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I would take Omar Jacobs anyday. He has kind of an akward release, but I dont know I like the kid
 
I would spend a 4th rounder on him if hes still around. I'm sure he won't be but we have other wholes to take care of before we take a questionable QB.
 
I think staying would be bettre for his draft status. He was a 1st rounder coming into this year and realy fell off because of alot of things. If he can turn it around next year and show consistency he can squeak his way back up draft boards.

I'd say he is about a 3rd rounder right now.
 
some of you are talking crazy. If Omar enters the draft, he is at best the 2nd best QB and at worst the 4th best. He'll definatly be a first day pick, probably a first round pick.
 
he'll be in the first round when it's all said and done, mostly due to the lack of any other good QB
 
I don't know, unless he has a stellar workout, hes a 3rd rounder from this season. Based only on his sophomore year he is a possible first round talent, this year really set him back.
 
I can't believe your saying he has a long release, or even comparing him to Josh Harris. He has a super quick release, he hardly pulls the ball behind him. I used to think he looked like he was throwing a dart. Also when Josh Harris was putting up those number Urban Myer was running the offense and it was much different than than it is now. It was an option-run offense that utilized Harris's ability to throw the ball halfway down the field with ease. The current offense is taylored around Jacobs ability to put the ball where he wants it and cut up a defense. I think when he learns to use his athletic ability more and run the ball rather than try to force throws like does, and many times I've seen him complete, he will be a much much better QB. I wrote this in another thread about your opinion on jacobs.

I can be 100% positive you have never seen him play anytime other than Boise State. It was a horrible display by the team and Omar, and the Boise State defense absolutley figured out the offense, and I've never seen him start a game so bad. But to their defense, Boise dosn't have that home win streak for a reason, and the amount of support they had at that games makes the word minimal an overstatement.

Besides that, his other full year of starting and even against highly ranked Wisconsin this year, he has looked amazing with great arm strength and incredible accuracy and decision making. Go back and watch that game, he should have won it for them on more than one occasion, but dropped passes, even a big droped TD, plauged the team.

And Bowling Green runs the ball more than their fair share, notching up well over 1,000 yards rushing, and he runs more of a balanced offense than you think.

He has displayed all the physical tools needed to be a NFL quality player. He has size, athletic ablity, and an arm that makes all the throws. He has displayed a great amount of composure and a good QB mind, knowing when to take a chance and when not too. My largest knock on him is not his mechanics, which I say if they ain't broke don't fix um (he is 6'5 the ball isn't coming out that low), but his quiet personality. He is not a real rah rah QB, but a quiet, composed type. The kind of guy who just wants to go out and get it done, almost machine like. But his teamates trust him and respect him as their star so I guess he is doing something right.

After his recored setting first season, his second starting year included a separated shoulder, underachieving team, and some personal problems, but in light of all these things he has still put up a year alot of QB's wouldn't mind having. I'm not going to say he is a sure fire hit, but to be as confident of his failure as you are is absured and shows your apparent lack of knowledge on the subject.
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Hackney seems like a guy mueller would like.
 
saves said:
I can't believe your saying he has a long release, or even comparing him to Josh Harris. He has a super quick release, he hardly pulls the ball behind him. I used to think he looked like he was throwing a dart. Also when Josh Harris was putting up those number Urban Myer was running the offense and it was much different than than it is now. It was an option-run offense that utilized Harris's ability to throw the ball halfway down the field with ease. The current offense is taylored around Jacobs ability to put the ball where he wants it and cut up a defense. I think when he learns to use his athletic ability more and run the ball rather than try to force throws like does, and many times I've seen him complete, he will be a much much better QB. I wrote this in another thread about your opinion on jacobs.

I can be 100% positive you have never seen him play anytime other than Boise State. It was a horrible display by the team and Omar, and the Boise State defense absolutley figured out the offense, and I've never seen him start a game so bad. But to their defense, Boise dosn't have that home win streak for a reason, and the amount of support they had at that games makes the word minimal an overstatement.

Besides that, his other full year of starting and even against highly ranked Wisconsin this year, he has looked amazing with great arm strength and incredible accuracy and decision making. Go back and watch that game, he should have won it for them on more than one occasion, but dropped passes, even a big droped TD, plauged the team.

