Who Do You Pound the Table For?

[SF Dolphin Fan]

The first 2 fo sho

I’d take both Lloyd or dean but do you know what FA is looking like for MLBs next season?

Hightower might be available. Another NE connection.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

You can never have enough pass rushers...

I know most boards as of now have him listed as a round 2 guy, and because of the depth at edge he may very well be. However, I'm beating the table for Jermaine Johnson II. I think after the combine and pro days he makes it into round one. He absolutely took over games at times this year. Pair him up with Phillips and Miami's pass rush will be scary. At FSU he played with his hand in the dirt and standing, at UGA he played some LB as well and looked fine dropping into coverage. He also switched sides for both with no issues or let down.

Did a quick check of his highlights. Lots of strip sacks in there.

You can never dismiss defense with Flores, especially if Miami can fix some offense holes in free agency.

 

[ONole1]

Did a quick check of his highlights. Lots of strip sacks in there.

You can never dismiss defense with Flores, especially if Miami can fix some offense holes in free agency.

I will say in the UF game I didn't see him give his all. At least it didn't look like it, but he was a force the entire season. He's probably going to be a second round pick because he only played one season of DIV 1 as a starter, but it was a hell of a season. Especially if Miami doesn't resign Ogbah they will be in the market for an edge guy early. The good thing is that it's a deep draft for edge.

 

[MiaFins31]

I just read a scouting report on Lloyd that praised him for his instincts and communication on defense. It talks about a play where Lloyd literally moves a DE inside prior to the snap and then flies to the ball to make the run stop. That sounds like someone Flores would have a hard time passing up. I've seen Lloyd mocked mostly late 1st, early 2nd.

Question...between Dean and Lloyd who do you all prefer? I know Lloyd's a little bigger.

Personally I’d take Dean. I get some Devin White vibes off him. A smaller guy for a LB but the dude can flat out run and I love LBs that can run side to side. Dean also shows elite instincts on his tape. Multiple times I saw him recognize formations and alignments and literally get to the ball by the time the ball carrier gets to the line of scrimmage.

Devin Lloyd has great instincts as well. Also a bigger guy and probably better against the run than Dean but what separates the 2 for me is Deans elite agility and speed.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

Personally I’d take Dean. I get some Devin White vibes off him. A smaller guy for a LB but the dude can flat out run and I love LBs that can run side to side. Dean also shows elite instincts on his tape. Multiple times I saw him recognize formations and alignments and literally get to the ball by the time the ball carrier gets to the line of scrimmage.

Devin Lloyd has great instincts as well. Also a bigger guy and probably better against the run than Dean but what separates the 2 for me is Deans elite agility and speed.

Without knowing what will happen in free agency, I could see Miami trading into the top 15 for Cross.

But, if the Dolphins take care of the offensive line in free agency, Lloyd or Dean could be targets.

It seems like Flores has been looking for that type of player since he got to Miami.

 

[Kebo]

I think Jordan Davis could be in play as well. 3-4 defense needs that immovable nose tackle.

 

[ckparrothead]

I didn't mean to insinuate Miami will get any crack at Evan Neal or Charles Cross with their SF pick. Would have to be a trade up. I'm just saying that's the position I see and those are the players I like at the position.

 

[LargoFin]

I ran composite ranking from several websites plus Kiper and McShay's top 30. Based on this we will have a chance at Jameson Williams and Treylon Burks with SF pick.

