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Why Miami Should Draft a First Day QB.....

arsenal said:
i agree, but not in the first few rounds... those ron wolf teams took mid to late round QBs... Hassleback was a 6th rounder, Aaron Brooks in the 4th, Brunell a 5th rounder, Ty Detmer 9th round...

but they dont all end up good, you are basically gambling with 1 pick a year hoping something comes of the players... he also took players like Kyle Washoltz and Jay Barker who obviously amounted to nothing...
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But, Green Bay also had a QB starter when they were accumulating QB's with later picks, we have no proven QB's, so we should not limit when we'll take a QB, as I said originally, if there is a QB at a point in the draft, that we have a conviction on, that is a good value where we are taking him......then we should do it.

Because we don't have one, once we find one, we can use later picks to fish for QB talent, but right now we need the first one, the starter, the leader of this team.
 
FinFanatic80 said:
I somewhat agree with that. But specifically talking about our situation in Miami, I completely feel that you have to give Beck an absolute legit shot at the starting job. He has played far too few games with far too little talent around him to make any assumptions about him just yet.

That being said, i wouldnt completely be against drafting a QB in the mid to later rounds for future development. This way there is no real large money investment in the player and he theoritically (i cant spell) would have time to development and adapt to our system. But I dont think it would be in our best interest to draft a QB with any of our 1st or 2nd round picks, simply because we have way too many holes to fill at other positions.

Parcell's does seem to like to find QB's that arent big names and make them into starters, so look out. Just look in Dallas with Romo, and others that are slipping my mind at the moment.
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I'm not suggesting Beck isn't given a shot, I'm saying that until we find a bonafide big time QB, we need to have multiple prospects in camp every year until we find one.
 
BobDole said:
makes sense. while i agree, there are no first or second day qb's this year that i like. who do you want us to take?
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I like the top 4, maybe one or two others as later picks.

I am a bit enamored with Flacco, huge arm, very athletic for a man so big.
 
JsBaugh said:
Your point would be logical if this team didnt need so many positions filled. Another young QB on the roster is not helping this team AT ALL! This draft is about finding players that can start now and make an impact. Any QB taken wouldnt be ready for at least a year and if Beck/McCwon pan out then you just wasted a pick. I dont see a problem taking one in the later rounds but not the first 3.
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As Ron Wolf proved, it is not a waste to draft and develop QB's, even if you have one.....do you remember what he got for late round pick Hasselback?
 
FinFanatic80 said:
Even if we dont draft a QB, there's bound to be a QB on the market (especially after june 1) that isnt old with some potential who would make a good project QB and #3 emergency QB for us in the future.
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We've already got one of those(Josh McCown), we need to develop our own.
 
TrinidadDolfan said:
Hey, WAKE UP !!!!!

I am really tired of all this "other needs to fill" b.s

QB is POSITION #1 on ANY team, and we will never go far without one, so what position you gonna put before that? Huh? We need to get the QB position finalized, period, get over it.

If you want to tell me ...."uh...well Beck may end up being good", well then fine, so what. Are you willing to bank a year or 2 or 3 on that bet? I am not.

You sometimes have to fill the position with a bit of overkill because you cannot afford to not have a good qb. If we somehow end up with 2 good QB's then fine, trade one for value.

We need a QB drafted this year, period, no question.

If you don't believe me, look on the draftboard next weekend and you will see that Parcells thinks so as well. We will draft a QB this year.
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Wow, calm down there bud. Where in my post did I say dont draft a QB? I said dont take one in the first 3 rounds, but never mentioned not drafting one. You dont seem to understand that drafting a QB wont help the team this year so its not worth taking one in the first few rounds.
 
JsBaugh said:
Wow, calm down there bud. Where in my post did I say dont draft a QB? I said dont take one in the first 3 rounds, but never mentioned not drafting one. You dont seem to understand that drafting a QB wont help the team this year so its not worth taking one in the first few rounds.
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conversely, nothing is going to put this team over the top this year, so what does it matter?

If we don't find a QB soon, none of it will matter for Parcells and company.

As it takes a QB a couple years to get settled in, we need to find one now so that he will be ready when the rest of the team is ready in a few years.
 
burger13 said:
Ron Wolf was a bad example......

If your argument was for drafting a second day QB, he would have been a perfect example.

In his work with the Packers, he didn't draft a single first-day QB. He traded a 1st for Favre, but other than that he found mid/late round guys:

T.Detmer - 9th round
M.Brunell - 5th round
Matt Hasselbeck - 6th round
Aaron Brooks - 4th round

He also drafted a few unmemorable guys in the 7th round and one in the 5th.

Lesson to be learned from Wolf IMO is that it isn't ever a bad idea to take a 2nd day QB if you see potential in them.
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Think about what you said......he sent a first rounder for Favre, that is a first day pick, he FOUND his starter.


We don't have a starter, so you don't limit yourself with restrictions to drafting second day QB's until you find one.
 
BlueFin said:
My philosophy is this, John Beck and Josh McCown are not "proven", by "proven" I mean they have demonstrated the ability to lead a team to the playoffs and perhaps a championship.

Now this philosophy starts with the premise that the QB is the single most important position in pro football, without a good one you have very little chance of winning a championship, the exceptions come when you have an all-time great defense such as the top 3 in history (85' Bears, the Ravens and Bucs of recent times) Short of having one of the greatest, dominating defenses in history, you need a QB who can make the money plays when the game is on the line.

Without a known "proven" QB on the roster, you should continue to accumalte QB's until you find one. This philosophy was one Ron Wolf shared, if you remember the slew of QB's he had in Green Bay...........Favre, Brunnell, Matt Hasselback, and others. When they had a surplus they simply traded away Brunnell and Hasselback for good value.

The newer rules have opened up the passing games in the NFL and only accenuated the Import of the QB position, you simply must have a QB who can make big plays and score points..............period.

Its simply not sufficient to draft a Beck in the second round, watch him struggle most of the time as a starter, sign a journeyman like Josh McCown, and then sit back and say.....ok, our QB position is "good" for now.

If we are in a position to draft a QB in this draft, and at that pick the QB is a good value, we should make the pick if we have a conviction on him.
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Did misread this, J.Beck is not proven so drafting a rookie changes what that now we have two unproven kids at QB. A QB selection late in this draft is a great idea, early is a waste of a pick. Build up the front seven and the Oline and J.Beck will be better than just good.
 
since we have a unproven QB, we should draft a QB in the 1st round that is unproven also? :scratches his head:
 
Atila said:
We can still give John Beck a chance and still choose a quarterback between rounds 2-5 or something.

Hypothetically speaking, even if we drafted Ryan #1, we still probably would start John Beck so drafting a QB does not mean we are looking for a day1 starter...but like the first poster mentioned, more of insurance.
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I think if we drafted Ryan we would trade Beck. Beck would probably slot somewhere in the 2nd round so we could probably get a 3rd rounder no problem. After Henne who's the next best prospect Woodson or Johnson or Booty?Beck would be ahead of all three of them. Personally I think he's a better prospect than Henne. I could see us drafting Ryan and trading Beck to Cameron's Ravens for a 3rd
 
I agree.

Miami fans have a memory of only a couple things, (1) the 72' Dolphins (2) Last year.

We had all the positions filled BUT QB when Ricky led the League in rushing and our defense was top 3. Yet with all that we didn't make the playoffs and we all know it was because of quarterback play. we still haven't fixed that. we drafted a QB, a second round QB at that, who really hasn't showed much in the chances he has had even if only a handful of chances.

I've said that before but no one listens, still people here will believe we should use the #1 overall pick on a small, slow defensive end who we will have to move to LB.
 
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