Will Changing Dynamics Of Miami Dolphins Receivers Be A Jolt For Devante Parker’s Career?

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  1. DKphin

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    DeVante Parker has yet to live up to his draft slot. (Allen Eyestone/The Post)

    As the Dolphins once again are hoping this year will be the year for Parker, it’s worth pointing out that as they attempted to upgrade their receiving corps in 2015, having just parted with Mike Wallace, they actually did about as well as they could in the draft.
    Six receivers were taken in the first round that year. Amari Cooper clearly was the best of them — he has been to two Pro Bowls, has 2,903 yards and 18 TDs — but he was snatched by the Raiders with the fourth overall pick.

    Parker has been the best of the rest. Consider:

    http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachp...ceivers-be-a-jolt-for-devante-parkers-career/
     
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    I'm pessimistic. He seems to be one of those guys with amazing physical skills, but the desire is missing. Not giving up on him though. Wouldn't be the only late-bloomer the NFL has seen.
     
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    Same here. All the talent in the world won't help you if you don't want to be the best. This is not college.
     
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    At this point im not betting on him but im also not betting against him.

    Some guys don't pan out becuase there given abilities just weren't up to par for NFL standards. Not the case with DVP. I've seen plenty of production out of lesser talents.

    I might not have wanted to keep Landry around but i would put his heart/desire into DVPs body and not think twice about it.
     
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    I'm not massively optimistic. I really wanted this guy coming out of college too. All that stuff though about how his preparation has been different this year (not from him obviously, that was a bizarre comment about doing stuff that's always worked) is the exact same stuff we heard last year. Makes two guys on the roster who has massively underachieved relative to their talents, in himself and Phillips. So the light has to come on for at least one of them. I'd rather it were Parker, but I'm just not optimistic as I said.
     
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    It's interesting; I was listening to Joe Rose earlier this week, and Mark Duper mentioned something about OTAs this year. Either he or Nat Moore made the observation that the WR practices were *different* this year. "Everyone is working," he said.

    Maybe there's something to this culture change thing. Here's hoping for the best.
     
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    My only hope is that he listens to someone like Amendola that has "been there, done that" and learns how to be an impact player. He has always lacked the IT FACTOR and seems to lack the drive. Hopefully RT, the WR's and the RB's are doing some work together to build the camaraderie so they can start training camp with some kind of chemistry to build from.
     
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    Like dirkey said, I'm not overly optimistic. But I want to be, I want him to prove everyone wrong and become the elite receiver he COULD be.

    I think that not forcing the ball to Landry will help open up the offense. Also, the return of RT, hopefully solid pass protection, and a TE that WILL demand attention. Parker has displayed some solid skills at points in his career, he needs to take advantage of them / put it all together, and just turn in a 1k season with ~8 TDs and I will be happy. I think its possibly, but who knows who most of the catches go to, I think we will be spreading the ball around ALOT. If I had to guess, Parker and Stills will get most of the targets, followed by the slot position / te position, and then the rb's up there as well
     
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    He's going to go off this year. Just a gut feeling. The chemistry was definitely developing with he and Tannehill before RT went down.
     
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    Parker and Harris are the kinds of first round draft picks that you are ten times better off trading out of that slot rather than drafting them. There were second round and later round players with much more upside than either of them -- that IF you are going to take three years developing, you could have signed to a four year contract, developed them for two years, and had two plus years return at a ceiling way higher than your first round quasi-deadweights.

    Anytime you draft first round and take three years to develop talent on a three year contract, getting minimal return during those three years, and then once they slightly play decent, it's time for them (3 years later) to sign a contract that's above what they ever earned as a Dolphin. You continually overpay for underplay: either you break the bank for marginal playmakers or you become a farm team for the rest of the league, continually wasting roster spots on players that are built in to give lesser returns than value given -- both in draft picks and money.

    This happens to lesser degree to overdrafted players down the board... such as spending three draft picks for a marginal WR like Carroo that no one was high on, other than Tannenbaum. Now, to justify that pick, you have to keep him on the roster for three years -- with zero contributions and a Cro-Magnon grasp of the playbook, and a talent, skill ceiling that could cramp a midget.

    Good teams figure this out.

    But those who are hoping (again) for a breakout season from Parker will probably be disappointed twice: once, when his breakout is less than a legit 1 WR, and twice, when the team has to overpay to keep him, or watch him go to another team and play slightly higher than he did as a Phin, simply because Miami took three long years to develop him without ever having a 1 WR return on a 1st round draft pick. Wash, rinse, and repeat for Harris -- a first round draft pick that is easily outplayed by a lower-level FA signing, and who is low-ceiling physical upside, with real limitations, etc.

