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Brandt: "I think if Ryan Tannehill were in this draft, he'd be the top pick." Agree?

Yes, Tannehill would be the top pick and it wouldn't even be close. Last year's QB class was exceptional, and what Tannehill lacked was experience. With that experience, Tannehill would have been the clear cream of the crop. I'm very thankful that he came out when he did ... or else we wouldn't have any shot at him.

Don't kid yourself, Andrew Luck would have been the clear cream of the crop last year regardless of Tannehill's experience -- and in a lot of years past.

And that's not a knock on Ryan Tannehill. I'm very bullish on him. I think he has all of the right qualities to grow into a great quarterback and if he fails or busts, I won't be able to explain it.
 
Don't kid yourself, Andrew Luck would have been the clear cream of the crop last year regardless of Tannehill's experience -- and in a lot of years past.

And that's not a knock on Ryan Tannehill. I'm very bullish on him. I think he has all of the right qualities to grow into a great quarterback and if he fails or busts, I won't be able to explain it.

Huh? Re-read my post please, I think there is a misunderstanding.

Nobody is saying that if Tannehill had 1 more year of experience he would have been first in last years draft. Nobody. All I was saying was that if Tannehill had 1 more year of experience in college and had been in the 2013 draft (what the OP is discussing), that his experience and many of the questions people had of Tannehill as a prospect in 2012 wouldn't have been as problematic for him as a prospect for the 2013 draft. We're not comparing him to Luck in this tread. We're comparing him to Barkley, Smith, Nassib, Glennon, Manuel, Wilson, Jones, Scott and Bray. Yeah, i'd undoubtedly take Tannehill over all of those guys, and yes, I'd take him #1 overall in the 2013 draft.

The discussion is based on all other things remaining the same, so only Tannehill staying in school, but Luck, Griffin and Wilson still in the pros. I'm not even sure how much eligibility Griffin and Wilson had left to be honest. Luck wasn't going back, so that's a moot point.
 
There's the happy 40% adjustment again. Frankly, I wish you guys made the daily betting lines. There has never been a player go first in the draft who carried the rating that Tannehill had at this point last year. Not even close. I've followed the draft for 40+ years. If he were even proposed to go first his game would have been dissected until the thought were laughable. You've got to apply situational influence in real time. He was a second tier whispered pick who drew some praise and eased up the boards. Not a high priority. That's an entirely different ball game than scrutiny toward first overall. Aaron Rodgers accomplished far more at Cal than Tannehill did at Texas A&M yet Rodgers was picked apart and plummeted.

Besides, it's quite convenient to elevate Tannehill alone. If we know what we know now, why wouldn't Russell Wilson go first overall? If Tannehill somehow sat out a year and were available for this draft, there would be spotlight on what Manziel accomplished at A&M, far beyond Tannehill's resume, and that comparison would work poorly toward Tannehill's prospects. If we're leaving Tannehill at A&M in 2012, Manziel likely plays ahead of him, so Tannehill would go lower than he did, not higher. Kevin Sumlin runs an offense designed around Johnny Manziel types, not Ryan Tannehill.

Let's see, I'll propose that the winner of the Kentucky Derby will run the race in 2 minutes 9 seconds. It might sound wonderful. Let me know when it happens.

Love your posts ..... just thought I'd say that. Always very well-thought out.
 
There's the happy 40% adjustment again. Frankly, I wish you guys made the daily betting lines. There has never been a player go first in the draft who carried the rating that Tannehill had at this point last year. Not even close. I've followed the draft for 40+ years. If he were even proposed to go first his game would have been dissected until the thought were laughable. You've got to apply situational influence in real time. He was a second tier whispered pick who drew some praise and eased up the boards. Not a high priority. That's an entirely different ball game than scrutiny toward first overall. Aaron Rodgers accomplished far more at Cal than Tannehill did at Texas A&M yet Rodgers was picked apart and plummeted.

Besides, it's quite convenient to elevate Tannehill alone. If we know what we know now, why wouldn't Russell Wilson go first overall? If Tannehill somehow sat out a year and were available for this draft, there would be spotlight on what Manziel accomplished at A&M, far beyond Tannehill's resume, and that comparison would work poorly toward Tannehill's prospects. If we're leaving Tannehill at A&M in 2012, Manziel likely plays ahead of him, so Tannehill would go lower than he did, not higher. Kevin Sumlin runs an offense designed around Johnny Manziel types, not Ryan Tannehill.

