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Fins vs Bucs vs Jags. A detailed (and I mean DETAILED) comparison.

i wouldnt mind seeing caddy vs ronnie in the sb in a couple years that would be cool
 
Atila said:
you know whats silly? people who dont take this for what its worth.

all he did was compare people in different positions and give his analysis and what not...none of this is concrete fact nor did the guy ever claim that because of his rating, that ____ are a better team.

all he did was break it down to categories, sure some positions are more important than others, BUT THATS NOT THE POINT. you guys need to relax.

people on this site frustrate me sometimes =/
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:shakeno: :shakeno: :shakeno:

maybe you missed the point of his entire post.


The team with the lowest final score can lay claim to being the best of Florida’s NFL teams (on paper, anyway).
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Atila said:
you know whats silly? people who dont take this for what its worth.

all he did was compare people in different positions and give his analysis and what not...none of this is concrete fact nor did the guy ever claim that because of his rating, that ____ are a better team.

all he did was break it down to categories, sure some positions are more important than others, BUT THATS NOT THE POINT. you guys need to relax.

people on this site frustrate me sometimes =/
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I might have given off the impression that I was livid, but that's not the case.

He had an argument, and I came back with mine. I could have come back with an equally ridiculous assessment that had the Dolphins pushing out the Bucs by one point, but well, what is the point?
 
NawlinsBucFan said:
I saw there was some debate about which Florida team was the best, so I decided to break each team down position by position and score them based on what each player has accomplished thus far in their careers and a realistic projection of the future. Scores will be based on production, upside and depth. Teams will receive a 1 for being the best at that position of the three, 2 for being second, 3 for being third. The team with the lowest final score can lay claim to being the best of Florida’s NFL teams (on paper, anyway).

QB:
1- Fins
2- Jags
3- Bucs
Daunte runs away with this one. Leftwich is one of my favorite guys to watch because of his toughness. Simms has all the tools to be a pro-bowl QB, but the competition here is tough.

RB:
1- Jags
2- Bucs
3- Fins
I know all the Fin fans who think Ronnie Brown is the second coming of either Jim Brown or Jesus are going to stop reading right here to tell me how I’ve lost all credibility, and hurl every insult they can think of my way. But as I said, I’m not just giving points for potential. The Bucs and Jags FAR surpass the Fins in depth at RB. There is no one who can be a legit starter behind Ronnie.

FB:
1- Bucs
2- Jags
3- Fins
The Bucs combo of Alstott/Sowell is easily the best FB tandem of the three. The Fins FBs are not as productive as the Jags’ Greg Jones alone, despite the addition of Fred Beasley AND despite listing RB Sammy Morris as a FB.

WR:
1- Fins
2- Bucs
3- Jags
The Dolphins WR Chris Chambers is the deal sealer here. In the 2-4 slots, the Fins and Bucs are very close in terms of talent, but Chambers is solidly ahead of Galloway. The Jags no longer have anyone close to Chambers and Galloway in terms of experience and production but Matt Jones could be there soon.

TE:
1- Fins
2- Bucs
3- Jags
Again, the Fins take this one fairly easily. McMichaels was either underachieving or underutilized last year, but is still the best of the bunch. The Jags top 2 TEs were out gained by Bucs rookie Alex Smith by 90 yards. Smith is also the second best blocker behind the Jags’ Kyle Brady.

OL:
1- Fins
2- Bucs
3- Jags
This is tough to measure. The Jags finished with the fewest team rushing yards (subtracting QB scrambles) and allowed the second most sacks, but nearly got every QB that played for them KILLED. By contrast, the Fins allowed the fewest sacks and hold a slight edge in rushing, as a team, on the Bucs, who allowed the most sacks by far but did the most to improve their squad.

DE:
1- Fins
2- Bucs
3- Jags
This was painful to type. Simeon Rice is a shade better than Jason Taylor (blasphemy, I know), but the Fins depth at the position with Carter, Bowens and Roth tops even the work horse Spires and star in the making, Dewayne White. The Jags are a distant third.

DT:
1- Jags
2- Fins
3- Bucs
If anyone thinks Traylor and Holliday are on par with Stroud and Henderson, you should get your head examined. Hovan is solid, but Anthony McFarlane is possibly the worst starting DT in the league.

