Would You Be Upset If We Were Like Cleveland?

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  1. RedWhiteNBlue

    RedWhiteNBlue Well-Known Member

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    Take the years Gase has been coach and and give us Cleveland's record sitting in their draft scenario now, would you really be any more disappointed those years if you only won 1 or none? No playoffs who cares right? You would want to see some flashes of brilliance from your draft picks and know it's going to come together with some more pieces so you know you made good decisions, but at this point I'm kinda pissed we won meaningless games though.
     
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    I will never be mad for my team winning a game. No franchise should aspire to be like the Browns......ever.
     
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    Yes. It'd be pitiful to be the Browns. They've had multiple top 1st rounders in the draft over the years, and they've still managed to **** them all up.

    Their owner is a jackass, their coach sucks. It's a dumpster fire.
     
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    I'm a little jealous of their draft scenario I must admit. I wasn't really referring to their front office or owner who's is garbage yes. I guess the old cowboys would be a better example.
     
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    Cleveland hasn’t had a winning record since 2007. Since then they’ve won 38 games. That’s in TEN YEARS.

    Finheaven would’ve imploded after 2-3 years if Miami was that horrific.
     
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    Theres only a few franchises that could go on a streak like Cleveland has and not go out of business. They have arguably the most die hard fans alongside Dallas, imo us, Pittsburgh, Green Bay. Thos franchises can be a loser for 20 years and survive. Cleveland has a big history and the fans are second to none.

    If this happened to say the cardinals, chargers they simply wouldn’t have a profitable business anymore
     
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    I wish we lost all of our games in 2011 and drafted Andrew Luck. We'd be sitting pretty right now. I'm sure he'll be able to throw a regulation ball very soon.
     
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    Just the last couple years, I put that in there for a reason. They have traded down and aquired some good talent that played well the last couple years. I'm sure they can find a way to destroy the QB they draft but that's not what I'm referring to. They have an incredible draft scenrio this year.
     
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    Well yeah, everyone would love to have a plethora of picks, especially in the first few rounds. Also the top picks of the round- so of course everyone would want in on that... just not the perpetual losing
     
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    I wouldn't have an issue with a team doing what Cleveland has done *on purpose.* But they didn't.
     
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    Acquired good talent that has played well? LOL. That's why they've gone 3-13, 1-15, 0-16 over the last 3 seasons?

    It's all great and all to have a bunch of draft picks...but if you're not going to do anything with them of substance, well, that's not going to help you very much. I don't think they have a single first rounder on their team that they drafted from 2007-2015 (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

    I will say, they did hire a good GM, so maybe that puts them on a better course...but they didn't do anything with Hue Jackson, which was a mistake, and that's going to lead to more headaches down the line.

    I don't envy the Browns, I really don't. I have many relatives in NE Ohio that I regularly make fun of because of their love of the Browns.
     
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    never mind the browns.......here's what really sucks. We all can't wait for the draft and now we're two weeks away. Of course the first night is only round one but here's the bad part. The jets pick #3 and while the Bills and Pats pick after us(at the moment)the Bills and the Pats both have 2 picks in round one. So of the 4 division teams, we're the ones with the fewer resources. It's going to suck to see the jets pick way ahead of us and maybe even the bills too but if they don't move up they still get two players and so does NE
     
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    Winning or losing during the season is not related to having a good draft IMO.
     
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    It sure helps aquire real talent instead of consistent mediocrity.
     
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    Unless, of course, we watch them botch it. Now THAT would be fun.

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    The #1&#3 picks can end up being mediocre just like late round picks can be elite.
     
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    The Browns and Andrew Luck are perfect arguments against your position.

    The draft picks by themselves mean little. If we drafted Andrew Luck - who would have actually played QB for us the last few years? He has been injured and I am More doubtful about his future than Tannehill's future health wise.

    Winners manage with what they have and win when they can.
     
  18. DuderinoN703

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    They haven’t played well in 10 years. Until they prove they can possibly get to .500 they will remain a garbage franchise.
     
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    I'm not sure I would agree with a lot of you. Would it absolutely suck to not win a game all season, to have only won like 3 in 3 years and to have gone through the number of QBS they have? Absolutely, but they can't get worse. Where have we gotten with the mediocre seasons we have had. How much does it suck to make the playoffs and get embarrassed and pick midway through the draft? I hated the season when went 1-15, but I knew it had to get better. I have some friends who are Browns fans, and although they don't get overly excited for the season, they know that it will get better. If you ask NFL fans what team is the laughing stock of the NFL, a lot of them will say the Dolphins, not the Browns. Other than having a decent coach, I think Cleveland will finish better than us this year.
     
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    Who's to say that his shoulder would have gotten dinged up as bad in Miami as it did in Indy?
     
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    There last few first round picks are very good players. Sheldon makes a big diff on a dline, Coleman stays healthy he is a playmaker and Garrett is the real deal.
     
