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Michael Egnew...

Well it wouldn't be the first time we blew a third round pick.

Since Ireland took over, our third round picks are:

Langford (solid but he's not with us anymore)
Patrick Turner (Egnew is following his career path)
John Jerry (will be lucky to make the team)
Oliver Vernom
Egnew

Not to mention we blew it on some second rounders when we could have had Gronkowski or Jimmy Graham.
 
Langford was a 4th round pick. Vernon is still a question mark. Other than those two I completely agree with you, our drafting 2-5 is typically pathetic.

And you can't sit there and talk about Graham and Gronkowski in hindsight. Every single team can do that.

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Hardknock is not watched by millions of people, just to be a specific douchenozzle.

(The ratings are typically somewhere in the 800,000 range)
 
Oh yeah I forgot to mention, I don't even think Turner made the team in his rookie year, and he was cut the next year. Egnew might go through the same.
 
Langford was a third round pick, pick 66. And yes I can sit here and talk about Graham and Gronkowski, it was a HUGE need for our team, TE's been a need for a while now and lots here was calling for either of them two.
 
hooshoops said:
there's another part to this also...the oc is calling you terrible and i'd cut you your position coach is cussing you out pretty much why in gods name are you not giving max effort to the whistle every play??? i mean do you want to be out of the league...pro football doesn't wait long...talent can only get you so far not that this kid has elite talent anyways...his effort should be there above all else...

he plays a bad position to be timid in i can tell ya that...i understand you played a finesse soft game in college hell i called him out for it reviewing his missouri stuff but you're in the big leagues now...step up or step out...i still can't fathom why they ever thought this kid would block in line though or separate down the field in coverage...and how they didn't view that conference and offense as doing him a major favor as a player and production wise...
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My biggest worry is that Ireland had this kid rated higher than all the WRs left on the board. So in Ireland's rating Egnew is better than Mohamed Sanu, T.Y. Hilton, Chris Givens, Joe Adams, Jarius Wright, Greg Childs and Marvin Jones...all WRs I would have taken well before Egnew...heck Marvin Jones was a 5th round pick (166th overall) that we could have taken instead of Josh Kaddu.

Every other GM in the league that takes a QB early takes a WR early as well or has one on the team that can help the kid. Matt Ryan had Roddy White already on the team and they traded for Tony Gonzalez and picked up Michael Turner, Joe Flacco had Derrick Mason and traded for Anquan Boldin, Matthew Stafford had Calvin Johnson already on the team, Mark Sanchez got Braylon Edwards via trade, Thomas Jones to take the pressure off of him, Sam Bradford is the one exception and we've seen how his career has gone. Actually until this year Bradford had not had a WR on his team that was drafted in the first 3 rounds and I think that's really hurt him along with 3 OCs in 3 years. Even Tim Tebow got Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker and Tebow can't even throw the ball. Cam Newton had Steve Smith, Andy Dalton got A.J. Green....see the pattern?

I don't think Ireland places enough value on the WR position and it seems pretty clear he doesn't know how to evaluate the WR position.
 
Fin Thirteen said:
You want an example? See my previous post. The guy got his face rubbed in his own performances in front of MILLIONS of people and instead of tearing it up against Carolina (the way Clay responded) he had dropped catches, made no impression and was eventually encouraged to go out and make, wait for it, one block.
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So your example...happened a WEEK later? So from the moment Mike Sherman yells at him, he's no longer allowed to make any mistakes, or else he's referred to a guy that responds poorly to hard coaching? He got yelled at by Mike Sherman so now magically he's no longer a rookie expected to make rookie mistakes?

I'm sorry but I just don't think that argument holds any water.

I like him, I always said he could block, if you want to go back and read my posts around draft time, but I think he is not responding to the sharp critical focus he faces very well. It could be that he's used to being the stud and needs time to adjust to having to work his ass off for a living. I hope so.
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I think if you liked him then at this point you have very few reasons to suddenly not like the guy. I mean read through the criticisms in this thread and then take a step back, all you can do is laugh. The guy's face isn't right when he's being yelled at? Really? So if grit his teeth and growled like a pirate after being yelled at suddenly he wouldn't be a bust? LOL. I'm telling you they showed it right there in the Carolina game, he made a mistake, an easy one to make if you have his background, he got yelled at, and he came back out there and responded. That's EXACTLY what you say you want to see, and I don't know why you're not acknowledging it as such.
 
Crazy685 said:
Langford was a 4th round pick. Vernon is still a question mark. Other than those two I completely agree with you, our drafting 2-5 is typically pathetic.

And you can't sit there and talk about Graham and Gronkowski in hindsight. Every single team can do that.
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I get what you're saying but in this case I think it is absolutely an apropos argument to make. Why? Because Graham was a 3rd round pick and Gronk was a 2nd round pick and Egnew is also a 3rd round pick. Fact of the matter is if you were watching Jimmy Graham this early in his Saints career, you would be unimpressed. Same with Gronk, who was very clearly being outshined by Aaron Hernandez at this stage.