LB:
1- Bucs
2- Jags
3- Fins
Finally, the Bucs cruise on one. The Bucs have the #1, #3 LBs on the board in Brooks, Quarles. Z Thomas gets the nod over Peterson, but Channing Crowder is a slight downgrade from Daryl Smith.

CB:
1- Bucs
2- Jags
3- Fins
Barber and Kelly remain one of the leagues best CB tandems combining for 9 picks and 28 passes defensed in 2005. After years of dominance with Madison and Surtain, CB isn’t exactly a strength for the Fins at the moment, but there is a ton of potential in Allen.

FS:
1- Fins
2- Jags
3- Bucs
See? Even when I think the Bucs have the most talented player at the position (Will Allen), I have to recognize that he is the least experienced of the three. Schulters and Grant are close in talent if not in pure stats, but back-up Bell gives the Fins the edge.

SS:
1- Bucs
2- Fins
3- Jags
I know there are some who will argue this but for my money, Phillips is the most consistent of the three in coverage and run support.

K/P
1- Bucs
2- Fins
3- Jags
What? Orlindo Mare ranked below Matt Bryant? Must be some homer stuff at work here right? Well not exactly. Mare this season missed 5 FGs out of his 30 attempts, good for 83 %. Braynt missed only 4 FGs and squeaks out at 84%. Also, Bucs punter Josh Bidwell is slightly better than youngster Donnie Jones.

Coaching Staff:
1- Bucs
2- Fins
3- Jags
Sorry folks but this one begins and ends with SB 37. Capers and Mularky may be former HCs (the key word there is FORMER) but Gruden and Kiffin have rings. Gruden has coached up a #1 Offense in Oakland and has the weapons to break the top 10 this year while Kiffin has two #1 defenses as well as 10 years in the top 10. And did I mention the rings?

Final score:
Bucs- 25
Fins- 26
Jags- 33

I honestly think that a Dolphins-Buccaneers Super Bowl is VERY possible in the next two years. I know you all want to think that the Bucs suck and the Fins are the best team in the league. I know some of you think the Fins should have a 14 and the Bucs a 42, but I think they really are as close as I’ve scored them, and I will not be the least bit surprised if (when) they both make deep playoff runs.

Ok, for those who haven’t already stopped reading to rip me apart, feel free to do so now. :tongue:
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if ricky were back//////////// oh well guess your right i think we need to sign micheal bennett:cooldude:
 
DE:
1- Fins
2- Bucs
3- Jags
This was painful to type. Simeon Rice is a shade better than Jason Taylor (blasphemy, I know), but the Fins depth at the position with Carter, Bowens and Roth tops even the work horse Spires and star in the making, Dewayne White. The Jags are a distant third.

Until rice plays against the run, Taylor is the better end.
 
The one thing that sticks out to me is the Taylor/Rice thing....There is no way you can convince me that Rice, as good as he is, is better than or has done it as long as JT has...it's not blasphemy, it's pure homerism...But a lot of the other stuff I'd have to agree with.

The coaching staff thing is pretty interesting...Gruden has the ring, no doubt, but that wasn't his team that won the SB...that was Dungy's team. But Saban hasn't gotten those kind of results yet, so I'd have to give them the nod...I also question the QB situation..that assessment you made is based purely on potential and what can be...CPep isn't back yet. Leftwich is a nice QB, but hasn't really proven much and since there is still the questions around CPep and Simms is young, I'd have to give the nod to Byron. But if CPep comes back the way we all think he can, after this season, it'll be a no brainer...
 
I disagree with the OL, even though it was in our favor. Ronnie Brown was a big part of our low sack stat. Which leads to disagreeing with the RB comparison. And I'll take Mare's 16 touchbacks to Bryant's 5 any day. Great effort in you analysis though.
 
When it comes to depth I will give the Bucs a nod but RB is the better back than anyone else on the Bucs or Jags squad. The assessment for the D positions are well thought out though I disagree; we should be second to the Bucs (and not by all that much) at the LB positions. Giving Gruden & Company a notch up on catching is understandable due to SB XXXVII win. But, yours truly here predicting that we will find out that Saban ends up being the most successfull in the long run.

