Why is DE such a priority...

[DPhinz_DPhinz]

Wait. 3rd and 4th round picks shouldn't be spent on OL because the Dolphins didn't succeed with previous GMs drafting OL in those rounds?

Considering that as of this moment, we have Larsen and Bushrod manning the interior of the o-line...I would like to think that although a 3rd/4th rounder would be better than these two...we could still do better.

Are you also making the case that it's a silly idea to follow successful trends in the NFL?

If you can't successfully do so...yes, I am. We've tried to be a part of that trend with Thomas, Turner, and Douglas. Tannenbaum's crafted teams that won with defense and Mark Sanchez...but their All Pros were on the offensive line. Hopefully, he remembers that formula.

With a lot of your posts, you tell on yourself more and more. But hey, don't let me stop you.

As I type this,my wife is about to sit on my lap and we're going to watch a movie...there's no room for you on mine.

 

[SCLSU Mud Dogs]

Considering that as of this moment, we have Larsen and Bushrod manning the interior of the o-line...I would like to think that although a 3rd/4th rounder would be better than these two...we could still do better.



If you can't successfully do so...yes, I am. We've tried to be a part of that trend with Thomas, Turner, and Douglas. Tannenbaum's crafted teams that won with defense and Mark Sanchez...but their All Pros were on the offensive line. Hopefully, he remembers that formula.



As I type this,my wife is about to sit on my lap and we're going to watch a movie...there's no room for you on mine.

Offensive line will carry you for the season, but for the most part, defense is what will win you a championship. I wouldn't be surprised with a 2nd or 3rd round lineman, and another in the 5th.

A great defensive line will also help mask deficiencies from the rest of the defense, and an every down stud defensive end would be a great thing for Miami, since other than Jones, we lack impact players behind the DL.

 

[DPhinz_DPhinz]

I still think you can find a starter or role player at DE in round 2 or 3, but there's a big difference between Trey Hendrickson/Demarcus Walker, and Jordan Willis/Derek Barnett.

Debatable...tape and production say the difference isn't that big.

 

[DPhinz_DPhinz]

Offensive line will carry you for the season, but for the most part, defense is what will win you a championship. I wouldn't be surprised with a 2nd or 3rd round lineman, and another in the 5th.

A great defensive line will also help mask deficiencies from the rest of the defense, and an every down stud defensive end would be a great thing for Miami, since other than Jones, we lack impact players behind the DL.

We are closer to having a dominant O-line than we are a dominant defense. You want an impact played BEHIND the DL...draft a S/CB in the first, or a LB. That said, who would you suggest?

 

[lurking]

We are closer to having a dominant O-line than we are a dominant defense. You want an impact played BEHIND the DL...draft a S/CB in the first, or a LB. That said, who would you suggest?

How can you say we're closer to having a dominant OL then DL. We have 2 back up guards, and and often injured center. I'm not advocating either way. Just trying to understand what you're trying to say.

 

[DPhinz_DPhinz]

How can you say we're closer to having a dominant OL then DL. We have 2 back up guards, and and often injured center. I'm not advocating either way. Just trying to understand what you're trying to say.

Let's look at the glass as half empty...

We have 2 back-up guards and an oft injured center on our line...the only noticeable part of the offense in need of repair.

Let's look at the defense...

The DE's are in need of rehaul (3 DE's)...the DT's need depth and competition at NT (2 DT's)...the LB's a whole unremarkable (at least 2 LBs)...there's a very good chance that we will need 3 CBs to get that funcional...we need a FS that can allow Jones to go willy-nilly around the field. That's roughly 11 players needed to make this defense respectable.

Now with 7 draft picks, is it more feasible to cover 3 positions or 11 positions? Unless we can get another FA in here for $3 million on a one year "prove it" deal...and be right back here next year, except this time we'll be picking in the top 15, quite possibly looking for a QB because Tannehill gets his knee re-injured becaue of 2 backup guards will be responsble for keeping the likes of Poe and Jarret out of his face.

 

[lurking]

Let's look at the glass as half empty...

We have 2 back-up guards and an oft injured center on our line...the only noticeable part of the offense in need of repair.

Let's look at the defense...

The DE's are in need of rehaul (3 DE's)...the DT's need depth and competition at NT (2 DT's)...the LB's a whole unremarkable (at least 2 LBs)...there's a very good chance that we will need 3 CBs to get that funcional...we need a FS that can allow Jones to go willy-nilly around the field. That's roughly 11 players needed to make this defense respectable.

