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Pure troll. Nothing but trash.
 
The Fins coaching staff is a bigger problem than the players. I want better coaches!
 
Pure troll. Nothing but trash.

Thanks!

When OP posts threads like this that are outlandish and contain poor moves all over the place, what else is there to be said? And then calls it "substantial reality." It's like someone else calling themselves a "stable genius." See the connection?

If you'd like I can make my own offseason plan, but I don't think that highly of myself to think that anyone gives a **** about my offseason plan opinion.
 
This scenario will be based primarily on these foundational realities.

Tannehill will be QB. Jarvis Landry will be a Chicago Bear. Dolphins defense remains and Kiko is a starter. No wait. The Dolphins have an extremely difficult salary cap situation. Free agent boons may have to wait until next year. They will want their comp picks for Landry and Hayes.

Look for the Dolphins to sign cap casualties to fill in some roster spots, but they will want to engineer a cap rollover for the 2019 off season when they go for broke.

Tannehill will be mediocre as always and fans should stop thinking he still has room for improvement. That is not reality.

Dolphins free agents: It is doubtful that the Dolphins bring back many free agents except for their ERFA's because there just isn't money to bring back guys like Michael Thomas,Damien Williams, or Walt Aikens .

Dolphins will of course release Julius Thomas and Lawrence Timmons and rework whatever contracts they can to get a little flexibility. Fasano gets one more year. He's cheap and can still run block like no one else.

I think when the defensive staff gets together and examines last year's film they WILL realize that Kiko can't cover , and so I am projecting that TJ McDonald will move full time to the LB position and actually play more snaps next year than Kiko. Roto lists TJ at 6'2" 223, but he is actually closer to 6'3" and he has arms over 33 inches. He may add some upper body weight to to get stronger and improve his ability to shed blocks but he is already bigger than most of the other hybrids out there like Telvin Smith,Deonne Buchanon,Shaq Thompson,etc.

Ju'Wuan James: I think the Dolphins will just have to the roll the dice with this one and keep him on his 5th year option into the league year and then hope to trade him. I believe the general consensus is that the Dolphins are sure they have a replacement or two or three at the RT position. James is well thought of around the league and was ranked second in the NFL by PFF among RT's before getting injured. He is also just 25 years old. Getting good compensation for him should be a lock. Why??

The market. The OT tackle market could not possibly be better. Even if Nate Solder makes free agency he is getting old and after him there is virtually a complete dearth of starters available at either left or right tackle. The league is just filthy with OT needy teams. Perfect time to have an expendable starting OT.

In a different market I would say maybe a 3rd, considering the need to sign him to a long term contract, but in this market a high 2nd would be a conservative guess. The oft mentioned Browns with their 5 picks in the first two rounds would actually probably love to add James to their already nearly ALL PRO OL. RT was the one weak spot and they could lock that up for the next 6 years with a Bulaga type deal for James. With well over 100 mil in cap, the contract is a drop in the bucket to the Browns.

Dolphins get pick# 35

DeMarco Murray RB is going to be a cap casualty and I expect the Dolphins to be all over that one. I see him as a perfect RB in a Dolphins committee. He is an excellent receiver.

Defensive Back Vontae Davis has already been cut and I have said for years that his best position would be be free safety. I see him being just as good or better than Devin McCourty. Davis is thirty now and will not command a high salary. Contrary to popular belief, Davis isn't stupid, he is actually highly intelligent and would have little difficulty learning the nuances of safety, as long as he is sober.

Slot WR Randall Cobb is as good as gone considering the deal they gave Devantae Adams. Cobb isn't close to what he once was but I'm not ruling out a comeback season for him. He won't command a a big contract and may even have to accept a one year deal. Dolphins take a flier.

TE Coby Fleener won't be back with the Saints. He is a concussion waiting to happen, but he is legitimate talent at a position of need and he isn't getting another big contract.

I have PFF's signature stats for 2017 and I have spent over a hundred hours blowing up my mind on endless numbers. Anyway, these aren't just wild guesses.

Draft:
#11 Trade down and garner two 2nd rounders and a 5th from Jacksonville. Jaguars cut Bortles and save a clean 19 mil in cap. They love the kid from Wyoming and he is there at 11. Then draft Mason Rudolph at #29 who I think is better.
#35 RB Rashad Penny Dominated PFF's stats
#42 OL Frank Ragnow Will compete with Ted Larson at RG until the passing of Pouncey. Ragnow was PFF's highest rated OL last year. He projects to start immediately.
#61 Wyatt Teller LG Crazy good guard if he is really there at this pick.

