Best RB in the AFCE

[nyjunc]

BS. He proved it last season. You like to knock Brown because he "hasn't carried the load". Take a look at Jones' carries the last three years.

The last 2 years he has 314 and 296 while Ronnie's career high is 241. Ronnie has barely a thousand yard season while Jones has been over 1200 yds the past 2 years- that's a big difference.

Every year, there was another back or two sharing the load

yet he still got mroe than Ronnie ever has and again did you notice how when Ronnie's carries go up his YPC has gone down? W/ Jones as his carries go up his YPC goes up.

In 2005 it was Benson and and Peterson (143 carries combined), In 2006 it was Benson (157 carries). You were quick to knock Brown in 2005 when Williams had 168 carries. Where is the concern over Jones being able to "carry the load".

Jones has carried the load, he has been the primary back and they have given some carries to other backs. it wasn't a split situation like '05 w/ Miami. Ronnie only had 39 more carries in '05, last year Jones had 139 more carries than benson- heck that 139 differnece is almost as many carries as Ricky had in 2005.

Do you read the crap you write? DID YOU NOTICE THAT JONES' YPC DROPPED BY .2 YPC LAST YEAR? You're hillarious.

Jones carries went down, Ronnie's went up.

No. I prefer to look at his whole body of work. And that shows me a back that averages 3.9 YPC.

OK then. You seeem to think Jones doesn't carry the load then we can compare the 2 backs in the last 2 years:

Jones: 610 rushes, 2545 yds, 4.2 YPC, 15 TDs, 16 rushes of 20+ yds, 122 1st downs

Brown: 448 rushes, 1915 yds, 4.3 YPC, 9 TDs, 11 rushes of 20+ yds, 90 1st downs


Which back has been better? the only catageory Ronnie leads in is YPC where he has a .1 lead on Jones.

Jones is a decent back. He is not the same caliber as Brown.

yep, every team would rather have the back that produces less yards, less TDs, less big runs, less 1st downs. How could I possibly think Thomas Jones is in the same class as the great Ronnie Brown.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

The last 2 years he has 314 and 296 while Ronnie's career high is 241. Ronnie has barely a thousand yard season while Jones has been over 1200 yds the past 2 years- that's a big difference.



yet he still got mroe than Ronnie ever has and again did you notice how when Ronnie's carries go up his YPC has gone down? W/ Jones as his carries go up his YPC goes up.





Jones has carried the load, he has been the primary back and they have given some carries to other backs. it wasn't a split situation like '05 w/ Miami. Ronnie only had 39 more carries in '05, last year Jones had 139 more carries than benson- heck that 139 differnece is almost as many carries as Ricky had in 2005.



Jones carries went down, Ronnie's went up.



OK then. You seeem to think Jones doesn't carry the load then we can compare the 2 backs in the last 2 years:

Jones: 610 rushes, 2545 yds, 4.2 YPC, 15 TDs, 16 rushes of 20+ yds, 122 1st downs

Brown: 448 rushes, 1915 yds, 4.3 YPC, 9 TDs, 11 rushes of 20+ yds, 90 1st downs


Which back has been better? the only catageory Ronnie leads in is YPC where he has a .1 lead on Jones.



yep, every team would rather have the back that produces less yards, less TDs, less big runs, less 1st downs. How could I possibly think Thomas Jones is in the same class as the great Ronnie Brown.

And all the "great backs" get passed around the league like a cheap whore....


Ronnie Brown missed 3 1/2 games due to a broken hand. In the 12.5 games that he played, he averaged more carries, a higher YPC, more rushing yards per game, more receptions, more receiving yards, higher yards per reception, and more TDs per game than Jones. Sure, Jones was more productive. Dream on.

Sammy Morris had 92 carries last season. 82 of those came when Brown was hurt. When Brown was playing, he got a much higher % of his team's carries than Jones. From the first game of the season, Jones was splitting carries with Benson. By the end of the season, Benson was getting MORE carries than Jones. Face it, Jones was available because he had lost his job to Benson.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

OK then. You seeem to think Jones doesn't carry the load then we can compare the 2 backs in the last 2 years:

You want to talk about carrying the load? Here are the only stats you need to look at:

As their carries go up in a game, Jones' production steadily drops, Brown's goes way up and then drops off a bit, but stays very high. Brown wears the other team down. Jones gets worn down.