    LD
    p.s. Just to be clear, I think that Parker is GOOD ENOUGH for a decent year, given the upgrades across the board in Miami's receivers. He's good enough to do enough that Miami needs to win. But will he ever achieve for Miami the promise of a game-breaking first round talent, who forces double teams and raises the play of everyone around him because he can't be shut down and consistently plays high level? Not holding my breath.
     
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    Yes, we can thank T-Dumb for that move. He continually makes the team a laughing stock with the deals and decisions he makes. The man is a moron and an idiot.
     
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    I don't see us doing anything this year unless he does and I'm not optimistic. If he does, it changes everything
     
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    How is Parker the best of the rest umm Stefon Diggs, Jamison Crowder, even Nelson Agholar had a good year last year. Parker is arguably the 4th best WR of his class.
     
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    I mean in all fairness a ton of WRs are taken in the first round and very few of them pan out as described.

    At least Parker has the physical traits to be one of those can't shut down wide receivers. I just don't think his play is physical enough.

    Again I'm hopeful he'll trend up this year but I'm not holding my breath either. I am more expecting him to play less than 16 games than I am for him to be a primetime #1 WR on this football team. Definitely an X-Factor though.
     
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    Proof?
     
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    It's funny people talk about how bad Parker was and that Agholar had a good year in 2017. Agholar had five more receptions than Parker while playing a bigger role in the offense as the number two wide receiver and with quarterbacks that were having career years. Parker was the third receiver in Miami and had Jay Cutler. In fact Parker was within eight receptions of Diggs and Crowder too.

    I know I'm in the minority, but if Parker doesn't have too many nagging injuries he'll be fine. I expect him to be Miami's top producing receiver know that he's given the opportunity to be that. Before he's always been a role player behind Landry and either behind or on par with Stills.
     
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    Bingo. Did doesn’t show the “mental toughness”, “fight” or football intelligence on a consistent basis.
     
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    Has Parker had an injury free year yet? I keep thinking that he has never gone through a year without getting dinged up and maybe that is whats keeping him from displaying that 'it' factor over a consistent period.
     
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    Agree. Can’t blame the QBs for his lack of football IQ - it’s almost as if the game is too fast for him. He’s slow to react to 50/50 balls, runs the wrong way (east / west) when he just needs a yard on 3rd down, doesn’t fight for the ball as hard as he could w defenders and that HAS led to INTs. It’s less about the QB and more about the lights coming on for him learning how to slow the game down and use his physical gifts.
     
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    In the last 8 games Parker and Tannehill's chemistry produced

    almost 4 catches per game average
    43 yards per game average
    and 2 tds in 8 games....Good Lord I hope this isn't considered chemistry
     
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    Agholar and Diggs also had 8 TD's last year which is equals to Parkers 3 year total. Parker is the #3 WR because he's not reliable to be anything else I'm sure the Dolphins would love for him to step up and be that #1 WR he was drafted to be.

    As far as who played a bigger role in the offense Agholar had 95 targets, Diggs had 95 targets, Crowder had 103 targets, and Parker had 96 Targets so outside of Crowder who had 7 more targets than Parker I don't see anyone who was targeted more than Parker

    And lets not pretend like Parker has the market cornered on playing with bad a bad QB he had 1 year of Cutler and 2 years of Tannehill. Diggs has played with 3 different QB's in his 3 seasons.
     
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    FH where Davon Godchaux is destined to be the GOAT, and DVP is a bust who has no desire for the game. I got to hand it to some of you, you guys are good... Davon Godchaux good.
     
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    Parker either shows up and hits it out of the park or we should move on from the guy. Tannenbaum doesn't have the power to hurt us anymore. Gase is calling the shots so don't worry about MT any more, he's just a portly figure head!
     
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    DVP was drafted #11. Godchaux was drafted #178. It's hardly surprising that the former has a little bit higher expectation on his shoulders.
     
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    We've been through this ad infinitum (on this board).

    It was terrible draft position and beyond terrible value for a player that Tannebaum somehow got duped on. Three draft picks for a player that sits on the bench and struggles to learn an NFL offense, who is essentially a low-SPARQ, 4.6 WR, who can't make up for it in game intelligence. How is anyone even arguing this at this point?

