. Looks like you just listed a few in one response.

At some point, the team has to be successful despite adversity. Not saying this is the year, but last year, this year, how many more does it take?
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You tell me which decisions you're referring to and I'll answer the question.
 
I was watching Gase's post game (or todays?) press conference. He seems so casual about everything right now. Im not sure if he's beaten down and beyond caring or just really thinks everything is ok. And hell, if it's the latter and he's right and i'm wrong, even better.
 
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