WVDolphan's "Get Real" Today's subject, Dan Henning.

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  1. WVDolphan

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    First let remind you not to get the idea that Im a huge Henning fan, but a lot of you guys are way overboard these days with the Henning bashing. For that I have a huge GET REAL.


    Point #1 - Playcalling is very subjective.

    Its easy to sit back and say we should run here or pass here, but there arent many concrete examples of playcalling that dont fall under asthetic preference in a given situation.

    From where I sit, I havent seen a playcall yet this season where Ive said there is absolutely no way that play shouldve been called there and had the idea there was a different play that was a no brainer. The 2nd and 5 play vs. Buffalo, just before the 2 minute warning where we threw a pass, I definately wouldve ran and I would say that is a situation where a run play should absolutely be the call no matter what your philosophy is. However, there is speculation that Henne made that decision and Sparano was visibly upset with him. I really dont know so I will leave that one alone. Outside of that, every play call this year has been fine. Sure there are calls where I wouldve done something else, or many of you wouldve done something else, but again, this is all subjective. So I dont see why all the Henning bashing has been so fierce so far this year.

    Also you must consider that it all comes down to EXECUTION. If the players execute what is called correctly, the play is most likely going to be successful. Too much emphasis is placed on playcalling in non-critical parts of the game.

    Point #2 - Our offense and the Parcells/Henning philosophy was critical to our victory vs. the Vikings

    I dont know if some of you realize this, but the Vikings only had 4 possessions in the first half. They failed to score any points in the first half. Why? Because we had success running the football in the first half.

    Our OL went into that building against one of the best front 4's the league has seen in a while and beat the **** out of them up front in the first half. If you guys didnt notice, the Vikings started running the ball all over us in the 2nd half and were able to score a bit. However, our defense stepped up in critical spots and came up with the stops we needed. A big part of the reason they were able to do this even after Peterson pounded the **** out of them in the 2nd half was because of the fact he wasnt able to do so in the first half. Why? Because our OFFENSE and our rushing attack was able to control the game and keep Peterson off the field. If our offense had not accomplished that, who knows if our D wouldve withstanded Peterson's assult when it needed to.

    So it was a good thing we didnt start trying to sling it all over the lot. Im certain we wouldve lost that game if we had. Despite us not being able to run it well in the 2nd half, it was a good thing we stayed with that gameplan.

    Side note: Isnt it great to see our defense make critical stops on money downs? Geez its refreshing. I remember when the dancing queen Jason Taylor and Zach were here, we ALWAYS seemed to give up the key 3rd and medium or 4th down to keep our D on the field and wind up losing games in the clutch. But, again, part of the reason our D was able to do this yesterday was the fact we had success running the ball in the first half and we stuck with the run in the 2nd half, despite not generating much yardage.

    Point #3 - What do you guys expect?

    You do realize this team is BUILT to RUN THE FOOTBALL dont you? You guys do realize that Dan Henning has traditionally held a "conservative" offensive philosophy?

    This is what kills me. A large portion of you guys whining about Henning, are the same people who are so quick to hammer me when I was upset with the FO. You do realize Henning is here because this FO hired him. They are the same guys who havent fired him either. In fact, Henning's philosophies mirror that of Bill Parcells. Thats why Henning is here.

    Thats also why we drafted Jake Long. Jake Long is a DOMINATING RUN BLOCKER. He was drafted so we could destroy teams up front. Run blocking is his strength. He isnt a horrible pass blocker by any means, but he is definately a better run blocker. He has also had a couple of rough games vs. speed rushers. This is what you guys preached when you said "build from the trenches". Yet, you whine about we dont throw it enough. WHAT GIVES? You want to place emphasis on LT, draft a QB afterwards, but then throw it 40 times a game? Thats a complete contradiction!!!!

