Jamar Taylor's Kidney Issue May Have Made Him Slip to #54

[DolfanDaveInMI]

The kidney thing could be nothing. It could be no cause for concern whatsoever. But if it is indeed, then no teams did not pass on him because of it.

The point he was trying to make was about the judgment of each team's medical staff and their tolerance for risk. Miami's doctors were more concerned about Drew Brees' shoulder than New Orleans' doctors were. Accordingly, other teams may be more concerned about kidney conditions than Miami's were.

 

[trojanma]

There are several factors here.

The function and the scarring.
The function can improve because if there was a threat it could hopefully have been removed.
Scarring is dead kidney that doesn't come back.

Regardless if he has near total recovery from this his kidneys will never operate at 100%. That is not a huge issues since we have more kidney reserve than we need(hence why folks can donate a kidney).

The problem that I see is that he is a young man who already has issues with his blood pressure(high blood pressure destroys the kidney over time) and who is going into a job that is potentially very taxing on his body. Notably dehydration is a very common cause of acute kidney stress.

He should get daily blood pressure monitoring and monthly sampling of blood and urine.

 

[Nublar7]

i heard he needs surgery.

You heard wrong, it isn't THAT serious.

 

[finfan54]

what the hell is wrong with jordan poyer? that guy dropped all the way to 7th?

 

[Desent]

Many high blood pressure medications can do this to you liver and Kidney's if they go without being looked at for awhile. They can heal with just a simple switch of medication, if that is all it is, there is nothing to worry about.

i don't know anything about this but if this is true wouldn't have other teams been able to obtain this type of info or logic as well.

 

[lil tom digby]

Correct me if I'm wrong but ACE (Angiotensin Converting Enzyme) Inhibitors prevent Angiotensin from converting into Angiotensin II with causes the vasoconstriction so the kidneys can filter properly, but causes the blood pressure to rise.

 

[Atila]

prettttttttty sure none of us will be able to correct you if you are wrong.

 

[lil tom digby]

prettttttttty sure none of us will be able to correct you if you are wrong.

Some of the previous posters seemed to be in the medical field, I used to do renal studies in Nuclear Medicine that helped differentiate between systemic hypertension and renal hypertension. More Doctors are now ordering MRA's of he kidneys to diagnose renal arterial stenosis. I didn't mean to come off as a smart #ss.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Two words.

Kenny. Easley.

Precisely, although younger fans won't recognize the name.

Easley was the best safety I've ever seen. He's the only guy who had dominant traits at both strong safety and free safety. If I had to construct an All-Time NFL team, I'd use Ronnie Lott at strong safety and Kenny Easley at free safety.

Anybody with a different duo would be wrong.

In college there was no question Easley (UCLA) was superior to Lott (USC). Even Lott conceded it. Their careers were parallel. But in the NFL, Easley went to a more obscure franchise in the Seahawks. Never quite received the acclaim he deserved.

Career was cut short by severe kidney issues. Ugly dispute with the franchise. There is still an underground push to get Easley into the Hall of Fame, but I don't think it will be successful.

***

Anyway, this is an emotional issue to me because my mom died four years ago, not long after a kidney dialysis treatment, two months after renal failure. During that troubled final year I found out there is monumental dispute between kidney specialists, even when they are from the same hospital or organization, and looking at the same scans. On more than one occasion they literally excused themselves behind a door, then I heard them screaming at each other, debating my mom's condition.

Even when she was forced into dialysis, one doctor told us it's not so bad, kind of overrated, and she should have no problem adjusting. Literally within hours another doctor told us that at her age, and given diabetes, her body likely would have trouble with the treatments (3-4 times per week for roughly 6 hours), and that we should begin preparing for her death.

Unfortunately, the second specialist was correct. Mom shook after the treatments and had difficult for hours afterwards, unable to eat.

I'm anything but surprised there are varying opinions in this case. Believe me, I could provide numerous examples from my mom's situation, down the line. There were several stages, including allowing her weight to balloon 50 pounds in water weight as they tried to save her from dialysis, hoping the kidneys would respond. Didn't happen.

Obviously those are details of an elderly woman, not a young athlete.

Regardless, he needs to prioritize his health right now, as if football doesn't exist. It's revolting to read posts deflecting concern to late in his life, long after we've disposed of him. Those haven't surfaced here, but I've seen them elsewhere.

Until 2008 I didn't realize there was such a connection between kidney issues and hypertension. The Miami area is known for many fine facilities and specialists, despite my mother's fate.

 

[lil tom digby]

Sorry about your Mom.

 

[TheWalrus]

Sorry about your Mom.

Seconded.

