Yahoo says Harbaugh to Fins/Michigan because players are disgruntled

[jvw]

Almost as silly as that stretch armstrong analogy (yeah I went there )

Let's have some fun with this; here's some names that probably wont ring a bell for the average fan as time has passed but they all have a common factor in being head coaches that lost the Super Bowl. There's also a good chance I went back too far starting with the '80's but what the heck.

'81 Forrest Gregg, Bengals
'85 Raymond Berry, Patriots
'94 Bobby Ross, Chargers
'01 Mike Martz, Rams
'02 Bill Callahan
'12 Jim Harbaugh

Maybe recognizable, maybe not, point is no one cares about the losing team. Everyone remembers the Champion (the exception, of course, being Bill Belichick who choked on 18-done or possibly Mark Levy who lost four straight)

And didn't they all go to another team and bomb miserably.....good list, much better than mine, I put him in with hall of famers which is not realistic at this point in his career ....

 

[Austin Tatious]

This thread is too long and boring to go through all the posts. But are people actually trying to make the case that Jim Harbaugh is not an elite coach? If you want to be taken seriously, you can't take such an absurd position.

 

[GoonBoss]

This thread is too long and boring to go through all the posts. But are people actually trying to make the case that Jim Harbaugh is not an elite coach? If you want to be taken seriously, you can't take such an absurd position.

No matter how hot she is, someone, somewhere, is sick and tired of her bull****.

 

[Sirspud]

I don't really accept the argument that losing the SB means Harbaugh doesn't get credit for being a great coach. Let me get this straight - instead of getting obviously held and there being a terrible no-call on the last play of the game (probably because it made a great story for Ray Lewis to win the SB) Crabtree catches the pass, and Harbaugh goes from being a bad coach to a good one?

I don't have any love for Harbaugh and really, really don't want him to be here, mainly because I know from Saban how superstar coaches can work out, but please give me a break.

 

[LouPhinFan]

Following the logic of this thread Dan Marino is not a good quarterback because he didn't win a Superbowl. I'm speechless...

 

[Tyrion]

 

[Fin Thirteen]

If I was hiring a Harbaugh tomorrow, it'd be John.

 

[nyjunc]

Pete Carroll teams before Russel Wilson were defense only and frankly not a very good football teams, since Russell they are 3-2 with two blow outs against the 49ers....Rex has done so much with so little it amazes me, the job he did last yr in winning 8 games with no wide receivers and a rookie QB who turned the ball over regularly all he had on offense was a good running game that performance was worthy of coach of the yr IMO....the defense was stout and he used it to create turnovers and get good field position....if Woody got out of the way and let the GM go buy some real groceries the Jets would be contending for championships....the Jets problems are Woody and Woody alone....

so now we are changing things to include Russell Wilson? is it Wilson or Carroll?

since Russell they are 2-2 in reg season and 1-0 in postseason in a game that went down to the final play.

I agree w/ Rex, I think he is incredibly underrated but I believe Harbaugh is the best in the league.

Woody doesn't get involved in football decisions.

In a league where coaches like Dennis Allen filter in and out in a little over 2 years, Rex is under .500 (actually .444) in his last 50 games with no divisional championships... and is getting a free ride from the owner.

and did his best coaching job the last 2 full seasons. some people can see beyond the #s.

I'm impressed with a coach who consistently wins close games especially in the SB, I don't see that as a negative....his teams victory against the fastest show on turf as an underdog alone makes him a great coach..Harbaugh ends up on the wrong side of the close games ...To think Harbaugh is a better coach than Belichick after his first 3 yrs on the job is insane.....lets take a look at there records after Harbaugh has had 10 yrs in the league before you can convince me of that....The defense is what made San Fran those 3 yrs, giving his QB good feild position and more shots to score and add that with an excellent running game will do wonders in QB development...Again Harbaugh is a good coach but he is not the best coach in the league right now he doesn't crack my top 5 right now....A great coach would have a ring if they had the team he had for those 3 yrs, there's no denying that


To me Belicheck best attribute is on the defensive side of the ball, taking away from the offense what they must have to win....he makes a team beat him with their 3rd and 4th option....then he takes his Defensive knowledge and prepares his offense on how to attack a Defensive......not only is he a great HC but he is walking around with 2 SB rings from when he was a DC.....I don't think Harbaugh could be a good coordinator....I think what he does well is facilitate...put good people around him and lets them do their job, if he leaves San Fran he better take his OC and DC with him.....

2011 the Cardinals had 8 wins they were in 2nd place and they split wtih San Fran...that division sucked

BB was made as a HC by Tom Brady, w/o him he's a DC somewhere.

Almost as silly as that stretch armstrong analogy (yeah I went there )

Let's have some fun with this; here's some names that probably wont ring a bell for the average fan as time has passed but they all have a common factor in being head coaches that lost the Super Bowl. There's also a good chance I went back too far starting with the '80's but what the heck.

