Without Tannehill, We'd be the Browns (In-depth research)

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  1. Aqua4Ever04

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    Spent most of the day (don't tell my boss) compiling this information and writing this piece. It's a collection of all the snap counts from players on the OL, at TE, WR and RB from 2012-2016.

    Also, I took the numbers from each of the WRs/TEs, and compared their stats from the time with Miami, and the years after.

    Spoiler alert, everyone got worse after leaving Miami.

    https://www.lockedondolphins.com/tannehill-save/

     
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  2. J. David Wannyheimer

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    Seriously though,

    I don't know if we'd be the Browns, but to remember people claiming Davone Bess was one of the NFL's elite playmakers while simultaneously arguing that the quarterback couldn't elevate anyone was pretty funny.

    Sadly, the big takeaway from this piece is not that Ryan Tannehill is great, but more that we have surrounded him with hot garbage for most of his time here. I'm pretty sure you couldn't put together a worse OL than the 2015 unit that included Thomas, Turner, Douglas and Fox if you tried. Though in fairness to Jamil Douglas, he was a rookie who was shuffled around to 3 different OL positions he didn't play in college and is still on a roster somewhere.
     
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    The Browns the last 3 years have won 4 games, this year we won 6. If your statement was accurate we should have won between 1-2 games.
     
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    Honestly, if the usual debbies don't have the time to read this, or can't comprehend it. Don't post. There will be plenty. For some reason plenty of people on here don't want to actually analyze the player, but would rather just look at win/losses usually.

    Kudos Aqua4ever04 for posting this here, and not exclusively in vip. I hope you're ready to bang your head against the wall to defend your position. You'd think with all the "RT negativity" that poll Vaark posted would have much different results
     
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    The Browns have a boatload of picks and chitload of cap space by design. If they ever got a competent owner and coach staff they would dangerous.
     
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    Fortunately, should-be felon Jimmy Haslam is more interested in defrauding mom and pop trucker operations than running a winning football team.
     
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  7. finmann

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    Well I think it is high time this FO gets it's act together and put a decent team together.
     
  8. uk_dolfan

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    They just put a really good FO together. Dorsey is a damn good GM and they signed Wolf today.

    If we arent very careful the Browns will quickly pass us
     
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    In all honesty, it really wouldn't take much to pass the Dolphins right now. If the Browns find a capable qb they could easily win six games.
     
  10. Fin Fan in Cali

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    Brother I think they have already passed our front office with the quality of people they have hired.
     
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    Yikes. I'll Like it for the effort and the writing. As legitimacy, it flunks.

    It helps to not be so much of a fan. That's what a young writer with a specialized interest needs to know, beyond anything else. There are very few gigs covering that isolated team. There is niche online stuff but that's low ceiling.

    If you demonstrate balanced real world appraisal and break away from zealot Dolphin obsession and all the conclusions destined to fail, countless people have opportunity to be impressed and open doors for you. With this type of approach it's tap dancing on either side of silly.

    Listen to that cbrad guy. He is an amazing resource. Don't copy his methods because that's not your style. But honor his conclusions. They will be exponentially superior to subjective yours.
     
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    The article makes so much sense. I have said it before and I will say it again, if you want a model of how not to develop a young talented qb, look no further than the Miami Dolphins. For more than half his career he was surrounded by garbage skill position players, horrible coaching, and an incompetent front office. For almost all of his career he has been protected by some of the worst offensive line play the NFL has to offer, and yet people believe that Tannehill has been the biggest issue with this team.

    I am not delusional to think that Tannehill is Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, but I definitely think you can win with him if you built a good team around him. I would put him in the same tier of qb as Matt Ryan.
     
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    Oh I’m well trained in that area lol. It’s a microcosm of where we are in 2018. Everybody just arguing with the title but don’t actually read the content. They all want to be heard but don’t want to educate themselves on the topic.

    And the guy starting a post with “yikes” and then acting like he’s trying to help me somehow. Really quite rich.
     
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    I’m running out of ways to prove it. The film study isn’t enough. The raw data isn’t enough. Showing his impact on his teammates isn’t enough. That’s the problem with the esoteric game.
     