Comp. Rank	Composite Score	Name	Position	School	CBS 11/17	Sp.News 12/06	PFF 11/29	PFN 12/01	NFLdraftbuzz	Drafttek 12/11	Kiper Nov 2021	MsShay Dec 2021
1	1.9	Kayvon Thibodeaux	EDGE	ORE	2	1	2	1	4	2	1	2
2	2.9	Aidan Hutchinson	EDGE	MICH	7	2	1	3	3	1	5	1
3	3.0	Kyle Hamilton	S	ND	1	3	3	2	5	3	2	5
4	3.8	Evan Neal	OT	ALA	4	5	5	4	1	4	4	3
5	5.3	Derek Stingley	CB	LSU	3	4	4	10	9	5	3	4
6	10.9	Garrett Wilson	WR	OSU	8	14	8	11	10	9	16	11
7	11.6	Tyler Linderbaum	C	IOWA	5	8	6	9	18	17	13	17
8	12.0	George Karlaftis	EDGE	PUR	6	9	7	14	24	8	21	7
9	13.0	DeMarvin Leal	DT	TAMU	9	6	50	6	8	7	12	6
10	15.3	Matt Corral	QB	OLE	10	16	16	32	11	6		16
11	15.6	Drake London	WR	USC	23	26	22	15	7	13	7	12
12	16.1	Chris Olave	WR	OSU	16	10	23	13	20	11	22	14
13	16.8	Charles Cross	OT	MSSU	50	15	9	17	13	15	6	9
14	17.3	Ikem Ekwonu	OL	NCSU	12	11	10	12	19	29	17	28
15	18.4	Devin Lloyd	LB	UTAH	20	7	21	22	28	16	8	25
16	18.4	Kenyon Green	OG	TAMU	13	18	13	7	6	32		40
17	18.6	Jordan Davis	DT	UGA	19	19	27	8	15	20		22
18	19.1	David Ojabo	EDGE	MICH	50	13	15	18	16	12	10	19
19	19.9	Kenny Pickett	QB	PITT	15	21	20	42	12	14	20	15
20	21.0	Nacobe Dean	LB	UGA	50	24	11	23	21	22	9	8
21	22.0	Ahmad Gardner	CB	UGA	17	23	26	20	37	10		21
22	22.0	Jameson Williams	WR	ALA	24	52	14	33	2	30	11	10
23	23.4	Andrew Booth	CB	CLE	11	17	34	5	42	25		30
24	24.3	Kaiir Elam	CB	UF	50	12	17	16	14	48	19	18
25	26.0	Treylon Burks	WR	ARK	22	30	30	21	30	24	24	27
26	31.1	Roger McCreary	CB	AUB	50	20	18	60	31	26		13
27	32.0	Kingsley Enagbare	EDGE	SC	21	60	25	29	17	40
28	32.1	Jahan Dotson	WR	PSU	18	50	38	34	44	39	14	20
29	33.3	Trent McDuffie	CB	UW	50	25	12	25	22	59		40
30	35.6	Trevor Penning	OT	UNI	50	29	33	37	25	70	15	26
31	35.7	Jaquan Bisker	S	PSU	50	31	19	36	23	51		40
32	35.8	Malik Willis	QB	LIB	50	22	37	60	32	36	25	24
33	38.0	Daxton Hill	CB	MICH	25	84	36	19	29	35
34	38.3	Drake Jackson	EDGE	USC	50	32	28	60	27	31		40
35	39.2	Sam Howell	QB	UNC	50	27	31	60	48	19
36	40.7	Nicholas Petit-Frere	OT	OSU	50	35	56	49	41	23		31
37	42.0	Trey McBride	TE	CSU	50	33	62	60	33	27		29
38	42.5	Jordan Battle	S	ALA	50	38	24	60	39	44
39	46.7	Breece Hall	RB	ISU	50	51	61	60	40	18
40	47.5	Christian Harris	LB	ALA	50	40	58	45	46	46
41	48.2	Desmond Ridder	QB	CIN	50	28	35	100	38	38
42	48.3	John Metchie	WR	ALA	50	44	48	60	35	53
43	48.5	Kenneth Walker	RB	MSU	50	46	52	46	55	42
44	49.7	Lewis Cine	S	CIN	50	94	41	27	49	37
45	51.3	Kyler Gordon	CB	UW	50	82	45	24	74	33
46	52.3	Isaiah Spiller	RB	TAMU	50	53	85	35	34	57
47	52.5	David Bell	WR	PUR	50	54	70	33	87	21
48	53.5	Jalen Wydermeyer	TE	TAMU	50	47	66	60	53	45
49	53.9	Darian Kinnard	OL	UK	50	49	50	100	45	43		40
50	54.5	Bernhard Raimann	OT	CMU	50	74	29	60	36	78
51	55.6	Cameron Thomas	EDGE	SDSU	50	96	43	100	78	28	18	32
52	56.2	Derion Kendrick	CB	UGA	14	59	71	38	68	87
53	56.7	Jermain Johnson	EDGE	FSU	50	81	42	28	50	89
54	57.7	Perrion Winfrey	DT	OU	50	58	84	31	76	47
55	60.2	Martin Emercon	CB	MSSU	50	79	32	100	59	41
56	67.5	Kyren Williams	RB	ND	50	75	89	60	97	34
57	68.8	Sean Rhyan	OL	UCLA	50	72	80	26	104	81
58	72.7	Haskell Garrett	DT	OSU	50	100	100	100	26	60