Jones:
ATTEMPTS 1-THROUGH-10 0 159 661 4.2 26 1 31
ATTEMPTS 11-THROUGH-20 0 111 451 4.1 30 4 23
ATTEMPTS 21-THROUGH-30 0 26 98 3.8 17 1 7

Brown:
ATTEMPTS 1-THROUGH-10 0 130 471 3.6 18 3 27
ATTEMPTS 11-THROUGH-20 0 88 434 4.9 47 1 16
ATTEMPTS 21-THROUGH-30 0 23 103 4.5 27 1 6

 

[nyjunc]

Ronnie Brown missed 3 1/2 games due to a broken hand. In the 12.5 games that he played, he averaged more carries, a higher YPC, more rushing yards per game, more receptions, more receiving yards, higher yards per reception, and more TDs per game than Jones. Sure, Jones was more productive. Dream on.

Part of being a big time back is staying healthy- what good does it do to have a player on the sideline?

Sammy Morris had 92 carries last season. 82 of those came when Brown was hurt. When Brown was playing, he got a much higher % of his team's carries than Jones. From the first game of the season, Jones was splitting carries with Benson. By the end of the season, Benson was getting MORE carries than Jones. Face it, Jones was available because he had lost his job to Benson.

of note, Morris averaged 4.3 YPC while brown averaged 4.2.

jones was avialble b/c Chi couldn't afford to keep both backs and b/c they spent a high 1st rounder on benson they kept him. jones did not lose his job, Jones was the better back and that was proven in january-february when jones averaged 5.5 YPC and scored 4 Tds while benson averaged 2.7 and scored once. jones carried a bad offense to the SB and kept chi in it for a while.

 

[PYRO]

This seems more of an arguementitive forum then anything else but of note...I agree with nyjunc.

Brown isn't a big play back like LT or Westbrook. he may have better tpc by a little little little bit but who cares. Good so in short yardage situations give Brown the ball so we can move the ball slowly down the field. Points are needed in an Offence that only averaged 16.6 points a game and Brown needs to help us get points not an extra .1 ypc.

 

[PYRO]

This seems more of an arguementitive forum then anything else but of note...I agree with nyjunc.


Brown isn't a big play back like LT or Westbrook. he may have better ypc by a little little little bit but who cares. Good so in short yardage situations give Brown the ball so we can move the ball slowly down the field. Points are needed in an Offence that only averaged 16.6 points a game and Brown needs to help us get points not an extra .1 ypc.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

This seems more of an arguementitive forum then anything else but of note...I agree with nyjunc.

Brown isn't a big play back like LT or Westbrook. he may have better tpc by a little little little bit but who cares. Good so in short yardage situations give Brown the ball so we can move the ball slowly down the field. Points are needed in an Offence that only averaged 16.6 points a game and Brown needs to help us get points not an extra .1 ypc.

And Jones had ONE more TD in 3.5 games on a better team. Brown is just as explosive as Jones and is bigger, is a better receiver, and is a better blocker. Brown's biggest problem was his OC.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Part of being a big time back is staying healthy- what good does it do to have a player on the sideline?

You might want to check the number of times Jones has missed games...

of note, Morris averaged 4.3 YPC while brown averaged 4.2.

Miami's OL got better as the season went on. Nearly all of Morris' carries were late in the season. Brown's average YPC was much higher in the second half of the season.

jones was avialble b/c Chi couldn't afford to keep both backs and b/c they spent a high 1st rounder on benson they kept him. jones did not lose his job, Jones was the better back and that was proven in january-february when jones averaged 5.5 YPC and scored 4 Tds while benson averaged 2.7 and scored once. jones carried a bad offense to the SB and kept chi in it for a while.

Funny how Chicago was shifting carries to Benson then.... Apparently the Bears don't agree with you. They chose to spend a high pick on Benson because Jones isn't as good as you hope.

None of that explains why the Cardinals and Bucs didn't want him either.

 

[nyjunc]

You might want to check the number of times Jones has missed games...

he has missed 3 games since 2003.

Miami's OL got better as the season went on. Nearly all of Morris' carries were late in the season. Brown's average YPC was much higher in the second half of the season.

oh that must be it.

His YPC through the 1st half of the year was 4.1, in the 2nd half(he played just 5 games) it was 4.3 and that was raised w/ the last 2 games after injury, the 3 games before that his YPC was 3.2. he got some rest for a few games and came back in meaningless games and has 2 very good games to end the season to raise his YPC.

Funny how Chicago was shifting carries to Benson then.... Apparently the Bears don't agree with you.

That had little to do w/ Chi having everything clinched in the NFC, right? he was averaging 8 carries a game through the first 12 games then averaged 15 the last 4 weeks after things were wrapped up. In the playoffs benson had 38 carries in 3 games BUT he had 24 in the blowout of NO. the other 2 games he had 7 carries per and he averaged just 2.7 per in postseason while Jones averaged 5.5.