Again, I applaud the effort and candor. Don't necessarily agree with all of it but, I can appreciate the insight of a knowledgable fan no matter who they may support.

GO DOLPHINS!!!
 
G-Force said:
Well I think both has something to prove. Caddy missed more games due to injury than Ronnie but Caddy had more yards. Neither one has carried a whole load since HS until Caddy attempted it last year until he got broke. Both need to stay healthy and I'm saying 235 pound Ronnie has a much better chance than stick man Caddy. Thats just me though.
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Ronnie spilt carries at the end of the year with Ricky also. Ronnie is also bigger like you said so he should be in the eague longer because he'll be able to take more big hits.
 
bakedmatt said:
I could have come back with an equally ridiculous assessment that had the Dolphins pushing out the Bucs by one point, but well, what is the point?
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The point was to get a debate going. I hoped that I would get this exact reaction. Recognizing that I'm not trying to bash the Fins, but offering different opinions on some of my points.

I did try NOT to be too much of a Buc fan when I did this, but I can see where there is a legit arguement for the Jags in some spots, and the Fins in others. That's what make the debate interesting to me.

BTW:
QB:
I don't think there needs to be a huge gap hear because I think all three teams have outstanding QBs. Obviously C-Pep is the most accomplished, but for one guy who said the Bucs should get a 5 for a QB who helped lead his team to the playoffs after being thrown to the wolves via injury, that's just being a hater. Everyone who looks at Chris Simms with unbiased eyes sees a kid with upper echelon talent. If we were to revisit this next off season, I beleive we will be placing Simms right behind Pep.

FB:
Hate on Alstott if you want, but realize you are talking about a guy with as good of stats as any player currently inshrined in Canton as a Fullback. He is 3rd all-time for TDs scored by a fullback in the modern era - he past Larry Czonka last year - he has the third most recieving yards of any fullback in the HOF. Only Jim Brown (126) and Marion Motley (92) have more total TDs then Mike (80) as a FB. (Jim Brown was listed by cleveland as a FB, and he is in the HOF as a FB) So you're looking at 55 rushing TDs and 15 receiving TDs, a SB win, a td in a SB, and 6 probowls. It's not a stretch to say Mike Alstott is a future HOF FB. As for the blocking, you guys should know all about Sowell. He's the former Jet that lead the way for Curtis Martin's decade full of 1,000+ yard seasons.

DE:
Sticking to my guns here. J Taylor is a great DE without question, but the whole 'Rice doen't play the run' thing is a common misconception. Rice's job on those edge runs is to force the RB to stretch his run laterally. Keep him going East and West instead of turning the corner. That allows Brooks a chance to use his speed to drop the back for a loss. If Rice was as bad vs the run as people think, Brooks would constantly have blockers on him and his numbers would decline. You'll never see Rice taken out of a running play buy a WR the way JT was last year. Why do you think everyone in the game says 'don't run vertically vs the Bucs, run up the middle at them'.

DT:
Which brings me to Booger. I say he may be the worse starting DT in the league because he only has three big games in him per year. Hovan's job on this D Line is to take on double teams and be a runstopper and he does an adequate job of it. Booger's role is to do what Sapp used to do. Maybe that's why I don't think highly of him. Maybe he's not as bad as I think he is, he's just not as good as Pre-Oakland Sapp was.

SS:
I totally blew the call on Donovan Darius.
1- Jags
2- Bucs
3- Fins

K:
I know Mare has had a great career, but he seemed to struggle a bit more that he ever dod before this past year. That's not a good sign. When Automatica Gramatica had a year like that, he came back horrible the following year and was off the team. Kickers appear to go from great to revulting in one off season sometimes, but the truth is, there is usually a telling season prior. I'd keep a close eye on Mare this year.

That means:
Bucs- 26
Fins- 27
Jags- 31
For now.....:cooldude:
 
I agree with a lot of it, however, RB & FB there is no way we get 6 pts there. Is Alstott even playing anymore...I thought he was done.
 
This is crazy. Who cares about the best team in FL. If there was only three teams in the NFL I would be all over this one.... but don't forget the other 29 teams going after our goods.
 
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