    Henne btw, is a prototypical Parcell's QB. He likes a big, strong QB, who is difficult to bring to the ground, and manages a game. A Phil Simms type guy. These guys want to run first, and pass second. Thats the philosophy of the FO on down to the coaching staff. So thats how we built our team. So how are you sticking up for the FO on EVERYTHING and yet bashing Henning for being conservative?

    This is the team we put together. We play to our strengths. You guys who want to "open it up" and throw it 40 times a game dont seem to realize that isnt what suits our personel. We arent going to see a lot of games like that. Occasionally Im sure we will gameplan to throw it more. But, most of the time we are going to plan on throwing 15-25 times a game. When that happens, its a good thing. It means we are sticking to what we set out to do. RUN THE FOOTBALL. If we throw it 40 times, chances our that means we have gotten behind in the game by more than 1 possession and have to try and generate some big plays to get back in it. Those of you talking about Henne throwing for 300 yards in 3 of the last 5 games last year, how did that work out for us? Last I checked, we LOST our last 3 games last season. We are going to win games by running the ball, controlling the clock, playing solid defense, and Henne being more of a game manager.

    As far as Henne goes, I felt like he played a good game vs. Minnesota. I dont need him to throw for 300 yards to think he played a good game. Thats not even what he is here for anyway as I have pointed out. I dont need stats to judge his performance. I watch the games. If you will notice, his stats in the first 2 games are almost identical. However, I thought his performance in Buffalo was very average if not slightly below. The difference in the two games were simple. He hit on the deep ball vs. Minnesota on the first play that helped set up our rushing attack. In Buffalo, while Marshall couldve caught the ball, he made a very poor pass that cost us a TD. I also thought he managed the game much better in Minnesota. Many people pointed out how he was not milking the playclock at the end of the Buffalo game. In Minnesota, he did just about everything we needed him to do for us to win.

    Henne is just another part of the philosophy. We want to run the ball and have our QB not have to throw it all over the lot. Those of you who want that, shouldve been for drafting a different style of QB and probably a different style of OL. Its simply about what we built our team to do. And honestly, Im pretty much on the side of the folks who see today's NFL as a passing league. Thats why I wanted to draft Matt Ryan. But, Im never going to be against power football if thats what our FO wants to do so long as they have success doing it. You can approach things a different way and still have success.

    So again, you guys who bash Henning but, constantly praise the FO are being completely contradictary. Henning is doing nothing but carrying out Parcell's plan and using the strength of the players he brought in to build this team with. If you think the Long and Henne picks were the way to go, dont whine about the playcalling being conservative. Those guys fit that philosophy and thats why they were selected. As long as its successful, Im all for it.


    As far as my bashing the FO, my reason was simple. We went 7-9. Thats a good enough reason for me to bash away. Losing. I care about results. Especially when I was one of the people who felt the way the league is now, that a more wide open passing attack combined with a defense that has a few playmakers is the way to go. But, again, we just arent going to do that with the personel we have. We have these guys because they fit what the FO and coaching staff wants to do. Some of the draft choices before last season were very questionable was another reason I was upset with the FO. And it takes more than beating the Bills to compensate for that 7-9 performance. Beating a quality opponent on the road like Minnesota certainly helps. If this team is a success this year, then of course I will be pleased.

    Point #4 - The wildcat.

    I get sick of hearing how the wildcat must go. NO. It shouldnt. The wildcat is a big part of what we do. POWER RUNNING. Again, its just another thing that fits the personel and the philosophy of the FO and coaches. We want to beat the **** out of the other teams defense and run the ball straight down their throats. I like it. Its kinda the American way. I dont want to get all political, but it reminds me of this ol' Carlin bit. "But, we can bomb the **** out of your country alright!" :lol: [video=youtube;UaS2bRGS86c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaS2bRGS86c[/video] We get a lot of practice. SO WERE GOOD AT IT!!!!!!!!!! Cant execute a pass play worth a ****, cant run a screen or a deep post, but we can POUND THE **** OUT OF YOUR DEFENSE!!!!! :lol:

    Also, the wildcat indeed gives teams something else to spend time working on in the week leading up to our game. No team has the same success as we do running it, because we have the personel built for running it. And we get a lot of practice.....SO WERE GOOD AT IT!!! Carlin is great. :lol:

    So yea, the wildcat stays. And those of you who want to bash Henning for running it at all and especially for the Pat White plays last year, keep in mind, its the FO who brought in Pat White and the FO who purposely brought in players who they felt would perform well in the wildcat and the overall philosophy of being a power running team.

