Extend Parker Now?

No way you extend an underachieving, nagging injury WR at this point when you have his rights for 2 years plus the ability of the franchise tag. He hasn’t even deserved the time you put into this thread OP. Revisit next year.

No way his agent accepts a lowball of 10 or 11 million at this point either when in 2 years that will likely be the floor for average receivers, not potential #1 guys.

Only way you get Parker to extend today is by throwing 5/75 in his face with good guaranteed money in hopes of it not being 5/90 or more in 2 years.

I don’t see the Parker types as the future of the NFL. I think WR’s who accelerate and get open quick are what’s needed. Personally I’m hoping he’s traded before the trade deadline.

Parker is the most boring player on our offense right now. Every year he'll have 2 spectacular grabs while even more passes hit him in the head or hands and get picked. He's bad at timing his jumps and has terrible body control.

Parker has earned a Rashad Matthews contract at 4-5 mill per year and that’s it. I am happy to lock him down for 20 mill for 4 years. He has shown he is worth that. If he does have a big year, Julio Jones him and give him a couple mill bonus and re write his contract to the same base with serious upside incentives. Hell pay him 17 mill guaranteed upfront next and 1 mill a year for the next three with incentive for catches and TD’s so he can have big money potential Iin The event he hits a stride. Worst case scenario you get that big body 50 catch 4 TD receiver for 5 mill.

NBP81 said:

Now hear me out before you call me names... If you adhere to the buy low logic, now would be the time to extend Parker.

• Parker is at the bottom of his range right now, coming off his worst season
• 24 years old, still got a decent contract left in him before he hits any kind of wall
• No off field issues to speak of, while some are dissapointed in the return from a early first round pick, he still has value as a WR
• We have no one on roster to replace him a the moment... UFA will cost more

I see alot of posts every year about how we never extend our players early in order to get discounts, but the same people usually dont want to take the risks involved with this strategy. Good example is Vernon, who everyone agrees we should've signed a year earlier... Problem is, there would've been an outrage if the team had done so with the type of production the team got from him that year... It's about buying low...

Parker could be worth up to 15M per a soon as next off season if he gets a decent season with his measurables, locking him up right now for a fraction of the price could be a very well calculated gamble...

Would you take this gamble?

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Allright. I'm trying to stay calm and read what you wrote and be rational....Ok, hmmm....can't do it. Parker has in his rookie contract here been injury prone, slow to recover, twice needed Gase to call him out so he could play hurt (not injured), and inconsistent. Sure, it's not his fault we took him in the first round. But, he knew the expectation based on where we took him and if he didn't it's because he didn't listen..

To me, you lock up players when they show they are team players and consistently perform. If they do that early, then they get paid early. Both sides benefit. What you're recommending, is not that. It's us paying him more without him DOING even the expectation let alone exceeding the expectation. He didn't come to the Dolphins to be a training camp warrior and then fade away every season with meh stats. He came to the Dolphins to work on his craft and his receiver relationship with Tannehill and then to translate that to being a legit #1 WR in the regular season and beyond.

Parker has in three years 8 Touchdowns and 1908 yards. So, for the #14 pick we have gotten 2.6 tds and 636 yards a year. Is that the player you want to resign early? It isn't to me. Those are not #1 wr stats. Those are 4th or 5th round stats.

What makes you want to resign him now? Because he has done better in camp? If we resigned him right now it would be a mega mistake. The Dolphins have proven they believe in PArker but AT SOME POINT...PARKER HAS TO PROVE HE WANTS IT. Not in TC but in the regular season. Go ahead Parker, make this your highlight year, go nuts to get paid, we should see you actually work for something! Otherwise he can not only not get paid, he can get cut which is what I would do this year unless he has 1K yards and is dominant out there at minimum.

NBP81 said:

Whats the real downside here to paying a player like Parker 10M per? Because the upside could be flat out game changing...

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The downside is you now reinforce to him that piss pour performance is our expectation and make him comfortable. The guy just learned to stop playing video games until 2 am and not eat chicken nuggets for gods sake. Reinforce positives not negatives. He should earn the money! He hasn't earned crap. It;s not about putting in the effort in TC and trying hard it's about succeeding when it matters!

