nyjunc said:you beat the 6-10 Bills and 6-10 Jets, you didn't keep either out.
Well it's always a pleasure to beat you and the jills. :evil:
nyjunc said:you beat the 6-10 Bills and 6-10 Jets, you didn't keep either out.
FinfanInBuffalo said:What does that have to do with anything? You still were talking about the wrong game and you were wrong about the week 16 game being meaningless.
You are one of the people who most often criticizes the Fins for missing the playoffs in recent seasons. The Jets have merely been more fortunate recently. Take away their playoff appearances at 10-6 and 9-7 and you don't have much left.
nyjunc said:The bottom line is we have 2 PO appearances since 2002 and you have none. Congrats on the "winning season" w/ missing the playoffs- we have 2 of those since '97. If I say we were clsoe that's ok? that's better than you making the playoffs those 2 years?
nyjunc said:You are complaining about 1 game in OCTOBER. Get real, we can play the what if game too for alot of years.
FinfanInBuffalo said:Does that make up for your 40 years of sucking? Does it make up for sucking (again) last season? Will it make up for sucking again this season?
You want to focus on recent seasons? How about just focusing on last season then? All the rest are ancient history. We're better. The Jets suck.
You get touchy when you are proven wrong.....
You missed the entire point I was making about that game anyway. My point was that the coach did everything he could and some fans still wanted to put the blame on him rather than on the kicker where it belonged.
nyjunc said:it's ancient history when we were bad every year. we have been at worst playoff contenders(if not more) in 7 of the last 9 seasons. you guys haven't even made the playoffs in 5 years, get relevant would you?
nyjunc said:Whose to think someone would be complaining about an october game as to why they missed the playoffs?
nyjunc said:Ok, I didn't see that particular game so I don't know all the details but I agree. As a Jet fan most hated Herm and every loss we had they'd blame him then every win we had they'd credit the players, the DC , anyone but Herm.
4-12 relevant enough for you? How about 2 out of the last 3 years below .500? You want to sta recent, but not too recent......
Every one of the 16 games counts the same. Where you lose is not relevant. This just happened to be one that the Fins had won, against the eventual SB champs. The point is that two of the non playoff years you like to talk about, the Fins were a good team. Equating the 2003 Fins and 2003 Jets because they both missed the playoffs is ridiculous.
Sounds like fin fans and Wanny
it's ancient history when we were bad every year. we have been at worst playoff contenders(if not more) in 7 of the last 9 seasons.
If having an 8-8 record or better makes you a playoff contender, then the Dolphins have been “At worst playoff contenders (if not more) in†32 out of the last 35 seasons.
The Jets made the playoffs in 2001 at 10-6, and in 2002 at 9-7 while the Dolphins missed the playoffs in 2002 and 2003 with the same 10-6 and 9-7 records. You can say the dolphins have missed the playoffs the last four seasons and the Jets made it twice in the last four seasons, but that could have easily gone the other way.
We had one bad season when Ricky quit, but the other years our records were good. Missing the playoffs was just plain bad luck.
Here is a fun fact, out of the four times that the Jets have made the playoffs in the last 10 years, only once did they have a record better than 10-6. 10-6 was the record we had when we missed the playoffs in 2003.
By your standard we have been 7 of 9 years, realistically even though we msised by a game in '99 we were not since we were eliminated going into the last week but you told me you were a playoff contender last year and in '03 even though you were out by Week 17.
we won the games we had to while you did not. The bottom line is we made it, you didn't.
bad luck blowing the the last 2 games of '02? bad luck getting shut at NE and losing at home to Philly in '03? or bad luck starting 3-7 and vitually being eliminated before you ever had a chance in '05?
Here is an even more fun fact, Miami has not made the playoffs since the 2001 season and has not won a playoff game since the 2000 season. The Jets have been 3 times since '01 and have 2 playoff wins.
You must have me confused with someone else. I never said we were a playoff contender in 2005, even though I think we were towards the end of the season. I would say that we were a contender in 2003 though. We were in the playoff race up until the last game of the season.
In 2004 The Jets lost the last two games of the season just like the Phins in 02. The Jets were lucky that the other teams competing for a wild card spot were weak teams.