    So in summation, those of you bashing Henning...GET REAL!!!!!!!! And the next time you want to bash him, bash the FO instead because its all their plan that is in place and the reason Henning is even the OC. But, really you should just stop bashing Henning all together. He has done a fine job with what he has been given and the plan laid out in front of him. He is simply toe'n the ol company line here. And as it stands now, the company line looks like it could be onto something. As I pointed out, it was their philosophy that got us a win against the Vikings and has put a defense out there that looks like it can get the job done. So far so good this season. Hopefully, these guys can keep it up.

    And look for the phins to be the first team this season to have success running the football right at the Jests this Sunday. Thats right Rexy, as you would say "were going to run it straight up your ****ing ***" you **** talking ********er. SO BE READY.




    Wow. That took a while. I have two more issues Id like for folks to "Get real" about. I dont know if I feel like posting them now. You guys let me know what you think of this and give me some feedback please. Are there people interested in me doing a regular "Get Real" post? Because I could call it WVDolphan's Get Real. I love that phase ever since SlipperySoap used it in that one post. Thanks.
     
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  2. jree

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    Thats alot of words
     
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    A lot of reading, but you always bring an interesting perspective.
     
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    dude is this available in paperback??? lol

    i'm meh on henning right now but the damn wildcat that he goes to everytime we have some offensive momentum needs to stop...it kills drives and my freaking patience
     
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    I browsed what you wrote. Even longer than what I write. I have wrote some long ones too. I have been pretty positive with Henning. But I have some gripes.
    1. I think that our routes are pretty predictable. We run more sideline routes than I think we should. I wrote in a earlier thread that I would like to see more routes and throws in the middle of the field. Sideline routes are so timing based. You have to have the ball out at such a certain time because the risk of the DB jumping the route. Add to that the fact of the importance of accuracy is so high. I would love to see us stretch the seam more often. It would but more pressure on the safties, helping the running game ect. If we do throw the ball in the middle it is usually a dump off. Middle routed allow a QB to react to a route a little more and throw the ball and differnent times. Welker is a perfect example of the crossing routes power. Another gripe is that we use a lot of three step drops. That shows that so many of our routes are timing routes. Would like to see more 5-7 drops.
     
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    The only one I can recall is the end around to Bess against Buffalo.
     
  7. WVDolphan

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    You should read and not browse. It only takes 5-10 minutes.

    Nevertheless, based on your post, it seems you would rather have a different QB. Basically, as I pointed out in my thread, you are completely disagreeing with the philosophy of the FO on offense. The routes we run in the passing game, play to the strengths of the QB we drafted to fit the what the FO wants to do.
     
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    You do realize that it was the Wildcat, on our first offensive possession of the game, that got us into the redzone and setup our lone offensive TD, right?

    P.S. WV - as much as I hate to say so, your post is right on the money. Well done.

    P.P.S. Just wait until the offense catches up with the defense...
     
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    Meh. Again its subjective. I wouldnt have called that play in that particular circumstance either, but if it were executed better, it wouldve had some success. I wouldnt say that was a great call, but again, you cant really say it was a horrible call either. Its just a playcall. It wasnt impossible that the play couldve had success there.
     
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    You play to win the game! lol. . Seriously though. When you are up and want to seal the game you have to get first downs by passing the ball and not just running it into the line three times and punting
     
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    Who the hell are you, stole WV computer and using his handle.
     