If we sign that bum for 15M. Ill go postal on T-Bum. We didnt give Landry 16M , but that lazy bum Parker 15M. This forum would go nuts... lol

No way they extend him now. He’ll either get overpaid and the league, media, players and fans hammer the Fins for doing so. Or he’s underpaid and Parker takes it personally. He’s played like a 4-5 mil per year player. But Fins can’t pay him that or he’ll have no motivation to play beyond that. And his agents would talk him out of that anyway. Because what if he does play better than that, then what? He’ll try to get Miami to restructure; causing all sorts of distractions. Nobody wants that.

Or they pay him 10-11mil to get him cheaply in case he blows up this year? If he doesn’t then their getting hammered by everyone for the poor decision. If they cut him then they’re carrying dead money. Sounds like they’re trying to carry the majority of the 14 mil in cap space they have now to next year. Or have some cushion in case they need to make a big move during the season. If he does blow up, then DP is unhappy with his contract and holds out for a restructure. Eventually Parker is going to get paid what he’s worth.

It would be different if he had a great second half last year and looked great coming into this season. Even paying him somewhere between both ends sends an awkward message.

They whiffed on Landry. Should have paid him 12 mil per year after his 2016 season. That made sense from a timing, production, worth standpoint. DP isn’t that case at all.

If you think Parker has underachieved, it would be worse if he got paid.

Kdawg954 said:

No way you extend an underachieving, nagging injury WR at this point when you have his rights for 2 years plus the ability of the franchise tag. He hasn’t even deserved the time you put into this thread OP. Revisit next year.

No way his agent accepts a lowball of 10 or 11 million at this point either when in 2 years that will likely be the floor for average receivers, not potential #1 guys.

Only way you get Parker to extend today is by throwing 5/75 in his face with good guaranteed money in hopes of it not being 5/90 or more in 2 years.

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Thats the part I had trouble with when making the thread, what would be a fair offer now and what that price would look like after a good season out of him, like 1000+ yds 8 TDs type season... I thought 10-11M was a fair offer right now but I might be off... Your much better than I am with the cap and players salaries so Im probably on the low side...

While I brought up Parker, I wanted to know generally how people felt about extending a guy, before he breaks out, there's more risk involved obviously but also the opportunity for savings down the road... The subject came up a couple of days ago in another thread about extending X. Cant use that example because he can't sign antything until next offseason...

bakerbakerthetdmaker said:

Allright. I'm trying to stay calm and read what you wrote and be rational....Ok, hmmm....can't do it. Parker has in his rookie contract here been injury prone, slow to recover, twice needed Gase to call him out so he could play hurt (not injured), and inconsistent. Sure, it's not his fault we took him in the first round. But, he knew the expectation based on where we took him and if he didn't it's because he didn't listen..

To me, you lock up players when they show they are team players and consistently perform. If they do that early, then they get paid early. Both sides benefit. What you're recommending, is not that. It's us paying him more without him DOING even the expectation let alone exceeding the expectation. He didn't come to the Dolphins to be a training camp warrior and then fade away every season with meh stats. He came to the Dolphins to work on his craft and his receiver relationship with Tannehill and then to translate that to being a legit #1 WR in the regular season and beyond.

Parker has in three years 8 Touchdowns and 1908 yards. So, for the #14 pick we have gotten 2.6 tds and 636 yards a year. Is that the player you want to resign early? It isn't to me. Those are not #1 wr stats. Those are 4th or 5th round stats.

What makes you want to resign him now? Because he has done better in camp? If we resigned him right now it would be a mega mistake. The Dolphins have proven they believe in PArker but AT SOME POINT...PARKER HAS TO PROVE HE WANTS IT. Not in TC but in the regular season. Go ahead Parker, make this your highlight year, go nuts to get paid, we should see you actually work for something! Otherwise he can not only not get paid, he can get cut which is what I would do this year unless he has 1K yards and is dominant out there at minimum.

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Its not about rewarding anyone, its about making a strategic move in order lock up a player at the right point in time to save money down the road... Im not saying I want them to give him a pat on the back... Im looking at it from another angle, when is the optimal time to sign Parker to the lowest amount possible with the least amount of risk...

NBP81 said:

Its not about rewarding anyone, its about making a strategic move in order lock up a player at the right point in time to save money down the road... Im not saying I want them to give him a pat on the back... Im looking at it from another angle, when is the optimal time to sign Parker to the lowest amount possible with the least amount of risk...

