Why Isn't Tannehill Further Along?

[LikeUntoGod]

do you need a glass of cranberry juice man? seriously? What's in that post that's so offensive? the guy asked either a legit or trollish question about the difference between game film and I gave an answer. Is my answer wrong? Obviously you can still see some stuff from a TV broadcast but you can see all that and more from the "game film" the players and coaches use. I didn't say I was better than anyone for watching game film, because I don't have access to it unless it's on the internet or on that ESPN show that Jaws does which actually really good on a novice, introduction to how to break down game film level.

If you're just butt hurt because I see your hero Matt Moore as a bum than get over it. he's bad. I think it, the rest of the league thinks it and our new coaching stafff thinks it. he's a career back up and a good one at that but I don't want him to be our starter and neither should you. Pulling up these insane, obscure stats from a half season of play in an offense where he was asked to do little to nothing for his team against weak opponents as a justification for his greatness is crazy talk. 500 football is not what I hope for and thats the best Matt Moore can give us.

Wow.

Ok..how about this. Hey, do not get your panties in a bind and take a few seconds to brush the sand out of your vagina (there, two "your a girl" references).

I was not talking about you or what you said, I was speaking in general about the tone of the thread. I never said you prefer game film nor did I mention Matt Moore. When i read here I do not really pay close attention to who the poster is.

 

[hoops]

I don't question his talent, not one bit. I just see him as a loud mouth idiot who tries to lead but was one of the main reasons we sucked so bad for the 0-7 start. The money we are paying him he should be leading off season workouts even with threat of a lock out and harrassing people who refuse to stay in shape. Over paid and a not a leader IMO. I see him as a negative just like Marshall minus the off field antics. Atleast Dansby doesn't quit on his team mid game like marshall but not being ready to play for a half a season is almost as bad. He's prob gonna have a good year but he's already painted himself as a lazy loser in my mind and it's going to take a lot to change that image honestly. You think Ray Lewis would ever do what he did last year or even Zach Thomas? No, ****ing, way.

i see your point...i don't consider dnsby an idiot by any means...would have been great and he should have come in in better shape last year...early on i just thought he was nursing an injury cause he wasn't the same player...and if your not in shape against the pats with all the downs dansby plays against that o you're in trouble...and we were...burnett took a little while to jell after coming over also but around the mid way point they really picked it up...admittedly after an 0-7 start...

 

[hoops]

as for the "tone of the thread" i don't get that...ktowne told me he was gonna point out when he disagreed with me and i said bring it and for a little while there it looked like we could have a football discussion and then it turned into him telling terrible jokes and making fun of me...i got no time for that...unless the jokes are good

if you disagree with what i say from a football stand point lets talk about it...that's why i am here...not to make friends on a faceless message board...but to talk football

some of you guys got to stop with the hurt feelings stuff...it's soft...if i do something to warrant getting in trouble over trust me these guys will let me know...they always do... ha ha

but i'm trying to avoid any of that...keep it on topic...some of those guys that come in with one liners and retreat back to their holes and don't offer anything insight wise irk the tar out of me though...

 

[Dsteve]

Burnett was trash too. coouldn't tackle **** and I never understood the 3-4 scheme when we have so many dlinemen and poor LBER talent. The 4-3 will be a good switch IMO and I've been hearing dansby is actually in shape this year to start camp so he'll prob have a good year. Still left a bad taste in my mouth though. If Jones and Clemons aren't the answer at FS and SS, we're in trouble either way.

 

[CANDolphan]

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1) How is that a cry baby post? I was agreeing with him and sharing an anecdote as someone who joined this site WAY before you did and did not feel the need to post, all while having a lot to contribute. I guess people who report others for just slinging personal attacks are big ol cry babies too? Who needs discussion when we are just sling insults at each other all day! I don't find that to be productive. I don't come here for it. I can't imagine ANYONE does.
2) Re-read your post and tell me you weren't being a tad bit over the top about WELL LOOK AT SEATTLE TAKING HIM HUH. You can dish it but not take it, eh? There's a big difference between joking with someone while putting information out there and just responding to someone's post with a retarded quip about them being a ***** or a woman. Then again, you've already made mention to other posters being less of a man than you are TWICE ON THIS VERY PAGE so I shouldn't be surprised.

If you put me saying "Actually it was this" in a joking tone while correcting your mis-information on the same level as some of the crap that's done on here (even by you, mr "I GUESS YOU'RE ON YOUR PERIOD LOL. LIKE A GIRL. GET IT BECAUSE GIRLS AREN'T MEN!?"...) then I don't know what to tell you. Stuff like that adds zero to a discussion and simply clouds what might be an otherwise decent argument.