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    To sum this up for those of you that choose not to read it......

    This is a very very long winded way to say the FO sucks and everything that goes wrong and the answer to all your complaints are the FO's fault.
     
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    nice post, I mostly agree. I like the wildcat (the real one) but also agree with other posts that the timing is screwing up our rythm. I say bust it out at certain points and when it is rolling, go no huddle to prevent the d from substituting. That said I hate to see a failed play, wilcat, diff play, etc. I'm not a OC but I did stay at a holiday inn express once and I ate them out of house and home ;-)
     
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    I agree, we are run first and will always be and we will pretty much always start the game by pounding the rock. I don't mind that is not the problem. The issue I got with Henning is once the defense understands were pounding and they start stacking the box Henning doesn't make a damn change and by doing so this Fins will never be able to run away with a win in blowout fashion. Talk about questionnable Call? Lets hear it. I wanna see my team playing with 45 seconds left in the half no matter the cost of a pick. I don't want to run the ball on 2nd &20 and 3rd and 17. How the great QBS devellop they throw pass attempts and they get picked, they go 22 for 40 280yds 2td and 2 ints that is the life of a sophomore. I'd rather have him throw picks than stack him against the wall and GO WITH THAT DONT THROW IT MENTALITY this is not how he can learn this is how he gets scared of throwing for the rest of his career. Then what we start trailling in 4th by 10 and NOW WE PUT HENNE UNDER THE BUS where he is supposed to get us back after STAYING COLD IN THE WILDCAT AND THROWING 15 all game. PLEASE for sure he'll make a mistake. I understand the gameplan concept of henning and yes I have to give it to him he is wise with it. Watch out though it almost got us screwed at the end.

    THE NEW HENNING PLAN SHOULD BE POUND IT GET THAT TOUCHDOWN LEAD AND THEN LET HENNE THROW NO MATTER THE COST: A 2TDS LEAD OR A PICK AND A TIED GAME. I can live with it to me it is a win win situation and this is a fairly easy way to groom him, get him involve and make some mistakes AND GET A BLOWOUT WIN AGAINST THE JETS HELL YEAH
     
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    I agree that passing the ball is a great way to get first downs and seal the game late.

    However, let me know when we get the personel that is suited to do that. What we have is an OL that is built to run block, a QB who is big and strong so he dosent fumble when he gets sacked, has a strong arm, but isnt made to be Peyton Manning or Dan Marino who can disect a defense and make plays all by himself. If you havent noticed, almost all of Henne's throws are designed plays where he isnt given a lot of options. They give him very basic stuff.

    Face it, Henne is meant to be a game manager but at the same time have a cannon who can make throws that require some mustard. He often stares his targets down and dosent execute all types of passing plays well. He isnt a decision maker guy back there.

    But, thats the type of guy they wanted. Why? Because they wanted to be a power running team that controls the game and dosent turn the ball over. Thats why when we get in those situations, the idea isnt to run it 3 times and punt, the idea is to run it and get first downs.

    So your problem sounds like its with the FO, the QB they chose, and the philosophy they have on offense.
     
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    It is? You obviously didnt read it. Im pretty sure I stated I think these guys are onto something.

    There is more than one way to skin a cat. They believe in running the ball and playing tough defense. It starting to look like it could work out.
     
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    Have you ever heard the Blaise Pascal quote? -- "I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time."

    Moral of the story: Be careful of asking for time from others when they could more rightly ask it from you.
     
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    Not neccesarily. I think that Henne can make all the throws. With that said, our Philosophy is Parcells bash and ball control. I am fine with that as well. However, what is wrong with on third and long we have marshall run a sluggo, ect type route with max potect with a dump off option. I just wish that a couple times in third and long situations instead of a out route to the sideline, a TE screen, or a dump to RR in the flat we would throw one up. Let Marshall fight for a ball. Its not the fact that we are so conservative it is the fact that we are really bound to it. As a fan who has watched every game I know what is coming and so does the opponent. Draw plays work because teams don't run them all the time and they stretch the field. We don't. But I am not against your thread or ideas as a whole. I recognize our philosophy and respect it. But sometimes our tendancies have taken away any advantage that we have. Just a shot here and there.
     