In 2002 the Jets did play well the last game of the season against the Packers to win the division, but if the AFC teams were stronger like they were in 03 when the phins missed the playoffs, the Jets would not have made it.
No, it was bad luck that we won 10 games and did not make the playoffs. It was bad luck that the other team competing for a wild card spot that year had a record of 12-4. (not 9-7 like in 2004 when the Jets made it.) It was bad luck that Fiedler broke his thumb. It was bad luck that we had Ray Lucas as our backup. It was bad luck that a 75 year old kicker makes a 50+ yard field goal to beat us at the end of the game. It was bad luck to have Dave as our head coach, which cost us the game at NE.
Congrats on making the playoffs twice in 4 years. You guys did play well in the 2004 playoffs. It will be fun to see who wins more playoff games in the next few years.
The jets put themselevs in position where they didn't have to win in Week 17, the dolphins didn't do that. In '03 there were alot of teams w/ good records but alot w/ bad while in '04 it was mroe balanced. in '03 you were the only team w/ a winning record not to make the playoffs while in '04 3 teams w/ winning records missed the playoffs. '04 was more competitive and we did what we had to do to hold off other teams.
Don't let records fool you, the 2002 Jets were alot better than the 2003 dolphins. I think the '02 dolphins were better than the '03 dolphins but both of our teams had serious injury problems that cost us each at least 2-3 games. Also in '02 just like '04 the AFC was better top to bottom making it more difficult to make the playoffs, 4 teams over .500 missed the playoffs in '02 and the last place team in our div was at .500.
you won 10 but the last game was meaningless, we all know how that team performed under pressure and they barely beat us that day(a blown call kept the game out of OT).
now Fielder is improtant? mosyt dolphin fans say fielder held you back.
we went 6-3 w/ ray Lucas at QB in 1999.
We'll be back and I think we'll both be good and battling for a few years. I think you'll have the upper hand this year but next year and beyond it will be evry tight again as it has been most of the lst decade.
nyjunc said:you were eliminated in Week 16 so you weren't in the race until the end.
nyjunc said:'04 was more competitive and we did what we had to do to hold off other teams.
nyjunc said:Don't let records fool you, the 2002 Jets were alot better than the 2003 dolphins. I think the '02 dolphins were better than the '03 dolphins but both of our teams had serious injury problems that cost us each at least 2-3 games.
nyjunc said:But good luckl you had 4 games against Buf and NYJ when we had 12 wins tw us, right? you won 10 but the last game was meaningless, we all know how that team performed under pressure and they barely beat us that day(a blown call kept the game out of OT).
nyjunc said:now Fielder is improtant? mosyt dolphin fans say fielder held you back.
nyjunc said:we went 6-3 w/ ray Lucas at QB in 1999.
nyjunc said:We'll be back and I think we'll both be good and battling for a few years. I think you'll have the upper hand this year but next year and beyond it will be evry tight again as it has been most of the lst decade.
The Jets put themselves in position by losing the last two games of the season, and by winning a total of 10 games? The truth is the Texans bailed you guys out when they beat the Jags in week 16. If the Jags beat the Texans like they should have, the Jets don’t make the playoffs.
In 04 there were more mediocre teams competing for the wild card than in 03. In 04 the second place teams in the AFC East, North, South and West were: 10-6 , 9-7 , 9-7, 10-6. Compared to 03 they were 10-6 , 8-8 , 12-4, 10-6.
There are two wild card spots up for grabs. If the second place teams in 04 had the records they did in 03, the Jets don’t make the playoffs. The Jets were fortunate that the teams in 04 were mediocre.
I would say that the teams in 02 were more average than anything. Oakland clinched a first round bye, and home field advantage with a record of 11-5.
The last game was not meaningless. If the Colts don’t give the game to the Broncos we make the playoffs.
We went over this. We were still in it when we played in week 16. We were eliminated Sunday night.
What? losing 3 out of you last 4? The truth is that you needed help and got it.
The Fins were the best team in the AFC until they lost their QB and both starting WRs in the Denver game.
Irrelevant. Different offense. Different teams. Different situation.