Let's see, I'll propose that the winner of the Kentucky Derby will run the race in 2 minutes 9 seconds. It might sound wonderful. Let me know when it happens.


You're too smart for this board.
 
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@SI_PeterKing: "I think if Ryan Tannehill were in this draft, he'd be the top pick."

What do you guys think about this statement,
are the QB's this year really that far behind last years crop?

Do you agree?

You cant really go back and play that card, personally I dont agree because who knows what would happen and hell maybe with new coach he isnt the starter. Maziel played his azz off and he is not going to be the number one pick.
 
i think what's convenient is the assumption that 6 ft 190 lb manziel would start over tannehill if they were in the same camp...that sounds convenient to me...but maybe with sumlin instead of sherman that would have been the case....usually though the guy that doesn't fit the prototype for the position has an uphill climb when someone else does and would have been the incumbent starter...

He would not have been sumerlin's incumbant. he would have to prove himself all over again and its a totally different offense. Im pretty sure Sumerlin was not going to go in and leave everyhting intact from a mediocre team that Sherman never could get over hump
 
or he could have been Manziel's backup and been drafted late. You cant play these silly what if games. bets thing that happened to A and M was firing Sherman and hiring Sumerlin. Tannehill would not have been guaranteed to start
 
No chance that Manziel as a freshman would start over Tannehill. None. Not even worth discussing, frankly. That's not how college football works.
 
No chance that Manziel as a freshman would start over Tannehill. None. Not even worth discussing, frankly. That's not how college football works.

Its a new offense , new coach so no guarantee that tannehill starts no matter what some want to believe
 
Its a new offense , new coach so no guarantee that tannehill starts no matter what some want to believe

That's a great point. A new coach would have to make a decision to invest the time in a qb with potential but limited experience that he'll only have for one season or a younger qb that he can groom and that will know his system inside and out by the time he's a junior. Does Tannehill get the start in that situation? Definitely not guaranteed.

And for what it's worth, if the Fins didn't pick him, I don't think Tannehill would have gone in the 1st round last year. The pick was criticized by many because it was thought, and I count myself in this group, that he'd still have been on the board in the 2nd round.
 
Idk about top pick, but he'd be the top qb taken. Seen many analysts and scouts say, Geno Smith would've been picked no.4 if he was in last years draft behind tannehill. That means Geno wou;d'be been after tannehill but before Weeden. So that means the other qbs like barkely, wouldn've been after after all the top qbs last year. Many saw if Geno smith was in last years it would've been Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Geno Smith, then Weeden. So on that basis, yeah I think he would and it seems many others see it that way too.
 
Idk about top pick, but he'd be the top qb taken. Seen many analysts and scouts say, Geno Smith would've been picked no.4 if he was in last years draft behind tannehill. That means Geno wou;d'be been after tannehill but before Weeden. So that means the other qbs like barkely, wouldn've been after after all the top qbs last year. Many saw if Geno smith was in last years it would've been Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Geno Smith, then Weeden. So on that basis, yeah I think he would and it seems many others see it that way too.

Barkley would have been the third qb taken last year
 
Not a good way to think. Very popular way to think, not a good way.

I realize I can't win this type of argument, since the bad way to think attaches everywhere. Politicians, celebrities, old personnel directors, you name it. Apparently it feels swell to be outlandish, project to the extreme. That's why every hypothetical matchup is never close. The '80s Celtics or Lakers would kill today's Heat. Or the reverse. Jack would destroy Tiger. Or the reverse. The country will go to hell if so-and-so is elected. Or re-elected. If the polls don't match your preference, unskew them 5 or 6 points. Heck, make it 10.

There's no burden, no chance to be wrong, so why use the Parcells theory of you are what you are? Or nearby?

Years ago there was a young sportsbook manager with the bad way to think. Imperial Palace, early '90s. He put a prop on the board, regarding how one player would fare after being traded to a different team, that was so obscene on the high end my friend Dave and I could barely keep our legs from wobbling. We bet it 4 times for the limit. It still wasn't close. The young sportsbook manager finally sensed he might have erred so he wiped it off the board and retreated to the office. Dave has no finesse. Instead of waiting for the next adjustment he started pacing the room, mumbling about how slow and cowardly the sportsbook was. Next thing you know, security surrounded Dave and removed him from the premises. The young sportsbook manager had an inkling he screwed up, so he might as well use the one card he had.

When we won our bets handily many months later, Dave was still hesitant to go back in there, so he handed me his tickets to cash.

I always like my chances when there's an actual outcome.

The thrill of normalcy.
 
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