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    There were multiple times during the Vikings game where I felt like a well-executed play-action pass would have been devastating and it seemed like it never came. I figured it was the reason why we brought Marshall in. I feel like we just got too conservative at points and I was thinking the 14 points just weren't going to cut it. Of course, it was enough...
     
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    BTW Carlin is the best, thank you.
     
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    Well seeing that your responses to alot of people has a over tonne of bashing the FO I would say I nailed it pretty good.

    Your opinion states Henne is only there to hold on to the football when he gets hit, lol! Funny how plenty of others believe he can become a franchise QB which has nothing to do with just "holding on" to the football.

    I could go on but it's pointless, you hate the FO and are finding more creative ways to express those opinions.
     
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    I know Henne can make all the throws. Last year when we were playing from behind we saw that Henne could make all the throws and get the ball downfield. I understand they do want a game manager; however, I think that they are only keeping him as a game manager because they don't want to ruin his confidence. It makes sense. Run run run and throw the ball when you need to ( or are playing from behind) .. but use high percentage throws. This way, when Henne needs to bring us back, he has the confidence to do so because he has thrown mostly high percentage throws. They are playing him safe. We do have a bend but don't break defense, but if play like this everygame, the defense is going to inevitably "break" in a couple of games. PS I do trust the f/o and the offense, but our RBs are getting up there in age. We also have "the beast" as well as a couple other decent pass-catchers as well as RB who can catch the ball as well. We are going to have to find ways to put away teams on offense when our defense gives us the chance.. And by doing so ,we have to start passing the ball down the field. Did I mention we have the beast?
     
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    I cannot disagree with your observations. Here is something to think about. Do we have the stable of running backs we need to get the job done. Ronnie is injury prone and Ricky can get worn down as he is getting older. When Ronnie went down last year we were a different team. Ronnie is a talent but we need a 3rd durable back. You have to limit Ronnies touches to get him through a entire year. So with out that 3rd back you have to consider passing at least short passes a bit more to compensate. Bess is a weapon and has always been one. He should have had 2 more touches yesterday just to take the burden off the running game and put it on the short passing game. Sure I understand what you are saying about our FO etc but IMO you have to look in the rear view mirror sometimes in order to see where you are going.
     
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    In the first quarter we called a fullback run up the middle when it was 3rd and 18 i think. WTF was that? The only thing i could think was thaey were hoping to get close enough to kick a field goal but came up short and had to punt.
    Did you see the one play where Bobby Carpenter stuffed Adrian Peterson? Sweet!
     
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    Very good write-up. Maybe it's just me being a Henne homer (watched since he was a freshmen at Michigan), but I think his progression has gotten much better. A lot of times I'll see his head turn right away to his checkdown and hit him quickly. Also he did have games last year where he did throw the ball all over the place (esp. patriots game). Do I think it plays to his best strenghts? No, but I also don't think he can't do. In the Titans and Texans game when we had to throw the ball by being down so much early, he handled it well (in texans we had a 70 yarder called back for a questionable tripping call). Really hit the nail on the head on the entire post. People wonder how we stayed in games with the saints and colts last year. Its really our style of play on offenses that allows to stay in a lot of games. Minimize possessions by both teams.
     
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    Well, your agenda is obviously to hate on me.

    But, let me say this. Yea, I was one of those who feels like in todays NFL the way to go is to get an elite QB who can sling it, have a running game that can be effective enough to set up play action passes and also provide just enough balance to not get your QB killed. Then on defense, if you can have that kind of offense you really dont even have to be dominant so long as you have a small group of players who can make game changing plays(sacks, fumbles, ints, and defensive scores as a result). I simply belief that is the best formula.

