J-Off's Board V1

[Travis34]

No, I'm just saying, I'd take almost anyone who has been mentioned as a possibility over Charlton.

Gotchya, I was thinking that possibly too or maybe you had a secret player you were liking

 

[ckparrothead]

I'll be rooting for Boulware and Taylor and agree that a team should favor Taylor, who has more career sacks and TFL than most of the top Edge players. I'm also rooting for Taylor to put up a decent Pro Day today. It's not hard to see some limitations, but I'd be thrilled with anything under 4.8 for Taylor. That wouldn't propel him into the early, or even middle, rounds, but it'd make him draftable.

Thing is, Taylor's not an edge player. He keeps getting categorized there because of the stats. He's an ILB and he just racks up those stats because he's aggressive. He is Sean Spence. They're twins.

There are games you watch him (Oklahoma) and you're like...meh. But there are games you watch him and it's like a religious experience (Louisville). He had a lot more of the latter in 2015 but still had a bunch in 2016.

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J-off, I'm kind of confused by your post. The 1-5 part.

Is "player 4", Wise?

Then I assume you just listed him and taco as player 1 / 2 to compare them?


Ck- what round do you take that gamble? 6? 7?

Who are we talking about? Deatrich Wise?

Personally I'd not be drafting him. I have other rolls of the dice I would prefer.

 

[j-off-her-doll]

Thing is, Taylor's not an edge player. He keeps getting categorized there because of the stats. He's an ILB and he just racks up those stats because he's aggressive. He is Sean Spence. They're twins.

There are games you watch him (Oklahoma) and you're like...meh. But there are games you watch him and it's like a religious experience (Louisville). He had a lot more of the latter in 2015 but still had a bunch in 2016.

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Who are we talking about? Deatrich Wise?

Personally I'd not be drafting him. I have other rolls of the dice I would prefer.

Yep, Taylor just has an elite sense of when to burst through an open gap and how to time his blitz. He just needs to show that he has enough juice in his legs for some of that to translate. Seems like a big if, but I'm hopeful.

I think Travis34 was talking about Taylor, but you wouldn't draft Wise?

 

[ckparrothead]

Yep, Taylor just has an elite sense of when to burst through an open gap and how to time his blitz. He just needs to show that he has enough juice in his legs for some of that to translate. Seems like a big if, but I'm hopeful.

I think Travis34 was talking about Taylor, but you wouldn't draft Wise?

The core of it for me on Deatrich Wise, and this is admitting that he's a pretty good edge rusher with a salivating frame, is that ultimately when he gets to the NFL he's going to be asked to either be a complete defensive end, or an interior pass rush specialist. You don't see a lot of 6'5" & 275 lbs edge rush specialists running 4.92 rotating onto the field on 3rd downs to try and beat offensive tackles that weigh 40 lbs more, have the same wing span, and have the same athletic ability.

I think the NFL is going to try and move him inside on pass downs, and expect him to be a run defending force from the edge. Do I see either of those things being particularly in his wheelhouse? Not really.

He could be the next Willie Young I will grant that. But I think Willie had/has more mobility and athleticism.

 

[Travis34]

Yep, Taylor just has an elite sense of when to burst through an open gap and how to time his blitz. He just needs to show that he has enough juice in his legs for some of that to translate. Seems like a big if, but I'm hopeful.

I think Travis34 was talking about Taylor, but you wouldn't draft Wise?

Yeah I meant Taylor or Boulware

 

[j-off-her-doll]

Been looking for updates in Taylor, but Brandon Wilson posted a 4.38 40, 40" vert, 11'02" broad at 5'11 200lbs. Whether or not you trust the 40, that ain't bad.

 

[Sons Of Shula]

Just starting to dig into the draft and you can sign me up as a fan of Jordan Willis.

I think he is one of the best fits for our attacking style front. Really love the use of his hands to keep his chest clean which is something I do not like about Barnett. Explosive player with a helluva burst off the line. OK repertoire of polished moves (rip, bull rush) but uses them well w/ a few counters. Also like how they lined him up inside to take advantage of his speed vs guards. Awareness vs the run needs some higher level coaching, but seems very workable.

Overall, I would be happy with this selection at #22. Though it may be higher than projected, he is a defensive fit and he certainly wont be around at #54.

 

[j-off-her-doll]

Just starting to dig into the draft and you can sign me up as a fan of Jordan Willis.

I think he is one of the best fits for our attacking style front. Really love the use of his hands to keep his chest clean which is something I do not like about Barnett. Explosive player with a helluva burst off the line. OK repertoire of polished moves (rip, bull rush) but uses them well w/ a few counters. Also like how they lined him up inside to take advantage of his speed vs guards. Awareness vs the run needs some higher level coaching, but seems very workable.

Overall, I would be happy with this selection at #22. Though it may be higher than projected, he is a defensive fit and he certainly wont be around at #54.

I thought you'd like Willis. I agree that his awareness vs the run could improve and that it's something he figures to improve. He stood on his Combine numbers at his Pro Day, as expected, but I saw the word "perfect" used to describe his performance in the DL and LB drills. I'm very curious to see where he, Watt, and Bowser go. I expect it will be earlier than their current projections, but the NFL usually lets at least one freak Edge fall further than he should.