They chose to spend a high pick on Benson because Jones isn't as good as you hope.

they chose to spend that high pick b/c thye didn't know what they had in Jones as they had just acquired him but in Chi he blossomed into one of the games top runners.

None of that explains why the Cardinals and Bucs didn't want him either.

Chi WANTED him but b/c they blundered w/ the benson pick they had to let him go after TJ asked to be traded. If salaries and pick status was equal Jones would still be a Bear. he struggled w/ some injuries in AZ but he has been very good since he left AZ. giys are allowed to succeed after leaving a team. Is Joey porter trash b/c pitt cut him?

 

[Mike13]

it's too early to judge anything right now but if we didn't then the boards would be pretty boring.

Tru dat.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

That had little to do w/ Chi having everything clinched in the NFC, right? he was averaging 8 carries a game through the first 12 games then averaged 15 the last 4 weeks after things were wrapped up.

How does a team with a two game lead with four remaining, have it wrapped up?

In the playoffs benson had 38 carries in 3 games BUT he had 24 in the blowout of NO. the other 2 games he had 7 carries per

He got hurt on his first carry in the SB. Give me a break with your BS.

they chose to spend that high pick b/c thye didn't know what they had in Jones as they had just acquired him but in Chi he blossomed into one of the games top runners. Chi WANTED him but b/c they blundered w/ the benson pick they had to let him go after TJ asked to be traded. If salaries and pick status was equal Jones would still be a Bear. he struggled w/ some injuries in AZ but he has been very good since he left AZ. giys are allowed to succeed after leaving a team. Is Joey porter trash b/c pitt cut him?

If he was in such high demand, why did Chicago get so little for him? Where were the other teams bidding for a top RB? Miami got more for Wes Welker than Chicago got for Jones.

 

[nyjunc]

How does a team with a two game lead with four remaining, have it wrapped up?

It wasn't official until Week 15 but it was wrapped up.

He got hurt on his first carry in the SB. Give me a break with your BS.

Actually he had 2 and they came at the end of the 1st qtr to give Jones a blow and he had -1 yds on 2 carries. His other 2 games in the playoffs he averaged 2.9 YPC and in te close Seattle game, a game that went to Ot he only had 12 carris.36-105

If he was in such high demand, why did Chicago get so little for him? Where were the other teams bidding for a top RB? Miami got more for Wes Welker than Chicago got for Jones.

In case you haven't noticed Rbs have been changing teams like crazy this offseason and none are in high demand. A few years when Edge was at the top of his game Indy couldn't even get a 2nd rd pick for hima nd Seattle couldn't get a 2nd rd pick for Shaun Alexander. marshall faulk was traded for a 2nd and 5th rd pick.

The bottom line is since Brown came into the league in 2005 Thomas Jones has been the superior back. Anyone who has paid attention knows he was the guy in chicago and Chicago b/c they made a draft mistake had to make a tough decision and went w/ the guy they already had alot of $ invested in rather than take a cap hit to cut or trade Benson and sign Jones to a bigger deal.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

The bottom line is since Brown came into the league in 2005 Thomas Jones has been the superior back.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Jones had a slightly better year in 2005, but Brown was just a rookie. Even as a rookie he averaged more YPC and had more receptions, despite playing behind an OL that wasn't as good. For comparison sake, look at Jones' performance as a rookie.

In 2005, Jones was already an experienced back, played on a team with a better OL, and was given more carries. Despite that, Brown averaged more YPC, more YPG, more TD per game, etc. etc. etc. You can simply look at the yardage number all you want, but be sure to include total yards from scrimmage. Despite playing three more games, Jones had only 80 more yards.

Given what he has accomplished so far, Brown is clearly the more talented back. He is bigger, just as fast, and is a far better receiver and blocker. The only advantage that Jones has had is more opportunities. Brown has proven that when given the carries, he produces. Now that Cameron is calling the plays, I'm confident Ronnie will get his chances.

 

[nyjunc]

Jones has been the better back and it's really not close, you want to say Brown has more upside? I can buy that but Jones has been better and is considered the better RB heading into '07.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Jones has been the better back and it's really not close, you want to say Brown has more upside? I can buy that but Jones has been better and is considered the better RB heading into '07.

Really not close? Get over yourself.

Explain these facts:

Despite starting four more games, Jones had only 80 more yards.

Despite getting 55 more carries, Jones had fewer 20+ yard runs.

Despite playing behind a better OL, Jones had a lower YPC average.

Despite sharing the load with another RB, Jones wears down in games.