3rd trade down a few and add a 5th..... MLB Nick DeLuca I have him the top ILB in this class. He slides because of small school bias and legitimate durability issues. I have seen every game he played in at NDSU and this guy is the picture that should form in your mind when you here the word playmaker.
4th WR Trey Quinn Filled up PFF's stats like no other WR out there. Best hands in college football. As rock solid as it gets. Probably beats out Cobb before the year ends. Landry would not be missed.
4th Mike Gesicki TE...
5th Donte Jackson CB Might run a 4.2 Wouldn't matter much. He is a project and a special teamer.
5th Godwin Ikweibuke safety
6th Trequan Smith WR One of PFF's top rated deep threats
7th Brian Womac OLB/DE How many sacks?
7th Davontae Harris DB Golden. This is draft value right here
7th Joe Ostman DE/LB/ST's How many sacks?
URFA's
Tee Simms DE PFF's highest rated pass rusher
Nic Shimonek QB
Logan Woodside QB
Punter Ryan Winslow
DT Kevon Perry
RB Jamal Morrow
RB Ralph Webb
DB Dee Delaney
OL David Bright
OC Trey Martin
LB Jonathan Peterson
DL Jullian Taylor

Roster:
QB.....Tannehill,Rudolph.....PS Shimonek and Woodside
WR....Parker,Stills,Cobb,Trey Quinn,Grant,Trequan Smith
RB.....Penny,Drake,Murray,Webb
TE.....Fleener,Fasano,Gesecki,Gray
OT...Tunsil,Jesse Davis, Eric Smith,Zach Sterup,David Bright
OG...Frank Ragnow,Wyatt Teller,Ted Larson
OC...Pouncey,Brendel,Trey Martin

DT...Suh,Phillips,Godcheaux,Taylor,Perry
DE...Wake,Branch,Harris,Womac,Ostman,Simms,Jullian Taylor
MLB...DeLuca,Chase Anderson
Will...TJ McDonald,Kiko,Hull
Sam...Raekwon McMillan,Stephone Anthony,Jonathan Peterson
Safety....Jones,Vontae Davis,Godwin Ikweibuke,Jordan Lucas,Dee Delaney
CB....Tankersley,Tony Lippett,Bobby McCain,Xavien Howard,Donte Jackson,Davontae Harris,Tory McTyre
Punter..Ryan Winslow
Kicker...Parkey
LS...Denney


Dennis Hickey, is that you?

It's taking a huge risk to shore up depth like this without coming home with an impact starter on day 1. Our special teams unit doesn't need the help, frankly. The more seasons go by, the more I think the best way to draft is just to collect blue chip talent at the top. Once you have the nucleus of talent to form the framework, then you can start casting a broader net ala the Patriots. We don't have the talent or the personality to anchor solid development from midround projects. It's never worked down here.
 
I'll give it a Like for so much effort, regardless of what I agree with.

A couple of points:

* Tannehill if healthy will be better in 2018 than you project. It figures to be an uptick season for the entire team after dropping from 10 wins to 6. So that will attach to the quarterback and mostly everything else. Likewise if Tannehill had been healthy in 2017 he would have had a disappointing season compared to expectation

* Rashaad Penny is one of my favorite college players on one of my favorite college teams. But he shouldn't be the 35th pick in any draft. Penny is instinctive with his eyes but his lower body is somewhat stiff and doesn't always cooperate. Sometimes it's not obvious how stiff his legs are until he breaks into the open and he's mostly standing straight up with his legs being dragged along...not much knee bend.
 
I'll give it a Like for so much effort, regardless of what I agree with.

A couple of points:

* Tannehill if healthy will be better in 2018 than you project. It figures to be an uptick season for the entire team after dropping from 10 wins to 6. So that will attach to the quarterback and mostly everything else. Likewise if Tannehill had been healthy in 2017 he would have had a disappointing season compared to expectation

* Rashaad Penny is one of my favorite college players on one of my favorite college teams. But he shouldn't be the 35th pick in any draft. Penny is instinctive with his eyes but his lower body is somewhat stiff and doesn't always cooperate. Sometimes it's not obvious how stiff his legs are until he breaks into the open and he's mostly standing straight up with his legs being dragged along...not much knee bend.

Which stat gets you 'instinctive with his eyes' and 'lower body is somewhat stiff'? Seems like more tape to me
 
With a line like this........ "I think when the defensive staff gets together and examines last year's film they WILL realize that Kiko can't cover",

It's odd to think the team needs to re-examine the film after living through the season from the inside, to get to where you are at in your thinking.
Is it possible they already know more than fans without the film.
 
I'll give it a Like for so much effort, regardless of what I agree with.

