Gladsadmad
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DolFinatic718 said:
He doesn't have to be Marino. I would settle for Jake Delhomme, i.e. someone who comes up big when the game is on the line.
Fiedler Sucks "We win in SPITE of him, not BECAUSE of him, there's a HUGE difference"
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He doesn't have to be Marino. I would settle for Jake Delhomme, i.e. someone who comes up big when the game is on the line.
Yes, that is the key component championship quarterbacks seem to possess, and I'm sorry for all the Fiedler lovers, but he doesn't have that.Gladsadmad said:
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What about the game against Washington, not that I like Jay its that you can't say he has help in winning games for this team
Gladsadmad said:
You realize that this is a very poor argument.
Brett Favre 193 games played, 209 ints.
I'm not saying he's Favre. I'm saying all QBs throw ints and are inaccurate at times. JF is/has been avg. He is not more inaccurate or more int prone than most QBs. People's perceptions are skewed. I don't know if it's b/c of Marino or b/c they only remember/see the other QBs in the highlights. Whatever the reason, JF's numbers have been avg. This is a fact. His win percentage is above avg. This is also a fact. It could be b/c he's had a great D or b/c he manages the game well. Whatever people think the reason is, is opinion. There are no facts that can prove this.
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rafael said:
No, I don't "realize" that this is a poor argument. We win in spite of Jay's INT's because he doesn't counter that with a thing called touchdowns. Have ya heard of those? Brett Favre has..he has 346 in those 193 games. Do the math, that's more than 1 td per game. Meanwhile, Jay has 59 td's in 58 games as a Dolphin.
Is that a poor argument?
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Exactly.Gladsadmad said:
This post along with Muck's is all that needs to be said.
He's NOT a starting caliber QB....PERIOD.
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Fiedler is Wannys' Boy, that is why he has been starter for the Fins. He would not, nor will ever, be starting for anyother team. That is why he resigned with the Fins. No other team wanted him as a starter, a back up yes. That is why Fiedler chose to stay with the Fins cause it was his best chance to win a starting job. Especially, when the Fins signed another back up to compete for the starting job.
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Well now, how about we actually do some stats that matter...like Jay's performance in our last 4 games of the year and the playoffs, why don't we take a look.
2003
13-31, 111 yds, 41.9 comp %, 0 TD, 2 int, 25.1 rating
21-40, 240 yds, 52 %, 0 TD, 2 int, 50 rating
8-17, 46 yds, 47.1 %, 1 TD, 1 int, 48.9 rating
21-29, 328 yds, 72.4 %, 1 TD, 1 int, 106.7 rating (game didn't matter)
2002
15-29, 196 yds, 51.7 %, 1 TD, 1 int, 70.5 rating
21-32, 237 yds, 65.6 %, 1 TD, 0 int, 98 rating
15-21, 177 yds, 71.4 %, 2 TD, 1 int, 108.6 rating
11-25, 140 yds, 44 %, 1 TD, 0 int, 70 rating
2001
16-28, 149 yds, 57.1 %, 0 TD, 3 int, 32.3 rating
21-37, 320 yds, 56.8 %, 1 Td, 0 int, 94.4 rating
16-29, 191 yds, 55.2 %, 2 Td, 1 int, 84.1 rating
9-16, 110 yds, 56.3 %, 1 TD, 0 int, 98 rating
2000
13-21, 200 yds, 56 %, 3 td, 0 int, 113 rating
13-28, 175 yds, 42 %, 1 Td, 4 int, 44 rating
12-25, 150 yds, 48 %, 0 TD, 1 int, 65 rating
30-45, 240 yds, 66 %, 0 Td, 0 int, 88 rating
Playoffs
19-34, 185 yds, 54 %, 1 Td, 3 int, 52 rating
18-37, 176 yds, 49 %, 0 td, 3 int, 21 rating
15-28, 122 yds, 53 %, 0 Td, 1 int, 50 rating
Which equals about 160 yards a game, 16 tds, 24 interceptions, a horrible pass completion % and an even worse qb rating...so what's the excuse now?