My argument is that whatever you thought about the guy as a 3rd round pick coming out should be what you think of the guy now because nothing needle-moving has happened. Would you agree with that?

Hardknock is not watched by millions of people, just to be a specific douchenozzle.

(The ratings are typically somewhere in the 800,000 range)
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While we're being specific douchenozzles, the second episode of Hard Knocks had over a million viewers and when you account for viewers that end up watching re-airings you probably do get over the two million mark, so "millions" isn't as inaccurate as you'd think. ;)
 
datruth55 said:
My biggest worry is that Ireland had this kid rated higher than all the WRs left on the board. So in Ireland's rating Egnew is better than Mohamed Sanu, T.Y. Hilton, Chris Givens, Joe Adams, Jarius Wright, Greg Childs and Marvin Jones...all WRs I would have taken well before Egnew...heck Marvin Jones was a 5th round pick (166th overall) that we could have taken instead of Josh Kaddu.
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That surprised me. And yeah I would be a little concerned with that even if I did like Egnew as a late 3rd round prospect.
 
The irony of this situation is that if Hard Knocks were not happening right now and I were to just do film cut ups of ALL of Michael Egnew's preseason snaps, the threads being created about him would be more positive than negative.

That's the irony of this situation.

Because on film I doubt anyone here could even pick out the play that Dan Campbell yelled at him for not blocking. It would be interesting to me to see if anyone here could actually pick that play out, if it wasn't pointed out to them. But if people were focusing on Egnew specifically, you damn well would be able to pick out the play where he knocked that DB into tomorrow. That one would stand out to you. And as far as catching the football goes, you'd have three catches for 43 yards versus two drops. One of those catches, a 31 yarder, was really an incredible catch where he showed fantastic concentration on the ball after the tip. Another of the catches was a good low grab on a ball that was placed poorly at his knees. The third catch was a nice catch in traffic with two defenders on him immediately. Then he's got the two drops. One is a BAD drop right up the seam. The other was a quick rock back and throw where Devlin threw the football to the wrong shoulder and the ball was on Egnew before he could adjust to the poorly placed ball.

People would look at that, and they would see the other plays where he's getting open up the seam because he's tall and athletic, plays where he's blocking defensive ends and looking pretty good doing it...and you know what they'd say?

They'd say Michael Egnew is having a pretty good preseason.

But because he gets yelled at by coaches on Hard Knocks (Fasano recently suggested that the coaches are yelling at everyone, Hard Knocks seems to only focus on a few), and because he doesn't have a good pirate-face when he gets yelled at, Michael Egnew is about to get cut. Gotta love it.
 
I think coach Campbell is hard on him because he sees something in him, I don't doubt in the upcoming Hard Knocks episodes we will be hearing about Egnew's drastic improvement.
 
Jonny said:
I think coach Campbell is hard on him because he sees something in him, I don't doubt in the upcoming Hard Knocks episodes we will be hearing about Egnew's drastic improvement.
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In my opinion he's hard on him because Egnew's more receiver than blocker, whereas when Campbell played he was a blocking specialist. Campbell is a gritty, tough-nosed, blocking type of guy. A Sparano hire. I think he takes it personally when a tight end in his unit isn't very good at blocking. You'll probably never see Charles Clay get above Anthony Fasano on Dan Campbell's depth chart, no matter what plays Clay makes in the passing game, for example. Campbell adores Anthony Fasano because Fasano blocks like he used to block.

But I also agree with you that they're being hard on him because they have high hopes for him.

Incidentally, they never did Hard Knocks on the 49ers but they did do several inside training camp type pieces back when Vernon Davis was a rookie and the 49ers were at least as hard on Davis as they've been on Egnew. That lasted for years, too.
 
It's funny to me how the cattle (public) is swayed so easily by what Hard Knocks wants to focus on.

I'm certain that EVERY rookie has moments they get chewed out....
But, it makes for more dramatic TV to focus on a small selection of players and follow their storyline.

Hard Knocks also focused on Egnew redeeming himself and improving by making a good catch & block after messing up and getting chewed out...
Watch for more of this going forward..........and we'll see much less griping about Egnew here, and more positive comments...
Gotta love the cattle....
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One thing we've seen with Egnew so far is that while he's dropped a lot of balls, we never would have noticed it if he wasn't getting open. The kids had as many balls thown his way in the first two games as anybody, so while he isn't getting wide open, he is getting into windows the QB can throw to. If he starts pullng them down with consistency his story changes. Jimmy Grahams first two games at TE for UM in college were even worse than what Egnew has shown as a rook in the NFL, and we see how he's turned out as a reciever. The kid deserves a little time to see if his problem right now isn't just rookie jitters, and learning to be a pro. As others have noted, he'll never be an all-pro blocking TE, but he deserves a bit of time to develop.
 
After the last episode of Hard Knocks I'm convinced Hoops is Mike Sherman ;-)
 
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