And Bowling Green runs the ball more than their fair share, notching up well over 1,000 yards rushing, and he runs more of a balanced offense than you think.

He has displayed all the physical tools needed to be a NFL quality player. He has size, athletic ablity, and an arm that makes all the throws. He has displayed a great amount of composure and a good QB mind, knowing when to take a chance and when not too. My largest knock on him is not his mechanics, which I say if they ain't broke don't fix um (he is 6'5 the ball isn't coming out that low), but his quiet personality. He is not a real rah rah QB, but a quiet, composed type. The kind of guy who just wants to go out and get it done, almost machine like. But his teamates trust him and respect him as their star so I guess he is doing something right.

After his recored setting first season, his second starting year included a separated shoulder, underachieving team, and some personal problems, but in light of all these things he has still put up a year alot of QB's wouldn't mind having. I'm not going to say he is a sure fire hit, but to be as confident of his failure as you are is absured and shows your apparent lack of knowledge on the subject.
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Please shut up and don't tell me if i've seen him play more than once or not. I wouldn't make a post like that on a player I've only seen play once. This year I've seen him against Wisconsin, Miami (OH), and Boise St and last year I saw him in his bowl game against Memphis and against Oklahoma to start the year off, not to mention all the other countless clips and parts of games I've watched him in.

Listen...Jacobs' stats are impressive without question. Many others have put up amazing numbers in similar offenses, but not quite as good as Jacobs's, and I'll give him that. But, in judging his actual play on the field and not completely by his inflated statistics, he comes no where close to matching his hype that people like you create. I've already stated why I believe this. and btw, in addition to the Wisconsin game and Boise St game where he was unimpressive, his stats made his game against Memphis last year look better than he really played. The 5 TD's in that game jumps out at u on the stat line, but what about his 18 incompleteions. A lot of time with Jacobs, in that game I remember as well, he wont hit his WR in stride, but he'll still make the completion, so it won't look as bad. and thata's where the system he's in helps out, as he's generally given a relatively large room for error as the field is spread open.

I really can't wait till his draft stock plummets like I'm predicting before the draft (if he declares for this year). Then when he does nothing in the NFL, I remind you about what I said
 
ItalianDolFan said:
i think Saban should do whatever he can to trade pics and draft Marcus McNeil and Brodie Croyle. If Ricky Williams proves himself this year, im sure some teams would trade a 1st for him. It may actually be more important to draft a Top Center, instead of an Offensive Tackle like Marcus McNeil.....but McNeil has a good future. As for Jay Cutler, isnt that the name of a famous bodybuilder???
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We will NEVER get a first round pick for Ricky. The best we can get for Ricky is a third round; and that is a bit of a stretch.
 
killswitch said:
These are prospects that have been especially impressive IMO (EDIT: this is not a ranking of prospects of any sort; just some random players who have impressed me)

QB - Jay Cutler - Vandy
QB - Brodie Croyle - Alabama; has ideal mechanics and one of the strongest arms in college football
QB - Charlie Whitehurst - Clemson; needs to learn how to manage the game better for the NFL as he's not effiecient in making reads, but physical skills are amazing
QB - Darell Hackney - UAB; has an absolute cannon and very tough. from what i've read, he is an undrafted FA type right now, but i'd bet that he'll get drafted. i think he'll surprise people

RB - DeAngelo Williams - Memphis; best Sr. RB in the nation
RB - P.J. Daniels - GT; he will run you over as many know, but what many underestimate is he ability to juke u out of your shoes; although he's not built like Steven Jackson at all, he reminds me of him with his combination of power and quick feet; i think this guy will surprise many in the NFL (EDIT: I'm not saying Steven Jackson and PJ Daniels run similarly, cause IMO they're far from similar in terms of running style. just saying they're both somewhat unique with their combination of power and quick feet)

WR - Jason Avant - Michigan

TE - Matt Herian - Nebraska

OT - Marcus McNeil - Auburn; many already know this guy is amazing, but i think he's the best lineman in the natoin - better than D'brick Ferguson (but nothing against Ferguson). In all the plays I've watched him this year and last, i;ve never seen him miss his assignment, except for when he goes downfield to block, an area which he can improve upon. for his size, he moves unbelievably well
OT - Andrew Whitworth - LSU; extremely physical
OT - Daryn Colledge - Boise St