 

[ckparrothead]

Taking Nicholas Petit-Frere would be extreme Dolphining.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

I ran composite ranking from several websites plus Kiper and McShay's top 30. Based on this we will have a chance at Jameson Williams and Treylon Burks with SF pick.

Comp. Rank	Composite Score	Name	Position	School	CBS 11/17	Sp.News 12/06	PFF 11/29	PFN 12/01	NFLdraftbuzz	Drafttek 12/11	Kiper Nov 2021	MsShay Dec 2021
1	1.9	Kayvon Thibodeaux	EDGE	ORE	2	1	2	1	4	2	1	2
2	2.9	Aidan Hutchinson	EDGE	MICH	7	2	1	3	3	1	5	1
3	3.0	Kyle Hamilton	S	ND	1	3	3	2	5	3	2	5
4	3.8	Evan Neal	OT	ALA	4	5	5	4	1	4	4	3
5	5.3	Derek Stingley	CB	LSU	3	4	4	10	9	5	3	4
6	10.9	Garrett Wilson	WR	OSU	8	14	8	11	10	9	16	11
7	11.6	Tyler Linderbaum	C	IOWA	5	8	6	9	18	17	13	17
8	12.0	George Karlaftis	EDGE	PUR	6	9	7	14	24	8	21	7
9	13.0	DeMarvin Leal	DT	TAMU	9	6	50	6	8	7	12	6
10	15.3	Matt Corral	QB	OLE	10	16	16	32	11	6		16
11	15.6	Drake London	WR	USC	23	26	22	15	7	13	7	12
12	16.1	Chris Olave	WR	OSU	16	10	23	13	20	11	22	14
13	16.8	Charles Cross	OT	MSSU	50	15	9	17	13	15	6	9
14	17.3	Ikem Ekwonu	OL	NCSU	12	11	10	12	19	29	17	28
15	18.4	Devin Lloyd	LB	UTAH	20	7	21	22	28	16	8	25
16	18.4	Kenyon Green	OG	TAMU	13	18	13	7	6	32		40
17	18.6	Jordan Davis	DT	UGA	19	19	27	8	15	20		22
18	19.1	David Ojabo	EDGE	MICH	50	13	15	18	16	12	10	19
19	19.9	Kenny Pickett	QB	PITT	15	21	20	42	12	14	20	15
20	21.0	Nacobe Dean	LB	UGA	50	24	11	23	21	22	9	8
21	22.0	Ahmad Gardner	CB	UGA	17	23	26	20	37	10		21
22	22.0	Jameson Williams	WR	ALA	24	52	14	33	2	30	11	10
23	23.4	Andrew Booth	CB	CLE	11	17	34	5	42	25		30
24	24.3	Kaiir Elam	CB	UF	50	12	17	16	14	48	19	18
25	26.0	Treylon Burks	WR	ARK	22	30	30	21	30	24	24	27
26	31.1	Roger McCreary	CB	AUB	50	20	18	60	31	26		13
27	32.0	Kingsley Enagbare	EDGE	SC	21	60	25	29	17	40
28	32.1	Jahan Dotson	WR	PSU	18	50	38	34	44	39	14	20
29	33.3	Trent McDuffie	CB	UW	50	25	12	25	22	59		40
30	35.6	Trevor Penning	OT	UNI	50	29	33	37	25	70	15	26
31	35.7	Jaquan Bisker	S	PSU	50	31	19	36	23	51		40
32	35.8	Malik Willis	QB	LIB	50	22	37	60	32	36	25	24
33	38.0	Daxton Hill	CB	MICH	25	84	36	19	29	35
34	38.3	Drake Jackson	EDGE	USC	50	32	28	60	27	31		40
35	39.2	Sam Howell	QB	UNC	50	27	31	60	48	19
36	40.7	Nicholas Petit-Frere	OT	OSU	50	35	56	49	41	23		31
37	42.0	Trey McBride	TE	CSU	50	33	62	60	33	27		29