 

[Rev Kev]

Yep he did it after getting the reins of a team that had so much talent that they started 0-7. He took over the team, and gave them a reason to play, even though the coaching staff, half the players, the media, and majority of the fans had written off the season. He took a bad team and finished the season winning 6 of 9 games, while posting a QB rating of 87, 97 the last 7 games. He accomplished this with a team of players who offensive weapons were a RB who had never had a 1000 yard season and Brandon Marshall, who happened to lead the league in drops, behind a OL that had a RT who had the feet of a newborn calf, along with a HC who refused to be aggresive enough to allow room for his team to win.

Now you can sit here and talk about all the things he did wrong and how someone else could have done this or that, but the fact remains what he did accomplish was pretty amazing given the situation he was presented with. Now I am not suggesting Matt Moore is the future of the team, but he played well enough last year for me to think he deserves a long look this year. I would be very interested to see how he faired behind a decent OL with a few extra weapons. Bottom line is he is a dolphin and I will be pulling for him to do well. I will be also pulling for DG and RT, but I think Moore will start the season. And personally, I may be in the minority, but I am quite ok with him starting.

Moore was so amazing that they set our org back by two years by drafting an unready QB at #8 - Obviously everyone but a few see that Moore was playing "loose" because he had little to lose - when we had to win the game in Dallas and our D played a gem - Moore's game unfolded like the story of his career -

After the 0-7 start the D stepped up when they got their collective haeds out of their arses - the TOs and field position helped the O out immensely good for Moore for taking advantage - I would expect Garrard and Moore to duke it out neck and neck all during training camp but I won't be surprised to see either start

 

[NY8123]

While the "game film" is important, I would not totally discount film taken by the broadcast crew. Every coaching staff also uses it. While it does not often show the full picture from the end zone, what it does do (since they have 9-14 cameras) is to highlight certain players which is better film then the "game film" shows. Where game film fails is in close ups etc.

The whole thing about "I'm smarter then you" and " if you KNEW anything about football" and "I'm better because I watch "game film" and you do not is really getting old. One of the many differences about Finheaven is that the mods keep a tight ship compared to a number of smaller sites.

i know for a fact (and a number of people just mentioned it in the "lurker' thread) that a lot of people who read here are afraid of posting because they could be attacked. I know of one fan site that I've been going to for many years that is that way. I know of a lot of great posters that have left there never to return or 100s more who have and will never post because of a fear of being attacked. I've always said that the posters on this site enjoy being big fish in a little pond.

Finheaven is a good sized lake and it seems like there are some fish here that want to be BIG FISH and to make a name for themselves so they run around and attack everything they can see.

I've also thought that as FANS, it also makes us FRIENDS.

That's where the fishermen come in.

 

[JERSEYFINFAN23]

they dont want too rush him along - he starts too soon and loses the philbin Era will be considered a flop / bust ect .

 

[Wildbill3]

they dont want too rush him along - he starts too soon and loses the philbin Era will be considered a flop / bust ect .

yep. just as sparano was tied to henne, philbin is now tied to tannehill (and I don't think jeff gets another get out of jail card if tannehill fails)

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Moore was so amazing that they set our org back by two years by drafting an unready QB at #8 - Obviously everyone but a few see that Moore was playing "loose" because he had little to lose - when we had to win the game in Dallas and our D played a gem - Moore's game unfolded like the story of his career -

Really?? Not sure if this post is sarcastic or just horribly argued. So I guess Marino set our franchise back 30 years since we didn't draft a QB in the first round for 30 years?? What does Moore have to do with us drafting a QB in the first?? If Moore doesn't come in to save the day, and Henne is still under center for the rest of the season do you think we pass on RT?? Maybe if Pat Devlin comes in and starts we pass on RT??

As I said many times we needed to draft a 1st round QB, and with the way the rookie salary cap is set up it makes a lot more sense to take a chance on a QB like RT now than it would have a year ago, so I agree we needed an upgrade at QB. But so many dolphins fan are willing to throw a player under the bus because he isn't Marino. Moore had a VERY solid season last year with very little to work with.