DE - Darryl Tapp - VaTech; very powerful. although he's undersized he's a very solid run supporter but he's known as a pass-rusher
DE - Elvis Dumerville - Louisville; his lack of height will hurt his draft staus, but this guy's obviously a true football player. even though he's small he can still run both through and around lineman

DT- Larry Dibbles - Texas; more physical than teammate DT Rodrique Wright. IMO will be a solid NFL DT. he's an undersized overachiever
DT - Jesse Mahelona - Tennessee

LB - Demeco Ryans - Alabama
LB - Will Derting - Wash St

CB/S - Jason Allen

Underclassmen:
QB - Chris Leak - Florida (2007)

RB - Reggie Bush - USC (2007); enough said
RB - Lorenzo Booker - Fla St

WR - James Banks - transfer from Tenn to Carson-Newman (2007); had problems as a teammate on Tennesse, but his raw talent is impressive; 2 years ago, he was Tennessee's leading WR

DT/DE - Ray McDonald - Florida (2007); this guy's inconsistent, but sometimes he just blows up plays that makes you say wow. He can move real well for DT or DE, and can add weight if needed. he just got injured this past week i think
DE - Loren Howard - transfer from NWestrn to AZ St (2007); injuries have bothered him but when healthy, i think he's the best DE in college football. His intensity is like that of Matt Roth, but what truly separates him is his combinatoin of quickness and raw power

LB - Ahamd Brooks - Virginia (2007); will most likely be a high 1st-rd pick this year
LB - Philip Wheeler - GT (2008); this guy right now as a sophomore is unkown to many, but in 2 years he will be one of the top LB prospects in the nation. he's extremely explosive
LB - Nick Roach - Northwestern (2007); very athletic and when Sr ILB Adam Kadela leaves, Roach will begin to get the deserving attention


Overrated Players:

DE - Eric Henderson - GaTech; this guy is small, not that quick, and is often taken out of the play real early as he can't disengage when lineman get their hands on him. he is a tough player though


QB - Omar Jacobs - Bowling Green; i've never seen a more overhyped small-school QB than Omar Jacobs. The guy is well-built for his position and he's obviously an effective college QB. But beyond that he is far from special. The hype around this kid results completely from him being a product of his spread offense, QB-friendly system and his charisma on the field.

If you watch him play, he is not too accurate, his timing is not necessarily impressive (he way too often underthrows the deep ball for an elite QB prospect, or he throws a little behind his target), and his arm (to some people's surprise) is really not that strong at all.

Jacobs falls into the category of Timmy Chang, BJ Symons, Josh Harris (former Bowling Green QB), etc. All these guys were extremely effective college QB's b/c of their system who lacked NFL ability. In fact, do u guys remember 6'3, 238 lb. Josh Harris from a few years ago? remember how high some people were on this kid? His Sr year he threw for over 3,800 yds, rushed for 830 yds, completed 66% of his passes, 27 TD's and 12 ints. He was a late-rd draft pick. Now, quietly, he is out of the NFL.

While Jacobs obviously has impressive statistics, this does not mean that much. It can be deceiving. For example, for anyone who saw the Bowling Green vs Boise St game, Boise St.'s defense made Jacobs look extremely unimpressive. Jacobs forced way too many passes. He telegraphed his throws and obviously had a hard time checking down his reads against Boise St's zone D. He threw into traffic way too often. Overall, he played a very bad game. Yet, if you look at his stats from that game, they're pretty impressive: 18-36, 220 yds, 3 TD's, 0 ints. But, anyone who watched the game knows Jacobs' stats here don't reflect the true game he played as he played much worse than his stats would indicate.

Lastly, (and i saved this for last b/c to some people it's not important at all) his release is maybe the most unorthodox i've ever seen for a supposed Heisman-contender/NFL QB prospect. It's extremely long and inefficient. Not to mention, he practicly releases the ball on his shoulder, increasing the chance for the ball to be batted down at the line.

But, anyway, completely disregarding his atrocious release, he does not have much upside for the NFL. I have read that he can be a 1st rd draft pick next year if not his year, but i wholeheartedly disagree. In fact, whether he goes to the draft this year or next, he should not be a 1st-day pick. I expect his stock to fall during pre-draft workouts, etc. and i would be surprised if he is anything other than a late-rd pick.
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Watched him play twice in rainy bad weather, but was not impressed, would like to see him play in decent weather.
 