    Obviously, our FO has a completely different idea. They want to run it and not throw INTs while having a dominant defense. My problem is that some of the offenses are so explosive in the league today, and with the rules more or less set up for the offense to have an advantage, its almost impossible to have a defense like that of the Ravens the year they won it all. It just seems really difficult to do. The league is also filled with QBs who even if you are running it well and controlling the game, if you dont put a big enough lead on them, they will ****ing burn your *** in the end. Thats all.

    So while I disagree with the FO philosophy, it dosent mean I dislike them because of it. In fact, I can get with the idea of beating the **** out of the defense and running it 45 times a game. Im just not sure its possible to have the defense you need to have to make that successful to the point of winning enough games to get homefield in the playoffs.

    Again, there is more than one way to skin a cat. If this FO's blueprint works out, then great. Im certainly hoping it does. And as it stands so far this season, they may just be on to something. Its not impossible that their methods could get us what we all desire, a world championship.

    However, if they go 7-9 again, I can promise you I will be pissed. Just like I was that we went 7-9 last year. Whats wrong with that? Shouldnt we as fans be upset when we fail? 7-9 is not acceptable to me.
     
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    Great post. Totally agree.
     
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    I guarantee Crowder would have hit the wrong hole on that 4th down
     
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    yeah hugo i realize that for like the first time in the last like 10 times we went to the cat we actually got something out of it...a first down and into the red zone...

    big damn whoop...what about the other times we got into the redzone and the cat put henne in 3rd and long again...and again etc

    the cat blows if you aren't gonna throw out of it to make them respect at least that element
     
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    i think you give him too much credit...who says he would have shot a gap period???
     
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    We don't run the WC we have been using a direct snap which is more or less lining Ronnie up in the "I". It doesn't work and shouldn't be utilized because the Vikings saw it, stacked the box and din't have much trouble stopping it. The direct snap, like the rest of our offense, is very predictable moreso this year then the 2 previous years with Henning calling plays. I have no problem with being a ball control offense, but I do have a problem when you fail to pass on 1st down to keep the defense off balance.

    I thought the play calling was better against the Vikings but the damn direct snap is pitiful. If they want Ronnie to take snaps, get back in the WC where he has several options and keeps the defense guessing.
     
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    so now the direct snap to ronnie isn't a form of the wildcat...thats news to me

    whatever name you guys want to give it it sucks...for me its still the figuredoutdrivekillinghasbeencat
     
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    I don't hate on you and I have no agenda. Your hating on the FO for something you say doesn't work in today's NFL yet we're 2-0. Your complaining about something that hasn't even happened yet let alone may not even happen, that just seems silly to me. It's like you can't wait to see us fail so you can pound your chest that you were right.
     
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    I clearly stated that it can indeed work and has so far this season. I clearly stated there is more than one way to skin a cat. I clearly stated that you can be successful doing things different ways.

    Im the one telling people to stop bashing Henning. And like I pointed out, if youre bashing Henning, youre basically disagreeing with the fundamental principals of the FO's philosophy and their choices of personel to fit that style.
     
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    The original WC Jake Long was moved to the right side of the line and Chad P was split wide. It's a model of the Single Wing formation used in the early days of football. Now they simply remove Henne from the offense and snap the ball to Ronnie.
     
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    Yeah part of the WC was disguising the package by having Henne still in there.
     
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    well then stop with that single wing t crap also...what do we run 3 plays out of it...2 of which are ronnie take the direct snap and then pick a hole inside or off tackle to get into or hand the ball to ricky on the end around just after the snap...

    and b/t ricky almost fumbled that crap on the handoff exchange he took from ronnie on the end around i wanna say on the first scoring series...

    how hard do you guys think it is to defend pretty much 3 plays with no threat to pass the ball...i guess my point is if you try it and it doesn't work don't go to it repeatedly on 2nd down to get shut down and put henne in constant 3rd and longs and especially not this week...against the jets 3rd and long they dial up those blitz packages that give everyone major fits

    give henne more chance on 1st and 2nd down to make a play...
     