Now with 7 draft picks, is it more feasible to cover 3 positions or 11 positions? Unless we can get another FA in here for $3 million on a one year "prove it" deal...and be right back here next year, except this time we'll be picking in the top 15, quite possibly looking for a QB because Tannehill gets his knee re-injured becaue of 2 backup guards will be responsble for keeping the likes of Poe and Jarret out of his face.

I thought we were talking about the OL and DL not the whole denfense.

 

[j-off-her-doll]

Let's look at the glass as half empty...

We have 2 back-up guards and an oft injured center on our line...the only noticeable part of the offense in need of repair.

Let's look at the defense...

The DE's are in need of rehaul (3 DE's)...the DT's need depth and competition at NT (2 DT's)...the LB's a whole unremarkable (at least 2 LBs)...there's a very good chance that we will need 3 CBs to get that funcional...we need a FS that can allow Jones to go willy-nilly around the field. That's roughly 11 players needed to make this defense respectable.

Now with 7 draft picks, is it more feasible to cover 3 positions or 11 positions? Unless we can get another FA in here for $3 million on a one year "prove it" deal...and be right back here next year, except this time we'll be picking in the top 15, quite possibly looking for a QB because Tannehill gets his knee re-injured becaue of 2 backup guards will be responsble for keeping the likes of Poe and Jarret out of his face.

Does DE need a rehaul, or is it something that Miami should not worry about? This post seems to contradict the OP.

 

[uk_dolfan]

Because we have got Wake, who is pushing pension age and then a big pile of "meh"

 

[Digital]

Sounds ideal but it doesn't play out as intended the majority of the time. If I'm running any type of no-huddle and using a versatile personnel set, such as 11, I'm not going to let you get Hayes off the field on a critical 3rd and med/long. Or when I convert that 3rd and med/long, I'm going right back to my run game in the direction towards the pass specialist on 1st down. Situational defensive players are a neat concept but can be too easily negated by a smart OC.

Hayes had as many sacks as Branch last year playing in a comparable DL. More snaps maybe, but Hayes isn't a bad player. Just sayin'.

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[nick1]

Focus on the topic folks its getting personal. This is a warning

 

[Avigatorx]

Does DE need a rehaul, or is it something that Miami should not worry about? This post seems to contradict the OP.

I get what he is saying, and agree with it to an extent.

Essentially, (Correct me if im wrong), he is asking "Why draft a replacement DE so early when we have so many gaping holes in other positions?"

Sure, I think we would all agree that we need to get more youth on the Dline, but this offfseason we resigned Branch to a hefty deal, and picked up Hayes. If we go DE in the first we are talking about drafting maybe a 2 down player.

IF we do that, we are missing out on a 1st round, 3 down guy at a position that we have nothing.

We would get more immediate mileage out of a guard, linebacker, or FS.

I want the mileage. That said, if a DE is our best option at 22, AND he is the right guy, I'll just hope the FO is making the right choice and hope we score some points in the later rounds.

 

[Blake the great]

1. Pass rush is the staple of this defense and we have a one single, aging DE on his last legs who is capable of providing pressure on demand that is on a limited snap count of around 50%. The rest of our pass rushers are pretenders.

2. This is one of the best defensive drafts in years; take advantage of it.

3. Am I being punked?

This is the main reason why Im against drafting a Guard at #22, Im sure there will be a decent Guard we can draft next year. Take advantage of this years draft, Its much harder to find a good a pass rusher than a good Guard.

 

[Blake the great]

for this draft and this year?

Aren't we happy with Wake and Branch (both extended/resigned), Hayes, Fede, Warmsley? That's a 5 man rotation, we are going to add a player in the 1st round who is going to be a part of a rotation?

[video=youtube;sLhVNtuwzQ0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLhVNtuwzQ0[/video]

Its been explained many times and should be obvious why we need a pass rushing DE

[video=youtube;ilcRS5eUpwk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilcRS5eUpwk[/video]

 

[DPhinz_DPhinz]

Does DE need a rehaul, or is it something that Miami should not worry about? This post seems to contradict the OP.

We need 3 DE's...so should we use out first three picks to rehaul the position?

We could use another DT...do we use our comp 5th to address that?

We could use a boundary CB and a slot CB...do we use our two 5th to address that?

We could use a free safety...do we use our last pick to address that?

That's a bit extreme, but the point is we had a below average free agency and draft in 2016...2017 free agency has been better, but even that's debatable considering what was out there and missed out on.

A defensive end is not going to improve this defense to the point where it could have beaten Pittsburgh/Bell in the Wildcard game.