Don't hate on Omar. I like Omar Jacobs, I've actually seen him play, unlike most of you hatewaggoners. He puts great touch on his passes, he is very mobile, and he DOES have good arm strength.

He is ranked above your BELOVED Cutler everywhere I look.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/qb.html

http://www.draftconnection.com/nfl/players/quarterbacks.php

and the half the sites with Cutler @ the #2 QB spot don't have Jacobs in their rankings because he hasnt declared yet. And we all know he will because of the high demand this year.
 
phins4gish said:
Don't hate on Omar. I like Omar Jacobs, I've actually seen him play, unlike most of you hatewaggoners. He puts great touch on his passes, he is very mobile, and he DOES have good arm strength.

He is ranked above your BELOVED Cutler everywhere I look.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/qb.html

http://www.draftconnection.com/nfl/players/quarterbacks.php

and the half the sites with Cutler @ the #2 QB spot don't have Jacobs in their rankings because he hasnt declared yet. And we all know he will because of the high demand this year.
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those are old rankings. if jacobs declares he'll be ranked MUCH lower than cutler
 
killswitch said:
Please shut up and don't tell me if i've seen him play more than once or not. I wouldn't make a post like that on a player I've only seen play once. This year I've seen him against Wisconsin, Miami (OH), and Boise St and last year I saw him in his bowl game against Memphis and against Oklahoma to start the year off, not to mention all the other countless clips and parts of games I've watched him in.

Listen...Jacobs' stats are impressive without question. Many others have put up amazing numbers in similar offenses, but not quite as good as Jacobs's, and I'll give him that. But, in judging his actual play on the field and not completely by his inflated statistics, he comes no where close to matching his hype that people like you create. I've already stated why I believe this. and btw, in addition to the Wisconsin game and Boise St game where he was unimpressive, his stats made his game against Memphis last year look better than he really played. The 5 TD's in that game jumps out at u on the stat line, but what about his 18 incompleteions. A lot of time with Jacobs, in that game I remember as well, he wont hit his WR in stride, but he'll still make the completion, so it won't look as bad. and thata's where the system he's in helps out, as he's generally given a relatively large room for error as the field is spread open.

I really can't wait till his draft stock plummets like I'm predicting before the draft (if he declares for this year). Then when he does nothing in the NFL, I remind you about what I said
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So you say you saw him against Wisconsin which he played a great game and showed his potential on a national stage against a superior opponent.The Miami game was his first game back from a separated shoulder and he was a late decision for even that game, and he didn't play spectacular but solid enough to blow out the Redhawks. Some how you managed to see the Oklahoma game which wasn't even televised and I really doubt you bought college gameplan just to watch Bowling Green games so I'm not too sure about that one my man.

Then your going to knock him for throwing 18 incompletions against a tough Memphis team where BG's strategy was to be as agressive as possible and keep the ball out of DeAngelo Williams hands. I guess throwing 5 td's isn't enough for some people, and I can't recall any of thm being goaline passes, because the team typically runs in the redzone.

He dosn't hit his recievers in stride. The offense is created to find holes in the zone and use Omar's accuracy to put it there. He is not supposed to be hitting them in stride, but instead where they can make the completion and get the first down. The places he is thowing the ball on crossing routes and such, if you don't put the ball in the recievers body you're hanging them out to get layed out. On playes such as seams and fades he puts the ball right on them in stride, its the crossing routes he throws into their body. It is not like his amazing WR core is hauling in all these horirble passes and making him look great, he throws a catchable ball every time.

I think his draft stock already dropped as much as it will because of this seasons injuries and what have you. The only place it can go would be up. Again, I'm not toting him to be the next Marino or anything like that, but the points you make against him are invalid and are just helping to misinform people that have not seen him about a great football player. He was raved about as a possible 1st rounder this year for a reason, and even though he hit some speedbumps he has the potential that some NFL GM is going to jump all over.

Oh yea, if he does get drafted on the first day and prove he can be effective in this leauge, I'll remind you what I said, and have been saying for well over a year.
 
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