Coaches? You think Frank Beamer can't capitalize on talent? The first time he had a great player they went to the national title game. The only reason that Va Tech is ever good is because of Frank Beamer.
Bobby Bowden - I mean what can you say about the guy. He's won national titles, we all know about the career wins total, and he's always had great teams, except for the past couple years. He won more national titles than Saban, Miles, or Spurrier ever did, and just as many as Meyer (although he inherited a ton of talent, just like Miles). Richt hasn't really even done much either, except continue to produce teams that underachieve.
Butch Davis built Miami up after probation, and he's slowly building UNC up as well.
The only coach I think that argument actually works for is the Bowden that was just at Clemson. I don't think Virginia's ever had a great deal of talent on their team, but it's a credit to Al Groh for still developing a few great players out there.
Randy Shannon and Paul Johnson haven't been at their programs long enough to judge. Given the enormous level of success Randy Shannon has had at every other thing he's ever done with his life, it's hard to imagine he's going to struggle now. The talent he's brought in is incredible, and the fact that he's already developed competing teams is a credit to him.
And even after all this debate about coaches and what not, the issue of the ACC teams beating the SEC teams is still not being discussed.
With all due respect to Bobby Bowden....because I love the guy....(he's a Bama guy too)....Joe Paterno's accomplishments are much more impressive to me...
The ACC was a VERY weak conference for a long time....I think Bowden won like 14 or 14 CONSECUTIVE conference titles.....he had absolutely no competition in the ACC for the longest....there was FSU and nobody else...
No wonder the ACC wanted to bring in the likes of BC, VT, and Miami....because the conference had been a joke for too long...
The Big 10 has traditionally always been a tough conference....and Paterno's accomplishments he's achieved throughout his career, he's done without the luxury of having the hotbed of recruiting talent (Florida) right there at his disposal like Bowden did...
Bowden could simply stockpile talent....Paterno couldn't....and now that the playing field is more even....Bowden can't dominate like he used to....not even close...while Paterno STILL runs a class A program...and STILL wins...
You want to say Randy Shannon and Paul Johnson haven't been at their programs long enough to judge...but then throw out Les Miles, Urban Meyer, and Nick Saban as if they've been at their programs for 30 years...lol...Spurrier probably could've won at least 1 more NC at Florida if he hadn't taken a shot at the NFL....
I'll tell ya this much though.....I'd take Paul Johnson over Randy Shannon 7 days a week and twice on Saturdays.....he's a better coach....
...and as Namor pointed out....don't ever bring up National Championships and Miami vs. Alabama in the same sentence like that again.....that's like comparing a canoe to an air craft carrier....
With all due respect to Bobby Bowden....because I love the guy....(he's a Bama guy too)....Joe Paterno's accomplishments are much more impressive to me...
The ACC was a VERY weak conference for a long time....I think Bowden won like 14 or 14 CONSECUTIVE conference titles.....he had absolutely no competition in the ACC for the longest....there was FSU and nobody else...
No wonder the ACC wanted to bring in the likes of BC, VT, and Miami....because the conference had been a joke for too long...
The Big 10 has traditionally always been a tough conference....and Paterno's accomplishments he's achieved throughout his career, he's done without the luxury of having the hotbed of recruiting talent (Florida) right there at his disposal like Bowden did...
Bowden could simply stockpile talent....Paterno couldn't....and now that the playing field is more even....Bowden can't dominate like he used to....not even close...while Paterno STILL runs a class A program...and STILL wins...
You want to say Randy Shannon and Paul Johnson haven't been at their programs long enough to judge...but then throw out Les Miles, Urban Meyer, and Nick Saban as if they've been at their programs for 30 years...lol...Spurrier probably could've won at least 1 more NC at Florida if he hadn't taken a shot at the NFL....
I'll tell ya this much though.....I'd take Paul Johnson over Randy Shannon 7 days a week and twice on Saturdays.....he's a better coach....
...and as Namor pointed out....don't ever bring up National Championships and Miami vs. Alabama in the same sentence like that again.....that's like comparing a canoe to an air craft carrier....
With all due respect to Bobby Bowden....because I love the guy....(he's a Bama guy too)....Joe Paterno's accomplishments are much more impressive to me...
The ACC was a VERY weak conference for a long time....I think Bowden won like 14 or 15 CONSECUTIVE conference titles.....he had absolutely no competition in the ACC for the longest....there was FSU and nobody else...
No wonder the ACC wanted to bring in the likes of BC, VT, and Miami....because the conference had been a joke for too long...
The Big 10 has traditionally always been a tough conference....and Paterno's accomplishments he's achieved throughout his career, he's done without the luxury of having the hotbed of recruiting talent (Florida) right there at his disposal like Bowden did...
Bowden could simply stockpile talent....Paterno couldn't....and now that the playing field is more even....Bowden can't dominate like he used to....not even close...while Paterno STILL runs a class A program...and STILL wins...
You want to say Randy Shannon and Paul Johnson haven't been at their programs long enough to judge...but then throw out Les Miles, Urban Meyer, and Nick Saban as if they've been at their programs for 30 years...lol...Spurrier probably could've won at least 1 more NC at Florida if he hadn't taken a shot at the NFL....
I'll tell ya this much though.....I'd take Paul Johnson over Randy Shannon 7 days a week and twice on Saturdays.....he's a better coach....
...and as Namor pointed out....don't ever bring up National Championships and Miami vs. Alabama in the same sentence like that again.....that's like comparing a canoe to an air craft carrier....
You can't exclude games to prove (top to bottom depth)
PERIOD.
It's meaningless if I even look at it your way.Even if your right it's
just one year.
"That's my point, the ACC continually beats the SEC in those things they call football games, but for some reason, the SEC is so much better. I guess winning the actual games means nothing"
This was your quote...Wheres the continually'?
Just back it up three years..Bama won it in 78,79 ...Ga won in 80
another SEC team.
Bowden or Miami never dominated a Big Time Conferance (ACC please)
(the Big Least) like the Bear.
Both Fla. St and Miami were offered invatations to join the SEC when
S.C. and Ark joined,but they declined because they knew their chances
for a national championship would be greatly hampered.
Bet they would like that CBS/ESPN money now.
Hell,Miami can't even fill up a stadium for their games.
Bowden has 2 titles..one he didn't deserve...Nebraska won that game,
weird out of the blue illegal block on a touchdown.
The only real one he won was against another ACC school.
First on the national title thing - since 1980, Miami has 5 national titles, and Bama has 1. If you want to count those championships when there was like 5 teams in college football, then be my guest. Miami hasn't been around as long as Alabama, but when we started winning titles, Alabama stopped.
Funny about Paterno and Bowden. Yeah Bowden's been down for a few years, but it's nothing like Paterno at Penn State. They disappear for years at a time, and it's very easy to say Paterno is better than Bowden now, because Bowden is slumping for the first time in, uh ever, and Paterno has had nominal success. I think both are very impressive coaches, but Paterno NEVER dominated the college football landscape like Bowden did in the 90s.
I just hope carolina can have decent football team for once in my lifetime