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    you're missing the difference between these formations and also some other things...

    the "wildcat" or the "direct snap" (not sure which it was) got us into TD range and beat the crap out of the vikings on the first drive. We have had continued success with it.

    With the direct snap, they are not using the same formation and mis-direction type stuff...they simply like Ronnie to get an extra second to survey for the right hole etc. ...

    what i agree with you on is that when we are driving on the strength of power I-formation running and short slants etc. and we get to the 50 yard line then Henning calls 2 direct snap plays that go nowhere...that DESTROYS momentum.

    i bascially agree with most of what WV has said, however i dont think the issue some ppl have is as much with Hennings actual plays, but with the time in which they come. I want Henning to start off with a wildcat or direct snap play when we are in good field position, i want him to throw a screen or look for fasano after a 10 yard penalty on first down, and most of all...i want him to try to score more poitns and not be content with being up by 1 TD against very capable teams.

    i basically agree witl the post - i think Henne is going to be a "game manager" but a game manager that can air it out quite well 4-7 games a season as needed. I just dont like the nail biting - i think we should put teams away when we have the edge early. Hopefully, since this FO is so big on division games (as they should be) they have been simply not showing much of the passing game, and we will see it over the next 2 weeks. We are going to need it..
     
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    Great post, but my big issue with Henning is the fact that he just gets too conservative with his play calling the second we have a 3 point lead. If you look at some of the good teams in the nfl, they try to put up points every time their offense gets the ball. Look at the colts on sunday night. They were up by 3+ TD's in the fourth and still threw the ball and scored even more. Im not say henne is manning by any stretch of the imagination but still. Henning doesnt have that killer mentality that some of the games best OC's have and thats step on the neck of your opponent when hes down and keep him there. We all know this soft conservative crappy play calling is going to bit us in the butt sooner or later and may even cost us a shot at the playoff. I think henne can be an effective leader and should be given the chance to pass the ball 20 something times a game and be a factor. If not lets trade Marshall for a stud RB and maybe ronnie for an old Hines Ward (one of the best blocking WR in the game) and just run it every play. In this day and age you have to pass the ball well if you want to win and make it into the playoffs. Henning really seems like the game has passed him by. For us to really stand a chance this year and in the future we have to throw the ball and throw it well. If not fellas, be prepared for another 25+ years of not making it to the superbowl. We will stay a mediocre team for a long time.
     
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    That was my concern. I'm not sure Sparano understands the math or probability in a lot of these situations when he's trying to milk a lead.

    A 14-0 advantage, for example, is not as valuable as 28-14. That may sound ridiculous but it holds up. A team with 14 points has already scored close to its projection. Scoring 14 points falls well within the normal distribution for NFL output. A team with zero points is a severe outlier, to the point you can assert favoritism to eventually dent the scoreboard and find the friendly bell curve. I'll never forget the time a sharp guy explained it to me, during my first year in Las Vegas. I had a 17-0 lead while giving 11 points, late 3rd quarter. The underdog looked hopelessly inept, a pathetic young QB. "Unless you score again, you'll probably lose the bet." I thought he was nuts until he specifically detailed how few NFL teams are held without a TD for an entire game, let alone shut out. Sure enough, just as I was numbing to his words the terrible QB hit three quick throws and I lost the bet by a point. Eventually I looked it up via Excel and he was correct. There are actually many great halftime angles, taking advantage of a team that was shut out in the first half.

    We nursed a 13-3 lead and 14-0 edge. It's fantastic they held up but Buffalo scoring another 7 and Minnesota finding 10 to end those games was almost inevitable, a regression to the mean. I suggest we don't try it too often. Get to low 20s if we can, the median NFL output.
     
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