They are consistent, efficient, have a big arm, have a quick gun, and high attempts, carry the team, and are prototypical size. They have everything we want in a #1 overall quarterback. A QB deserving of a 4-year championship window.
Why Would You "go Get" One Of These Guys?
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When you consider the number of QB prospects
coming out every year and the few that become
"franchise" (or thereabouts) NFL grade the swing
and miss % must be like 98.375%!
coming out every year and the few that become
"franchise" (or thereabouts) NFL grade the swing
and miss % must be like 98.375%!
Danny, I hear you brother but that victory over NE and the way we did it was the coolest thing the Dolphins have done in years. I'm still smiling over Gronk's attempt to tackle Drake as he sailed into the end zone! I jumped up and down like a 10 year old, it was thrilling but you're 100% correct, it only hurt out draft position.
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Neither, especially on Day One. Neither Haskins nor Locke grades out anywhere near a Manning, Luck, etc.
I'm all for selling the farm if you're getting a Manning or Luck type QB.
Build the lines then go get your QB of the future.
I'm all for selling the farm if you're getting a Manning or Luck type QB.
Build the lines then go get your QB of the future.
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For the most part, I agree with your post.
Where I disagree is that a win over NE is never meaningless. I never want to lose to any team in the AFCE and winning in the fashion they did pissed off friends of mine that are Pats fans. Nothing better than coming into work on a Monday and watching them eat crow.
Well, when it comes to that sure. It's always nice but as far as helping our team be better, that win did nothing to make us better and in fact it might hurt us from getting better.
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If Lock were to fall to 13 I’d be tempted to take him. He has the arm, the confidence, and makes some improv type plus that are highly entertaining. He has his weaknesses but so do all these QBs and whenever you draft a guy even the so-called top guy there is risks. With that being said I wouldn’t trade up for any player in this years draft, because to make any kind of major move it would cost us our #1 next year (which will most likely be a high pick in a strong draft), or a boatload of mid round picks which we need to build/fill out a legit roster of NFL players because we have a ton of holes. I really like Jerry Jeudy next year, and if we could pair Lock with Jeudy that could be dynamic. JJ is a big reason why Tua has amazing passing stats he consistently gets WIDE open and creates big plays and easy reads for Tua.
I don't think very many people at all have a clue when it comes to evaluating QB's. Some teams appear to know what their doing but if you look at how things unfolded.
NE was the luckiest team in the history of the NFL to get Tom Brady in the 6th round.
GB was also pretty lucky to get Rodgers after everyone had passed. You could say the same about Miami and Dan Marino. Doesn't take too much balls to take a shot on a QB at the end of round 1.
I see a couple evaluators say that Josh Rosen would be QB1 in this draft but yet here are the cardinals ready to trade him for a guy many have rated lower.
You trade up for a QB and he balls out, your a genius....and mostly by luck.
Now we keep hearing Miami loves Justin Herbert. I don't see the big deal. Especially when compared to Drew Lock. Look at the numbers.
It's a crap shoot with the winner looking like he knows what he's doing. Some things you just cannot measure.
NE was the luckiest team in the history of the NFL to get Tom Brady in the 6th round.
GB was also pretty lucky to get Rodgers after everyone had passed. You could say the same about Miami and Dan Marino. Doesn't take too much balls to take a shot on a QB at the end of round 1.
I see a couple evaluators say that Josh Rosen would be QB1 in this draft but yet here are the cardinals ready to trade him for a guy many have rated lower.
You trade up for a QB and he balls out, your a genius....and mostly by luck.
Now we keep hearing Miami loves Justin Herbert. I don't see the big deal. Especially when compared to Drew Lock. Look at the numbers.
It's a crap shoot with the winner looking like he knows what he's doing. Some things you just cannot measure.
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No.
Neither one of these QBs is expected to be as good as the three next year. It would be like reaching for the 4th best QB and giving up young starters to do it.
Neither one of these QBs is expected to be as good as the three next year. It would be like reaching for the 4th best QB and giving up young starters to do it.
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Hmmm, why would you "go get" one of these guys ….
A. You're high.
B. You want to destroy the next decade of Dolphins football either through mortgaging the future draft picks (Murray) or replacing one QB with a more mediocre QB.
C. You're absolutely desperate because you're not going to live more than 1 more year.
D. You believe the media hype.
E. You wouldn't.
I chose E.
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I disagree. Jake Fromm is better than Haskins at that right now, and Tua is as well. The jury is still out on Justin Herbert, but he has a chance also.
I understand the thinking here, but I couldn’t disagree with the philosophy more. The problem with waiting for the perfect QB class is that there is no way to guarantee you can get what you want. None of those QB’s may be within reach next year. There is no guarantee your favorite declares. Injuries or scandal could ruin their careers. They could show dramatic decline this season. The list of variables is way too long to bank on holding out for another year IF you have a guy that you believe in and is attainable this year.
I’m not saying to take a dramatic reach for a QB this year, but to say not to draft a guy the team believes in this year because the media says next year’s class is “stronger” is IMO a mistake. If you really believe in holding out, then Pass on this year and next year to get Trevor Lawrence.
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While I understand and agree with most of what you say here... I want to press one point. If the front office believes that Lock and Haskins are lesser candidates that the guys from next year, then you've got to wait.
Roll the dice.
Build the line that will protect your most important asset. Possibly look into obtaining (with all that cap space) a star WR so he'll have a dependable target.
Do everything possible to let the new guy succeed.
Taking Lock or Haskins... only to bypass the opportunity to give them weapons... seems like putting the cart in front of the horse to me.
Roll the dice.
Build the line that will protect your most important asset. Possibly look into obtaining (with all that cap space) a star WR so he'll have a dependable target.
Do everything possible to let the new guy succeed.
Taking Lock or Haskins... only to bypass the opportunity to give them weapons... seems like putting the cart in front of the horse to me.
QB is priority number one... you get your QB when you can... you don’t pass... see Dolphins passing on Brees, Rodgers and Ryan....if you get the QB, you can build around it in today’s in NFL... without it... you have nothing!
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The Colts had the same exact thinking and it almost cost them their QB. Early successes blinded them to the inadequacies of their oline. Luck and Tannehill had that in common with sack numbers.
Well the Colts finally wised up and decided to spend a high first on a corn fed stud. Luck and that team are beneficiaries of finally doing something to protect their franchise QB.
Outside of Murray, I do nothing in the first 2 rounds at QB. Give me DLINE and OLINE and go from there.