Now I keep hearing people on here talk about the Dallas game as the game that had all these playoff implications and it caused Moore to self implode because he couldn't handle the pressure. That is absolutely the most obsurd concept I have ever heard on this site, and thats saying ALOT!!! We were 3-and freaking 7 going into that game, exactly what playoff expectations are we feeling?? LMAO are you serious?? We are 3-7 and Moore knocks us out of the playoffs by not pulling out the win on the road in Dallas on Thanksgiving?? Really, that's your arguement?? As I remember it, it takes more than the QB to win a football game. Moore led the team to a 16-10 lead going into the 4th, then after the defense gave up a 4th quarter TD, Moore led a 4th quarter drive that ended up with us RETAKING the lead, only to have the defense give up 1st down after 1st down and allowed Dallas to run out the clock and kick a game winning FG as time expired. During this game Moore was 19 of 32 for 288 yards and 1 TD, no picks for a QB rating of 99.5, but HE CHOKED and knocked us out of the playoffs?? WOW!!!

I mean you do remember before Moore "CHOKED" and knocked us outta the playoffs, this had been an 0-7 team. I mean we aren't talking about the Green Bay Packers here. We are talking about a team that couldn't win a freaking game against some pretty horrible teams. But in your eyes Moore is the cause of our bad season with his choke job vs the cowboys, that knocked us outta the playoffs where he had a 99.5 QB rating on the road on Thanksgiving?? Thats your theory?? It had nothing to do with the "GEM" that the defense played where they gave up NOT one but TWO 4th quarter leads, the 2nd being a 10 play length of the field drive that put them in FG range as time ran out. But the defense was the heros who were only attacked by the horrible choke job by Matt?? UNREAL!!

Please sir, I know you are better than that. This has to be the worst arguement in the history of football.

 

[DudeleBroski]

Really?? Not sure if this post is sarcastic or just horribly argued. So I guess Marino set our franchise back 30 years since we didn't draft a QB in the first round for 30 years?? What does Moore have to do with us drafting a QB in the first?? If Moore doesn't come in to save the day, and Henne is still under center for the rest of the season do you think we pass on RT?? Maybe if Pat Devlin comes in and starts we pass on RT??

As I said many times we needed to draft a 1st round QB, and with the way the rookie salary cap is set up it makes a lot more sense to take a chance on a QB like RT now than it would have a year ago, so I agree we needed an upgrade at QB. But so many dolphins fan are willing to throw a player under the bus because he isn't Marino. Moore had a VERY solid season last year with very little to work with.

Now I keep hearing people on here talk about the Dallas game as the game that had all these playoff implications and it caused Moore to self implode because he couldn't handle the pressure. That is absolutely the most obsurd concept I have ever heard on this site, and thats saying ALOT!!! We were 3-and freaking 7 going into that game, exactly what playoff expectations are we feeling?? LMAO are you serious?? We are 3-7 and Moore knocks us out of the playoffs by not pulling out the win on the road in Dallas on Thanksgiving?? Really, that's your arguement?? As I remember it, it takes more than the QB to win a football game. Moore led the team to a 16-10 lead going into the 4th, then after the defense gave up a 4th quarter TD, Moore led a 4th quarter drive that ended up with us RETAKING the lead, only to have the defense give up 1st down after 1st down and allowed Dallas to run out the clock and kick a game winning FG as time expired. During this game Moore was 19 of 32 for 288 yards and 1 TD, no picks for a QB rating of 99.5, but HE CHOKED and knocked us out of the playoffs?? WOW!!!

I mean you do remember before Moore "CHOKED" and knocked us outta the playoffs, this had been an 0-7 team. I mean we aren't talking about the Green Bay Packers here. We are talking about a team that couldn't win a freaking game against some pretty horrible teams. But in your eyes Moore is the cause of our bad season with his choke job vs the cowboys, that knocked us outta the playoffs where he had a 99.5 QB rating on the road on Thanksgiving?? Thats your theory?? It had nothing to do with the "GEM" that the defense played where they gave up NOT one but TWO 4th quarter leads, the 2nd being a 10 play length of the field drive that put them in FG range as time ran out. But the defense was the heros who were only attacked by the horrible choke job by Matt?? UNREAL!!

Please sir, I know you are better than that. This has to be the worst arguement in the history of football.

Matt Moore was unimpressive against Dallas. I remember fumbles including one that led to a cowboy touchdown. I also remember us driving down the field in the 4th but Moore can't hit a receiver in stride to save his life. The fact of the matter is we had a small amount of expectations after winning 3 straight. Maybe that got to moores head, or maybe he was just being his mediocre self.