A couple of points:

* Tannehill if healthy will be better in 2018 than you project. It figures to be an uptick season for the entire team after dropping from 10 wins to 6. So that will attach to the quarterback and mostly everything else. Likewise if Tannehill had been healthy in 2017 he would have had a disappointing season compared to expectation

* Rashaad Penny is one of my favorite college players on one of my favorite college teams. But he shouldn't be the 35th pick in any draft. Penny is instinctive with his eyes but his lower body is somewhat stiff and doesn't always cooperate. Sometimes it's not obvious how stiff his legs are until he breaks into the open and he's mostly standing straight up with his legs being dragged along...not much knee bend.

Many Pundits are mocking QB to the Dolphins in the first round. Even Daniel Jeremiah Jeremiah just mocked Josh Allen to the Dolphins.

They agree with me that the time for continuing to expect Tannehill to improve is over.

Rashad Penny ranked 3rd in PFF's elusivity rating which tracks a RB's ability when it is all up to him. He did this with the fourth highest run after contact behind only Josh Adams,Harris,and Love.

Only Bryce Love and Damien Harris had higher elusivity ratings.

This is out of over a hundred players ranked.
 
With a line like this........ "I think when the defensive staff gets together and examines last year's film they WILL realize that Kiko can't cover",

It's odd to think the team needs to re-examine the film after living through the season from the inside, to get to where you are at in your thinking.
Is it possible they already know more than fans without the film.

Fans are meaningless. wth?

It is their job. It is the most important thing they do IMO. Different circumstances can affect each individual play. If they aren't scouring the tape and closely examining what each player is doing on every play, then they aren;t doing their job. There is only so much time for this during the season when game planning is the priority. The off season tape review and player evaluations determine the decisions that have to be made concerning any changes made in the off season during free agency and what the team needs are when the draft and rookie free agent time comes.
 
Already on the trade down talk. No thanks. A top ten talent will most likely fall into our lap because of the likely QB run.

There is no such thing as a,"top ten."

There never has been and there never will be.

One guys #7 is another guy's 2nd rounder.

Case in point: Harold Landry OLB/DE. He is being projected all over the place, and has been for months. He is by no means an anomaly. This kind of thing happens every year with a number of players.

A lot of fans get so wrapped up in the draft and their video games that they start turning draft projections into absolutes.

There is no standard grading system. There are only a several thousand Big Boards and all of them different.
 
There is no such thing as a,"top ten."

There never has been and there never will be.

One guys #7 is another guy's 2nd rounder.

Case in point: Harold Landry OLB/DE. He is being projected all over the place, and has been for months. He is by no means an anomaly. This kind of thing happens every year with a number of players.

A lot of fans get so wrapped up in the draft and their video games that they start turning draft projections into absolutes.

There is no standard grading system. There are only a several thousand Big Boards and all of them different.

Sick burn, bro. Look, I get it, it's really fun getting to hear the Dolphins name called more times on draft days. It's all the football we get for a couple months. But the reality is, as noted in my previous post where I completely shot down your argument, the top players go higher FAR more often. Draft boards vary from team to team based on schemes and varying levels of intelligence in the FO, but that doesn't change the FACT that the higher you pick, the higher the talent available. Trading down lessens the likelihood of landing

I appreciate the effort you put into the original post and I don't disagree with all of it, but arguments to trade down just for the sake of trading down make no sense. The only time trading down should be considered is if it involves a proven player in trade or while you are on the clock and there legitimately isn't a single player you feel is worth that pick. The likeliehood of either at 11 is minute.

That doesn't mean Tbum won't reach for some mediocre schlub at that spot, but that's a different discussion entirely.
 
There is no such thing as a,"top ten."

There never has been and there never will be.

One guys #7 is another guy's 2nd rounder.

Case in point: Harold Landry OLB/DE. He is being projected all over the place, and has been for months. He is by no means an anomaly. This kind of thing happens every year with a number of players.

A lot of fans get so wrapped up in the draft and their video games that they start turning draft projections into absolutes.

There is no standard grading system. There are only a several thousand Big Boards and all of them different.

Soooooo like you and this "substantial reality" thread?
 
Soooooo like you and this "substantial reality" thread?

You do realize with all this utter trash that you post, you are like the little boy who cried wolf.

Nobody pays any attention to what you post anymore. Your insults fall on deaf ears, and if you did happen to post something of substance, it would be glanced over.

Maybe you should give it a rest.
 
You do realize with all this utter trash that you post, you are like the little boy who cried wolf.

Nobody pays any attention to what you post anymore. Your insults fall on deaf ears, and if you did happen to post something of substance, it would be glanced over.

Maybe you should give it a rest.

Pot calling the kettle black, eh? So how many dollars have you contributed to this site over the years? Maybe instead of freely using this site's bandwith to post a plethora of these ridiculous threads (and attack posters who don't agree), you could donate $20 or more to a VIP membership. Then repeated threads like this would be somewhat justified.
 
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