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    I know this hard to believe but indi online is garbage compared to ours over the last half decade. Luck would most cerainly be in better health.
     
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    Very true but the % of who is a starter and continues to be one in round 1 is huge compared to the 2nd round and on. When you take into account who becomes pro bowlers or play at a high level for at least 4 years it is even bigger around 67% most of that in the first half of round 1. So it most certainly helps. Everyone wants value or a stud in later rounds it's what really helps you succeed but most Super Stars are drafted early.
     
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    Danny Shelton is no longer with the Browns.
     
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    Ya he's on the Patriots because they know how good he is. Graded our very well the last 2 years and makes a difference in how teams approach the D. A top pick in round 1by cleveland being successful. Not mediocrity.
     
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    I agree with your assessment of Shelton. I do NOT agree with the trade Cleveland made. Shelton AND a 2018 5th for a 2019 third? I know they have another player like him at DT, but geez, man. That doesn't give me a lot of confidence in their FO.
     
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    Look at it this way: From 2012-2017, the Browns had ELEVEN first-round picks.

    There are four of those picks still on the Browns roster, and none from earlier than 2016.

    That is an astounding level of incompetence.
     
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    And even worse it was to the pats....uhh.
     
  29. DuderinoN703

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    Why is Miami the laughingstock of the NFL?
     
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    Supposedly they now finally have a good GM so they won’t make the same mistakes.

    Means dick until proven otherwise.
     
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    I would only be ok if we were like Cleveland if 1 of 2 things happened. 1. We were guaranteed to win a super bowl within 10 years or 2. we were guaranteed to draft a HOF talent at QB. Otherwise i rather go 8-8 over 0-16.
     
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    I live in the present not the past, especially when it comes to the dolphins in recent years. So since the past decade for this team has practically been a lost decade to me, would I take more losses over those worthless seasons to have a roster with more talent, younger talent, more draft picks, and more cap space today. Yes I would.


    Of course it doesn't work like that. In the real world we will go out and win between 4 and 9 games a season for the majority of the next decade and then trade away draft picks while drafting busts with the ones we keep.
     
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    I wouldn’t want to go through what they’ve went through in the past but I really like what they’ve got going now. Dorsey will turn that franchise around quick.
     
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    Ok but let's stop talking about the Browns office and more about the draft scenario they have. It is fricking fantastic and surely our organization couldn't screw it up.
     
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    You seem to understand why their draft situation is as solid as it is right now. The question is, would you give a damn after winning 3.8 games a year in the last 10 years?

    Would apathy not have set in at some point for you?
     
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    everything "they've got going now" is predicated on hitting on the franchise QB.

    if that fails (and it will, they'll take the wrong guy) they are stuck tyrod tayloring it. with:

    no joe thomas (retired).

    an overpaid landry (16 million) who is a free agent after this season.

    an overpaid carlos hyde (3 year, $15,250,000, including a $3,500,000 signing bonus, $8,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,083,333).

    honestly, i don't like any of their moves. of course it won't matter if they select Darnold or Rosen or Allen or Mayfield, and that QB becomes a franchise QB.

    i will take my hat off to them.

    but if they miss on the QB, all their (crappy) moves will be for naught.
     
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    Yes and no,
    Tyrods not bad by any means really and Hyde I wouldn’t call overpaid, they also duke johnson who is or was underutilized. Mayfield the best of the bunch and no I don’t think they will draft him I think the jets do unfortunately. I wish we could draft him so they can’t. Their WR core will produce very well with Gordon Coleman and Landry. Yes Landry got to much but it’s a one year deal. They will probably grab chub or Nelson at 4. Losing joe changes their draft plans significantly. I find it difficult for even them to **** it up this year. Still I’d take their record over the past 3 seasons to be where they are in this years draft. **** they could trade out of 4 with buffalo or New England and get even more picks in the first.
     
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    10 years of it I would probably use my jersey as a grease rag. 3 years though to help my rebuild instead of being delusional and mediocre I could handle. I know that’s not how it works but dam they are set up nice.
     
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    The Browns could draft Saquan and Chubb and get their future quarterback later in Lauletta, Jackson or Falk. They have Tyrod for a year or two who could mentor a Lamar Jackson project. To me that’s a nice fit without having to redesign your entire offense later. The Browns don’t need a QB this year and are coming off a season without a win. They can really build the team and win now with Taylor and quality players who aren’t quarterbacks early. That would change the draft order a bit and give the Dolphins a better shot at trading down if Allen or one of the quarterbacks we don’t want is there. I would love the Cardinals spot and their second too.
     
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    Miami is really the only team going backwards by leaps and bounds. All the bottom feeding teams are trending up while average teams stay average. The Browns are, for once, headed in a positive direction. Miami still hasn't figured it out since Saban left.
     
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