 

[Nawledge]

i would argue that miami had better weapons...hell chris johnson took forever to get going...but i don't really want to argue about it cause it's not like i watched a lot of matt hasselbeck last year...i didn't...i just know that what i had seen of hassel recently and what i saw from matt moore last year i'd prefer hassel over moore...what game was it dallas where moore took some of the worst 2nd half momentum changing sacks backed up in our own end of the field that i'd seen in a while...tavaris jackson like bad sacks...not to mention the fumbles...he fumbled once a game you could set your watch to it...

Put hasselbeck behind marc colombo and see who winds up with more sacks...the fumbling aspect I agree with you on but no way would I say hasslebeck played better than moore last year.

I don't care who you know or where u went to school or any of that crap. We all watch the same game on Sunday, u don't have "game tape" and you don't need game tape to see that the o-line (most notably colombo) was to blame for the majority of the sacks. Think about the plays where presure came instantly and moore had to scramble to keep the play alive....your being too harsh on moore considering the circumstances.

 

[Nawledge]

And if you don't believe me look it up yourself hooshoops...tennessee had one of the best pass protecting o-lines in the league, top 3 (their rush blocking wasn't so good).... You need to consider the circumstances (like how the o line plays). You say moore took a lot of sacks well put hasslebeck on miami and he will take a lot of sacks.

 

[Nawledge]

And before u say you didn't say hasslebeck was better than moore because of the amounts of sacks taken...I know, u didn't...

But I didn't see you say anything that proved hasslebeck played better than moore. What about hasslebeck was better than moore? The fact that he's not on miami?

 

[Rev Kev]

Really?? Not sure if this post is sarcastic or just horribly argued. So I guess Marino set our franchise back 30 years since we didn't draft a QB in the first round for 30 years?? What does Moore have to do with us drafting a QB in the first?? If Moore doesn't come in to save the day, and Henne is still under center for the rest of the season do you think we pass on RT?? Maybe if Pat Devlin comes in and starts we pass on RT??

As I said many times we needed to draft a 1st round QB, and with the way the rookie salary cap is set up it makes a lot more sense to take a chance on a QB like RT now than it would have a year ago, so I agree we needed an upgrade at QB. But so many dolphins fan are willing to throw a player under the bus because he isn't Marino. Moore had a VERY solid season last year with very little to work with.

Now I keep hearing people on here talk about the Dallas game as the game that had all these playoff implications and it caused Moore to self implode because he couldn't handle the pressure. That is absolutely the most obsurd concept I have ever heard on this site, and thats saying ALOT!!! We were 3-and freaking 7 going into that game, exactly what playoff expectations are we feeling?? LMAO are you serious?? We are 3-7 and Moore knocks us out of the playoffs by not pulling out the win on the road in Dallas on Thanksgiving?? Really, that's your arguement?? As I remember it, it takes more than the QB to win a football game. Moore led the team to a 16-10 lead going into the 4th, then after the defense gave up a 4th quarter TD, Moore led a 4th quarter drive that ended up with us RETAKING the lead, only to have the defense give up 1st down after 1st down and allowed Dallas to run out the clock and kick a game winning FG as time expired. During this game Moore was 19 of 32 for 288 yards and 1 TD, no picks for a QB rating of 99.5, but HE CHOKED and knocked us out of the playoffs?? WOW!!!

I mean you do remember before Moore "CHOKED" and knocked us outta the playoffs, this had been an 0-7 team. I mean we aren't talking about the Green Bay Packers here. We are talking about a team that couldn't win a freaking game against some pretty horrible teams. But in your eyes Moore is the cause of our bad season with his choke job vs the cowboys, that knocked us outta the playoffs where he had a 99.5 QB rating on the road on Thanksgiving?? Thats your theory?? It had nothing to do with the "GEM" that the defense played where they gave up NOT one but TWO 4th quarter leads, the 2nd being a 10 play length of the field drive that put them in FG range as time ran out. But the defense was the heros who were only attacked by the horrible choke job by Matt?? UNREAL!!

Please sir, I know you are better than that. This has to be the worst arguement in the history of football.

Dude you are getting way too much sun if you think that is a bad argument - and what does Marino have to add or atke away from my argument - If Moore is the answer they sure as heck don't draft RT - they get Moore immediate help

There is only one reason and one reason alone that they drafted TH and that is because Moore is not the long term answer - he is great coming off the bench when little is expected and no he didn't win the QB battle over Henne either, fact is he was the back up, and he could be the back up again this year too

And fact is that Henne wasn't bad before he got knocked out of the season the team was piss poor and it was only a matter of time before they started to gel and play D like everyone thought they were capable of - and Moore was the greatest benefactor of the D stepping up - no question

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