As for Easley, I'm too young to have watched him play but I've seen the highlights and read about him. People always talk about guys like Greg Cook and Curt Warner as being the great lost NFL legends, but Easley proved it on the field for years before the kidney issue caught up to him. It's a shame so few talk about him. His like doesn't come around often.

 

[COMEBACKRICKY]

Correct me if I'm wrong but ACE (Angiotensin Converting Enzyme) Inhibitors prevent Angiotensin from converting into Angiotensin II with causes the vasoconstriction so the kidneys can filter properly, but causes the blood pressure to rise.

What you described are the actions of ACE.. If you inhibit ACE you're going to have vasodilatation and a decrease in blood pressure.

That's a cool field you worked in! I talked about renal artery stenosis in my previos posts it's definitely an issue most people don't even realize they are having. Diagnose through angiography and blood test, their aldosterone and angiotensin levels would be way high because the kidney thinks the body is hypotensive.

Great posts. Are you a med student too? His case is a neat one. I'm finding it hard to make sense of it, but I haven't had pathology yet. Anyway, it's for the same reasons you brought up. I've also never heard of anti-hypertensives causing renal fibrosis.



Probably just a creatinine measurement.

Yup I'm a med student, first year. We do problem based learning and we get to cover a lot more pathology than other first year students so it's really neat.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...er-leavingheat-marlins.html#storylink=addthis

Thanks Nublar, I've been looking for some more info. As I said in my previous posts asprins/ibuprofen can cause kidney damage. I'm glad you found the link and it talks about how he used anti-inflammatories.. If he was ACE inhibitors for his high blood pressure he should have been warned to not use anti inflammatories!!
ACE inhibitors decrease the amount of blood your kidneys are getting and anti-inflammatories would decrease even further the amount of blood your kidneys are getting. We looked at a very similar case in class which is why I'm familiar with it. Like I said in my other post if you already have an issue with not getting enough blood to your kidneys like in renal artery stenosis you don't want to do anything that would further decrease the perfusion.. Taking ACE inhibitors and anti-inflammatories would result in this decreased perfusion.

Lastly I will say again that the initial blurb was misleading. If he is expected to improve he did not have damage to the irreparable parts of the kidneys. I suspect that the ACE inhibitors + anti-inflammatories caused some acute damage to his tubules either acute tubular necrosis or nephritis.


I think it's a few months for the kidneys to repair but yeah, nothing to worry about guys if it is one of those. I'm sure he will be in great hands and as we said earlier 42% efficiency may sound bad but it's not a huge issue as long as it doesn't keep deteriorating. When I first read the blurb I thought it was a lot worse. Freaking rotoworld.


Awsi, sorry about your mom

 

[Nublar7]

Freaking rotoworld.

What else would you expect from Evan Sliva?

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Sorry about your Mom.

Thank you. She was a great lady, and a big Dolphin and Canes fan. I guarantee if she were reading this forum she'd tell me to be more positive.

That was her phrase, "Think positive!"

As a kid I taped her ranting during a Dolphin playoff game, then I called the Larry King show on WIOD a few days later and played the tape. The guests roared, and so did Larry King. He had no idea it was a tape. He kept trying to talk to it, "Lady, lady...listen to me"

 

[Awsi Dooger]

As for Easley, I'm too young to have watched him play but I've seen the highlights and read about him. People always talk about guys like Greg Cook and Curt Warner as being the great lost NFL legends, but Easley proved it on the field for years before the kidney issue caught up to him. It's a shame so few talk about him. His like doesn't come around often.

Warner was the real deal. Slippery and tough. He came on the heels of Franco Harris' career, along with Lydell Mitchell, and would have deflected the subsequent doubts about Penn State running backs if he had remained healthy.

I'm not sure about Greg Cook. I remember that rookie year but I was very young. Kind of a Mark Fidrych situation. I want to believe the hype but not enough evidence.

Easley was a mega legend in college. Ronnie Lott was well known but nobody in Los Angeles compared him to Easley, well not until late during Lott's senior year. Even then, it was reluctant. Even Trojan fans had utmost respect for Easley. He was tough, rangy, instinctive and smart.

I was following the draft more closely in that era than before or since. When one of my favorites went to the wrong team, I was sick. As soon as O.J. Anderson was drafted by the St. Louis Cardinals in 1979, I knew he'd never fully live up to his potential fame, and same with Easley to Seattle.

BTW, in my earlier post I wasn't suggesting Jamar Taylor should leave football. Hardly. Make the kidney treatment an immediate priority, above football, and get multiple opinions. In my mom's case it always frustrated me that some doctors were so sparing with words. They'd say something, like a medical term, and we'd have to look it up to fill in the details.