38	42.5	Jordan Battle	S	ALA	50	38	24	60	39	44
39	46.7	Breece Hall	RB	ISU	50	51	61	60	40	18
40	47.5	Christian Harris	LB	ALA	50	40	58	45	46	46
41	48.2	Desmond Ridder	QB	CIN	50	28	35	100	38	38
42	48.3	John Metchie	WR	ALA	50	44	48	60	35	53
43	48.5	Kenneth Walker	RB	MSU	50	46	52	46	55	42
44	49.7	Lewis Cine	S	CIN	50	94	41	27	49	37
45	51.3	Kyler Gordon	CB	UW	50	82	45	24	74	33
46	52.3	Isaiah Spiller	RB	TAMU	50	53	85	35	34	57
47	52.5	David Bell	WR	PUR	50	54	70	33	87	21
48	53.5	Jalen Wydermeyer	TE	TAMU	50	47	66	60	53	45
49	53.9	Darian Kinnard	OL	UK	50	49	50	100	45	43		40
50	54.5	Bernhard Raimann	OT	CMU	50	74	29	60	36	78
51	55.6	Cameron Thomas	EDGE	SDSU	50	96	43	100	78	28	18	32
52	56.2	Derion Kendrick	CB	UGA	14	59	71	38	68	87
53	56.7	Jermain Johnson	EDGE	FSU	50	81	42	28	50	89
54	57.7	Perrion Winfrey	DT	OU	50	58	84	31	76	47
55	60.2	Martin Emercon	CB	MSSU	50	79	32	100	59	41
56	67.5	Kyren Williams	RB	ND	50	75	89	60	97	34
57	68.8	Sean Rhyan	OL	UCLA	50	72	80	26	104	81
58	72.7	Haskell Garrett	DT	OSU	50	100	100	100	26	60

Nice. Great work.

I don't know how realistic it is to get two starting caliber/upgrades at tackle in free agency.

For that reason, I really believe offensive tackle is the #1 target in the draft. But I'd love Burks with thar SF pick.

 

[Honeybadger08]

No way Williams is there at the SF pick. Eagles will scoop him up with one of their picks.

 

[Tiger]

Linderbaum

 

[j-off-her-doll]

The trade down was just for kicks, but Burks + Hall would upgrade Miami's offense so much. Address the OL in FA.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

The trade down was just for kicks, but Burks + Hall would upgrade Miami's offense so much. Address the OL in FA.

Makes so much sense.

The offensive line is so young, Miami really needs to add a couple of veterans there.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

Hey j-off-her-doll,

Here's another thought. If Miami can solve the offensive line and add a good veteran running back in free agency, it opens up a lot of possibilities.

Miami could potentially draft Burks and trade up for Dean or Lloyd.

That could take care of needs at running back, wide receiver, linebacker and offensive line.

With a reported $80ish million to spend that could happen. Might be a little tough assuming Gesicki and Ogbah are kept, which I hope happens.