Speaking of Bowser, I finally found Steven Taylor's Pro Day numbers. As expected, they're pretty rough. If there is a silver lining, his 4.85 40 seems like a legit time, because Howard Wilson only improved his 40 by .04. He's like the Jarvis Jones of off-ball LB's. Because he's smaller, and because he'll be a Day-3 pick or UDFA, I think he'll have a more difficult time finding snaps. It's too bad, because he does have a unique skill set. Maybe it's enough for him to defy the odds.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

I thought you'd like Willis. I agree that his awareness vs the run could improve and that it's something he figures to improve. He stood on his Combine numbers at his Pro Day, as expected, but I saw the word "perfect" used to describe his performance in the DL and LB drills. I'm very curious to see where he, Watt, and Bowser go. I expect it will be earlier than their current projections, but the NFL usually lets at least one freak Edge fall further than he should.

Speaking of Bowser, I finally found Steven Taylor's Pro Day numbers. As expected, they're pretty rough. If there is a silver lining, his 4.85 40 seems like a legit time, because Howard Wilson only improved his 40 by .04. He's like the Jarvis Jones of off-ball LB's. Because he's smaller, and because he'll be a Day-3 pick or UDFA, I think he'll have a more difficult time finding snaps. It's too bad, because he does have a unique skill set. Maybe it's enough for him to defy the odds.

I agree that those players will go faster than projected. After his combine, Willis has to be at least in the bottom of round one. Watt is probably top 15, but I hope he falls to Miami. Not sure where Bowser goes.

Another question for you. If Miami goes offensive line in round two, who do you prefer ---- Feeney, Elflein, Johnson, Moton (someone else). Thanks.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

Just starting to dig into the draft and you can sign me up as a fan of Jordan Willis.

I think he is one of the best fits for our attacking style front. Really love the use of his hands to keep his chest clean which is something I do not like about Barnett. Explosive player with a helluva burst off the line. OK repertoire of polished moves (rip, bull rush) but uses them well w/ a few counters. Also like how they lined him up inside to take advantage of his speed vs guards. Awareness vs the run needs some higher level coaching, but seems very workable.

Overall, I would be happy with this selection at #22. Though it may be higher than projected, he is a defensive fit and he certainly wont be around at #54.

Willis looks good on tape and his combine was off the charts. Haven't seen him in person so that makes it a little harder in terms of evaluation.

My dream draft for Miami would be two pass rushers early maybe one linebacker (Reddick, Watt) and a defensive end (Lawson, Willis, Murphy). Don't know what pass rushing linebackers will be there in round two. From there, I'd look at offensive line, safety and tight end.

 

[nick1]

Willis looks good on tape and his combine was off the charts. Haven't seen him in person so that makes it a little harder in terms of evaluation.

My dream draft for Miami would be two pass rushers early maybe one linebacker (Reddick, Watt) and a defensive end (Lawson, Willis, Murphy). Don't know what pass rushing linebackers will be there in round two. From there, I'd look at offensive line, safety and tight end.

IMO our scheme doesnt really use LBs as pass rushers. But we do run zone blitzes I believe. They were largely ineffective but with Branch and Hayes as 2 key DEs we are going to need to be creative to get sacks

 

[j-off-her-doll]

I agree that those players will go faster than projected. After his combine, Willis has to be at least in the bottom of round one. Watt is probably top 15, but I hope he falls to Miami. Not sure where Bowser goes.

Another question for you. If Miami goes offensive line in round two, who do you prefer ---- Feeney, Elflein, Johnson, Moton (someone else). Thanks.

You got it! Of those players, I'd order it Johnson, Feeney, Moton, Elflein (who may be restricted to Center). Johnson and Feeney are the two that I would consider at 54. I think it's a little early for Moton and Elflein.

 

[Sons Of Shula]

IMO our scheme doesnt really use LBs as pass rushers. But we do run zone blitzes I believe. They were largely ineffective but with Branch and Hayes as 2 key DEs we are going to need to be creative to get sacks

Matt Burke said somewhere (trying to dig it up) that we'll be using less zone blitz this year and sticking more with the attacking style. Being a gym shorts disciple, they don't blitz often. History indicates an average of around 10-15%.

J-off-her-doll has the knowledge to highlight LBs in the coming draft, but If you want a good look at a prototypical LB for our scheme, Misi is pretty standard.

 

[FSU Truth]

You got it! Of those players, I'd order it Johnson, Feeney, Moton, Elflein (who may be restricted to Center). Johnson and Feeney are the two that I would consider at 54. I think it's a little early for Moton and Elflein.

What about Dawkins? Seems like he could easily move him to the inside...that thick lower body and strong punch.

This is what I said about him in the VIP forum...

Dawkins....Really good build, thick legs and ample backside....thick chest. How anyone sees him as anything but a guard at the next level is surprising...just based on physical look.

Comes off, has a bit of nasty about him strong punch. Takes a nice drop, but will get too bent over and off balance, should get cleaned up, but won't be as much of an issue inside. Good feet, above average athleticism. Stops feet on contact, comes off block early...techique as a whole needs to be cleaned up.

Really interested to see what he does this week against better comp. I know those coaches are going to move him inside to see how he does...I get the feeling he will be a second round player.

 

[nick1]

Matt Burke said somewhere (trying to dig it up) that we'll be using less zone blitz this year and sticking more with the attacking style. Being a gym shorts disciple, they don't blitz often. History indicates an average of around 10-15%.

J-off-her-doll has the knowledge to highlight LBs in the coming draft, but If you want a good look at a prototypical LB for our scheme, Misi is pretty standard.

Who here has a problem with Misi when healthy? The only problem is he is never healthy. His play is pretty solid