2003
13-31, 111 yds, 41.9 comp %, 0 TD, 2 int, 25.1 rating
21-40, 240 yds, 52 %, 0 TD, 2 int, 50 rating
8-17, 46 yds, 47.1 %, 1 TD, 1 int, 48.9 rating
21-29, 328 yds, 72.4 %, 1 TD, 1 int, 106.7 rating (game didn't matter)
2002
15-29, 196 yds, 51.7 %, 1 TD, 1 int, 70.5 rating
21-32, 237 yds, 65.6 %, 1 TD, 0 int, 98 rating
15-21, 177 yds, 71.4 %, 2 TD, 1 int, 108.6 rating
11-25, 140 yds, 44 %, 1 TD, 0 int, 70 rating
2001
16-28, 149 yds, 57.1 %, 0 TD, 3 int, 32.3 rating
21-37, 320 yds, 56.8 %, 1 Td, 0 int, 94.4 rating
16-29, 191 yds, 55.2 %, 2 Td, 1 int, 84.1 rating
9-16, 110 yds, 56.3 %, 1 TD, 0 int, 98 rating
2000
13-21, 200 yds, 56 %, 3 td, 0 int, 113 rating
13-28, 175 yds, 42 %, 1 Td, 4 int, 44 rating
12-25, 150 yds, 48 %, 0 TD, 1 int, 65 rating
30-45, 240 yds, 66 %, 0 Td, 0 int, 88 rating
Playoffs
19-34, 185 yds, 54 %, 1 Td, 3 int, 52 rating
18-37, 176 yds, 49 %, 0 td, 3 int, 21 rating
15-28, 122 yds, 53 %, 0 Td, 1 int, 50 rating
Which equals about 160 yards a game, 16 tds, 24 interceptions, a horrible pass completion % and an even worse qb rating...so what's the excuse now?
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Finsflurry said:
And the prosecution rests. Mods, this thread can now be closed.
Jay's biggest problem can be summed up in one word: inconsistency. Jay has proven to be a very average/below average QB with glimmers of greatness at a time when a consistent "slightly above average" QB was all the team needed. I believe he is reaching a state of decline in his career at this point, and it is time for Miami to begin planning for the future.
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Dolfan954 said:
Because Feeley is no where near as good as Lucas or Brian Griese. They got there chance and so will Feeley, but until people fix the supporting cast nobody is gonna be a pro-bowl QB on this team. If the OL jells quick enough and the recievers coach can teach these wideouts what it means to play team ball, then Jay will still be better than the backups and HE will be the man.
Either way ya slice it Jay will be the starter, like it or not.
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The elite QBs are going to have some INTs by the very nature of their play. They are good and know it so they will attempt to "thread the needle" sometimes. Also, the playcalling will ask more of an elite QB than a caretaker, resulting in more attempts and thus more chances for more INTs. However, as mentioned earlier, the great QBs offset their INTs. Not just with TDs, but with the perfect pass between 2 or 3 defenders for a first down....or hitting receivers in stride for big gains, or even the improved running game due to opposing defenses having to respect the QB because at any given moment he could kill them with a perfect strike. I just dont think Jay brings any of those qualities to the table to offset his INTs.rafael said:
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Because Feeley is no where near as good as Lucas or Brian Griese.
Ok pal, I want some of that crack and immediately, you could make a case that Griese is better cause he's accomplished something, but come on, Pucas? That's why his *** can't even find a job in this league and he never was considered to be a starter anywhere he went. Come on man, you're insulting Feeley really bad with that one.
Ok pal, I want some of that crack and immediately, you could make a case that Griese is better cause he's accomplished something, but come on, Pucas? That's why his *** can't even find a job in this league and he never was considered to be a starter anywhere he went. Come on man, you're insulting Feeley really bad with that one.
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Lucas did lead the Jets to 6-2 record and the playoffs.What has Feeley done?
Uh lead the Eagles to a 4-1 record and helped them get to the playoffs just like Lucas did, but would you feel better with Lucas or Feeley back there? Lucas is not good enough to even be a backup in this league anymore.
Uh lead the Eagles to a 4-1 record and helped them get to the playoffs just like Lucas did, but would you feel better with Lucas or Feeley back there? Lucas is not good enough to even be a backup in this league anymore.