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    And they say don’t pay Landry

    Smh
     
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    Look coaching and then the QB is where the wins come from. Sure personal is up there if your superbowl caliber but if you are hoping for 10 win seasons like us then it takes the coach. Gsse might be that guy, RT might be that QB, and if RT is healthy next year and we don't win at least 10 games then we are treading water and its time to move on.
     
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    Most surprising thing in this article? Dallas Thomas not on the list for being a bottom 5 OL at any point if his Dolphins tenure. So unbelieveable it almost makes the article not credible lol.

    Excellent work OP
     
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    20yrs of not drafting a franchise defining qb is more damning.. Tannehill will never be that. Mayfield at #11, 'fire and fury'.
     
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    Don't have to read more than the title. We're a 7.5 win team with Cutler, Tannehill or Moore. Fales probably brings us closer to Browns territory. Moreover, do we win a prize for being better than the Browns?
     
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    Whats really disheartening is there isn't even anything to get excited about in the bullpen.
     
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    Maybe some of you guys should head over to the vip section and see his breakdown of the player, not just an article detailing issues
     
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    Let me guess: its all roses.
     
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    So, with Ryan we are???? What the Lions....yea, there are no parades going on mid feb. in Michigan lol
     
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    Nice article. I've been making this case anecdotally for years. Thanks for the research to back it up.
     
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    This post says all anyone needs to know about you. You didn't take time to read the article but choose to come in the thread and give your opinion with absolutely no knowledge of the subject matter? Friggin hilarious.
     
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    I don't see dolphins never being browns.they are middle of pact team that need find way to next level. We have been doing same thing for 10 yr. With thill17 or w some other qb our record is still same. So what that real tell me is we need upgrade qb...
     
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    I think the Browns are a potential dynasty in the making. 5 picks in the first 2 rounds. Dorsey, Wolf & Highsmith running things. I would love to have any of them as gm. On top of that, I love the 3 first round picks from last year as well. Laugh if you want but the browns have a bright future imo.
     
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    I think Mayfield is a massive risk. I just don't think he is a franchise qb. From what I have seen this year, he has too many brain farts.

    I think Mason Rudolph is a much better proposition. If, and I doubt he will be, but if he is there in the 2nd, he would be my pick.
     
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    without Tanehill we won 6 games. Browns have won 1 game in 2 seasons. Bad post
     
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    Something nice was bound to grow out of all the manure that a few haters love to keep spreading.
     
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    For what it’s worth, I’m of the opinion that if we keep rebooting this franchise every 3-4 years, we WILL become the Browns.
     
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    the last reboot was 2008
     
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    What do you quantify as a reboot? Change in coach? We have had several since 2008. Is it a change in GM? We have had several of those as well.
     
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    I think we had gone 1-15 and removed the roster.
     
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    Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers makes the Phins a perennial playoff team.
    It’s a QB driven league
     
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    Until fans here and the FO realize that, it's 7-9 every year. The reply is always "it's hard to find one." My answer, keep digging
     
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    with tannehill as starting qb, we have had 2 seasons in his 5 seasons as our starting qb with a worse record or the same as we had without him this year. 2012- 6-10, 2015, 5-11.

    in the other 2 seasons, 2013 and 2014, we went a mediocre 8-8, 1 which was an extremely disappointing 8-8 as we lost our final 2 games in 2013, and 2014 we finished on a high note at 8-8.

    in 2016 we were 8-5 when tannehill went down, and no one knows how that seasons would have finished with him.

    so basically with tannehill we are avg to below avg based and without him pretty much the same.

    u want to see a team that looks similar to the browns without there starting qb, look at the packers this season. start 4-1 with rodgers, he goes down, go 3-8 rest of way. that is a team missed there qb in a big way this year. the fins are mediocre at best with tannehill as they have showed us during his time with us .
     
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    I'm sure it would be much better if it said Tannehill sucks, Gase sucks, blow it up!, Without giving facts or examples....then it would be a great post right? Because just having a negative narrative without anything backing it up everyday in numerous threads and posts is much better.. Funny part is I am sure you, like a few others, did not even bother to read it. Predictable
     
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    preach on
     
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    The only reason the team didn't completely implode this season was that of Gase...that talent level is around a 2-4 win team..
     

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