Originally posted by Asphyx
Will you find that guy if you keep trotting Jay out there? NO!
We're unlikely to create a top 10 QB out of ether. These guys are generally known quantities.
Norv system requires an accurate QB not a strong armed one as Aikman and Johnson prove...Neither are what you call cannons for arms...Better than Jay maybe but then again who isn't?
I'm not certain Jeff Garcia has a better arm than Jay. I do think his accuracy is better. I would submit that Norv's system requires at least average for a NFL QB arm strength as well as accuracy. We agree that neither of these is a Jay strength.
Maybe if we got rid of Jay there would be room on the roster to bring someone else in and give them a chance!
We have room to do that now. We have AJ, and we can get rid of Sage easily right now and achieve real cap savings (around $300k vs. $5k for Jay right now).
You don't seem to want to do that! And what about being 22nd in passing is that much better than being 26th...A whole 221 yards better? That is what makes you RATHER change a System than a QB?
Maybe we should have stuck with Lamar and changed the system since he was only off 200 yards off his previous year too...
Let's put it this way -- I wouldn't have wanted to go with Curtis Keaton at RB and get rid of Lamar Smith. We had good reason to believe Ricky would be an upgrade. Hell, I think we had good reason to think that a Minor/another guy rotation would have been an upgrade.
I want to be clear that I would be very happy to see somebody beat Jay out. It would only be a good thing. Jay represents 2 games out of 3 won and a 20-something ranked game. I'm all for anybody who can improve on that. 3 out of 4 and a top 15 offense would be outstanding in my book. :)
You keep saying Chan did better but it came down to a whole 13 yards better or a first down per game!
For that we should change a top offensive system and not the QB....
I don't think we should change the QB for the sake of changing the QB. It should only happen when we have somebody better. As far as Norv goes, yes, it was his job to get that extra 13 yards or anything else he could get. I would have to hope that it would be more than 13 yards given the entry of Ricky, an experienced Chambers, and Randy McMichael, though.
And your worried that another QB would be worse? What is the sense of having a QB who can only throw screens?
This mischaracterized what was said. I don't want only screens (that was IIRC all Huard was capable of). I just don't see the evil in running as many of them as Chan did with Jay.
Not only do you want him here you want him to be the starter...Anyone who wants Jay to be here is a jaybot!
You really need to get over this hysterical stuff and understand that I do not want Jay to be our starter unless there is no better alternative.
Anyoine who makes excuses for Jay and blames the rest of the team is a Jaybot...Anyone who thinks we can make the playoffs with Jay is a Jaybot!
You're arguing with history now. We HAVE made the playoffs with Jay. It can happen again. In fact, we have been a tiebreaker away each of the past two years. Give that thought.
Given 4 years anyone of them would have eventually learned the system and done better than Jay...but lets for now just say SAGE....
Why not say Jim Druckenmiller, man? I know there are a couple of other hard core Sage guys on this board, but I think you're the entire Sage fan club. The guy has apparently shown the coaching staff nothing to even suggest he is capable of being the backup. I won't entertain Sage any more than I entertained Damon Huard.
If there was an answer to my question, I believe it was Brian Griese. If your question was why Jay and not Brian this year, I think it's a good one. The only explanation I can offer is that Brian is like Kurt Warner and Kerry Collins -- guys you don't want behind a questionable line. The problem with that explanation is that we're not certain how good this line will be at the start of the season. They might gel quickly and be at least average right from the start, or it may be an 8 game struggle before things fall into place.
Now show me some numbers that prove Sage is not as good as Jay....I dare you!
I can't show you numbers about Sage any more than I can show numbers about me being better or worse than Jay. Dude doesn't play. I guess there may be some preseason numbers or something, but I have no idea where to get them. I also think it's really tricky to interpret preseason numbers due to the very nature of the preseason. Defenses are vanilla, and it's tough to go back and determine whether the QB was facing the first team D or backups.
Because he is holding back this team from it's destiny as a SB entrant!
You could make a good faith argument that Peyton Manning's poor play against New England did the same to the Colts this year.
My point there is not that Fiedler=Manning. It's that even Dan had considerable trouble getting the team to that "destiny". Even if we had Peyton Manning, the Super Bowl appearance is far from a sure thing. A team has to have that special something that you often don't even see until the playoffs to get that done.
So who do you care more about? One player or the REST of the team who IS performing and winning all those games you claim Jay wins for us?
I think we all care about all the players and don't want to see this team end up destructing due to a bad losing season. Jay is insurance that this doesn't happen. A lot of us want that insurance policy while we look for the guy who can do better than Jay.