'81 Forrest Gregg, Bengals
'85 Raymond Berry, Patriots
'94 Bobby Ross, Chargers
'01 Mike Martz, Rams
'02 Bill Callahan
'12 Jim Harbaugh

Maybe recognizable, maybe not, point is no one cares about the losing team. Everyone remembers the Champion (the exception, of course, being Bill Belichick who choked on 18-done or possibly Mark Levy who lost four straight)

Gregg did a good job
Berry did a good job but AFC was very weak at the time
Ross was a good coacj
Martz inherited a potential dynasty and screwed it up
Callahan inherited a SB caliber team

Harbaugh is not like any of those guys, which one of them made it to a SB and 3 title games their first 3 years w/ a franchise that hadn't made postseason in 9 years before he got there?

 

[jvw]

so now we are changing things to include Russell Wilson? is it Wilson or Carroll?

since Russell they are 2-2 in reg season and 1-0 in postseason in a game that went down to the final play.

I agree w/ Rex, I think he is incredibly underrated but I believe Harbaugh is the best in the league.

Woody doesn't get involved in football decisions.



and did his best coaching job the last 2 full seasons. some people can see beyond the #s.



BB was made as a HC by Tom Brady, w/o him he's a DC somewhere

It's Carroll but I want it to be talent vs talent....not fair when one team is much better than the other....

Woody is a meddler, look how he treats Rex and his contract situation smh... that is why Parcels and his crew headed for the hills shortly after Woody bought the team....They knew this guy wouldn't spend much time around the team but would tell you how much to pay so and so and he would have to sign off on any big FA acquisitions....we have the same issue here with Ross, fans don't think he is calling the shots but he is....

BB won 11 games when Brady went down in game one and he did it not only with a bull**** QB but made QB look like a franchise QB..........that's like saying Bill Walsh is only a great OC without Joe Montana Can't separate them, they're both great.....

I hope Rex gets fired, he was the one that Parcels would have hired if he hadn't already promised it to Tony......I'll be on board for that hire....

 

[jvw]

Following the logic of this thread Dan Marino is not a good quarterback because he didn't win a Superbowl. I'm speechless...

No one is saying that....well I'm not saying that....Dan played his position at a very high level for over 15 yrs all I am saying is the book is still out on Harbaugh and I don't think he is the savior that everyone is thinks he is....he has coached well but he left at least one SB on the table.....you don't get many chances to win a SB...how many more does he have left.....It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't make the playoffs this yr....That's a tough division

 

[nyjunc]

It's Carroll but I want it to be talent vs talent....not fair when one team is much better than the other....

Woody is a meddler, look how he treats Rex and his contract situation smh... that is why Parcels and his crew headed for the hills shortly after Woody bought the team....They knew this guy wouldn't spend much time around the team but would tell you how much to pay so and so and he would have to sign off on any big FA acquisitions....we have the same issue here with Ross, fans don't think he is calling the shots but he is....

BB won 11 games when Brady went down in game one and he did it not only with a bull**** QB but made QB look like a franchise QB..........that's like saying Bill Walsh is only a great OC without Joe Montana Can't separate them, they're both great.....

I hope Rex gets fired, he was the one that Parcels would have hired if he hadn't already promised it to Tony......I'll be on board for that hire....

Parcells had no idea what Woody would be about, he ahs said that if he knew now what he didn't then he would have stayed. Woody isn't an owner that meddles.

Ross is completely different. Under Woody we have had much more success than pre-Woody, that's not the case w/ Ross and Miami.

 

[JTC111]

I hope Rex gets fired, he was the one that Parcels would have hired if he hadn't already promised it to Tony......I'll be on board for that hire....

By your logic, wouldn't that be a bad hire because Rex LOST two league championship games? You've spent a couple of days pointing out that Harbaugh isn't that good because he fell short, but Harbaugh has gotten further than Rex has.

 

[JTC111]

Ross is completely different. Under Woody we have had much more success than pre-Woody, that's not the case w/ Ross and Miami.

What the hell are you talking about? Under Ross we have perfected mediocrity. And thanks to his football accumen, we have a gum wrapper-free locker room for the first time in living memory.

 

[jvw]

Parcells had no idea what Woody would be about, he ahs said that if he knew now what he didn't then he would have stayed. Woody isn't an owner that meddles.

Ross is completely different. Under Woody we have had much more success than pre-Woody, that's not the case w/ Ross and Miami.

Parcels is trying to be an ambassador to the game now, he will not say anything negative about any owner especially when he was still up for the HOF....the only reason you have done better under Woody is because of Rex, not may coaches could have survived that **** roster he's been saddled with....

 

[jvw]

By your logic, wouldn't that be a bad hire because Rex LOST two league championship games? You've spent a couple of days pointing out that Harbaugh isn't that good because he fell short, but Harbaugh has gotten further than Rex has.

Rex should have never been in those Championship games that's what makes it different.....that roster he had was suspect, that was a 9-7 team that got to those championship games...

My issue with Harbaugh is he had a very good team going on 4 yrs now and has won one Championship game.....Pete Carroll has had a very good team for 1 yr and has SB, Sean Payton has had 1 very good team and has a SB win....its no so much he lost a championship game it's that he lost them with very good teams 2x