    LD
    And p.s. Are you someone making the argument that any team out there was three draft picks high on this player? Plus the overdrafting of where he was taken? C'mon, man.
     
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    Wow. This right here instantly goes to the top of the most exaggerated posts I've seen on here.
     
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    Let's try this again. Your post included "spending three draft picks for a marginal WR like Carroo that no one was high on, other than Tannenbaum." I asked for proof. You gave none. One more chance. I want proof NO ONE was high on Carroo other than baum. I missed it.
     
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    because your facts are wrong you show me when Carroo ran a 4.6 , if you have make **** up to make a point
     
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    Hes has to stay healthy or learn to play hurt thats the answer. Talent is there the rest is either a DNA issue or desire. DNA means its in his genes to get hurt more easily than other players.
     
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    The bigger question for me is do we keep him after this season regardless of how he plays? Can the Dolphins trust him by giving him a another contract based on the last four years? I say no! Parker's time has pass, I would look to draft his replacement even if he has a monster year. You just can trust this guy to remain healthy, five years is long enough.
     
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    A severely incentive laden contract not just on hitting certain numbers but games played.
     
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    That's an option for sure, but every dollar spent on one player takes away from another, plus, the Dolphins would be paying him off of potential again......time to move on.
     
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    Agree completely. I feel the same way about Phillips.

    If they have good years, and you can keep them for a reasonable price, that's one thing. If they have other teams throwing money around, let them go.
     
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    The problem with that is he wouldn't accept such terms, he would be better off getting a fresh start somewhere. There are teams that would pay him like a mid tier receiver. Even if he did take an incentive laden contract, you are probably just wasting another year.

    Maybe Ford, or Carol are ready? I realize they are not as physical as Devante.
     
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    Bingo! No matter how Phillips and Parker perform I can’t trust either with a second contract.
     
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    I see real potential for real improvement for players that many on this forum have marginalized for various reasons that mostly come down to ability and commitment. These are certainly important attributes to consider but for me, the most important attribute of all is reliability.

    When a team is not evenly balanced between the working groups (offense, defense, offensive line, running game, etc.) a players ability to shine becomes obscured. Some players latch onto the "hero" image by taking plays into their own hands; often at the expense of general play performance. When a team is more evenly balanced, everyone does better. This is "a rising tide lifts all boats" kind of thing.

    I see our current team as being better balanced than we were the last two years. If some players don't significantly improve their performance, then other players we have or can acquire will replace them. We have seen this kind of replacement taking place in the last two years. Since we now have reduced or eliminated most of our performance holes and problematic players we are currently much better balanced as a team and we can expect to see the benefits of this balance on game days.

    Some of the most important results due to better balance as a team are:

    1) The mask of limiting team play has been removed. This allows the identification of some of our more questionable players real capability (ability, commitment and reliability) and wither or not it will be enough improvement for them to be kept on the team.

    2) A competitive team in all facets of play calling (offense & defense), play implementation & performance and player replacement due to injury or performance or opportunity (as with the acquisition of Kilgore from San Francisco).
     
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    Never was a fan on the Pick. I wanted to trade down. Sorry guys but im like Bill Belichick. You dont produce in 2 years. Your gone. Well Parker had 4 years and i seen nothing but few nice catches , but no signs being elite or really good. I hoping we draft a WR next year. A true #1 with the heart to play this game. Parker plays scared and you can see it. I dont mind him sticking around to be a 3rd WR. But definitely is not what im looking for #1. He wont prove us wrong. Youll get same results. 2 good games a year. Out 3 to 6 weeks a year, and plays mediocre or terrible 5 to 8 games a year. Sorry to be a buzz kill, but i feel this this way
     
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    1. Go back and read the lengthy discussions of this from last year and the year before. There's some historical proof, which please don't expect me to do all the work finding. I've summarized it well by saying that only TBaum was that high on him.

    2. Present proof: IF multiple teams were that high on Carroo, willing to draft that highly and give up that many draft pics, Miami should easily find a trade partner for him now, right? Now that such a highly valued player at draft time has had two years to develop, lol. Should be able to get a second round pick for him, at least. So highly valued by so many teams at draft time, and two years experience now.

    Like I said before, "C'mon, man!"

    LD
    p.s. IF Miami is able to get at least a 6th round draft pick for him, come final roster cuts, I'll admit that you were right.
     
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    So you think Parker was the #3 because of his play and nothing to do with the play of Landry or Stills?
     
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    He's played three seasons. And he's missed five games total in those three years. Not 3 to 6 a year.....not sure where you got that.
     

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