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For how he's playing, why would we lock him up? It's the opposite of incentive. It's rewarding mediocrity. WAY the wrong message.

bakerbakerthetdmaker said:

For how he's playing, why would we lock him up? It's the opposite of incentive. It's rewarding mediocrity. WAY the wrong message.

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The thinking is, lock him up while he's cheap. I get what you are saying, but you cant always just pay guys after the fact, thats how you end up with good players hitting the lotto like Landry and Olivier Vernon. Truth is I havent even voted yet, I'd like to know what other people think about this. We're always complaining that the team isnt pro active about locking up guys before they break the bank, but fail to understand that to do so, you need to take risks... I think its a worthwhile discussion.

It's extremely rare to extend a first rounder after three seasons, especially one that has done less than stellar.

The Cowboys did it with their oline LT and OC, but those guys were damn near all pros.

In the end u really gain little financially by extending early. You just are letting players know how much you value them and insuring they stay with your team.

Parker hasn't earned that.

Kdawg954 said:

It's extremely rare to extend a first rounder after three seasons, especially one that has done less than stellar.

The Cowboys did it with their oline LT and OC, but those guys were damn near all pros.

In the end u really gain little financially by extending early. You just are letting players know how much you value them and insuring they stay with your team.

Parker hasn't earned that.

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Good point...
For what its worth, this is what sparked this discusssion for me...

That was in Xavien Howards thread

NBP81 said:

I realize he's still got a season to go before he can be extended... But generally speaking, if you let the player play an entire season at a high level before extending him, you're not getting any discount... There's no reward without risk...

I'd say its already too late for Howard signing on a cap friendly deal, unless he flops a bit in 2018... In that case, then that'd be the perfect time to sign him long term if you're looking for a discount... But at that point its risky AF... Teams need to be effecient at spotting greatness potential before player's agents even realize it...

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Thing is, he cant be extended before next off-season... The only other example on the team IMo is Parker, and he's a good one because he's a case of buying very low... OTOH, having 2 years left on his contract makes it less of a possibility... I also didnt think 15 per was already in his ballpark(perceived) demands...

NBP81 said:

Now hear me out before you call me names... If you adhere to the buy low logic, now would be the time to extend Parker.

• Parker is at the bottom of his range right now, coming off his worst season
• 24 years old, still got a decent contract left in him before he hits any kind of wall
• No off field issues to speak of, while some are dissapointed in the return from a early first round pick, he still has value as a WR
• We have no one on roster to replace him a the moment... UFA will cost more

I see alot of posts every year about how we never extend our players early in order to get discounts, but the same people usually dont want to take the risks involved with this strategy. Good example is Vernon, who everyone agrees we should've signed a year earlier... Problem is, there would've been an outrage if the team had done so with the type of production the team got from him that year... It's about buying low...

Parker could be worth up to 15M per a soon as next off season if he gets a decent season with his measurables, locking him up right now for a fraction of the price could be a very well calculated gamble...

Would you take this gamble?

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NBP81 said:

Now hear me out before you call me names... If you adhere to the buy low logic, now would be the time to extend Parker.

• Parker is at the bottom of his range right now, coming off his worst season
• 24 years old, still got a decent contract left in him before he hits any kind of wall
• No off field issues to speak of, while some are dissapointed in the return from a early first round pick, he still has value as a WR
• We have no one on roster to replace him a the moment... UFA will cost more

I see alot of posts every year about how we never extend our players early in order to get discounts, but the same people usually dont want to take the risks involved with this strategy. Good example is Vernon, who everyone agrees we should've signed a year earlier... Problem is, there would've been an outrage if the team had done so with the type of production the team got from him that year... It's about buying low...

Parker could be worth up to 15M per a soon as next off season if he gets a decent season with his measurables, locking him up right now for a fraction of the price could be a very well calculated gamble...

Would you take this gamble?

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Although I understand your reasoning, there is no way this dude deserves an extension. Hell if not for his draft status he should be fighting for 6th receiver spot. Yea all the measurables are there but I need at least a half a season of consistency first. He has done absolutely nothing since being drafted to warrant any kind of extension. He already robbed the dolphins with his current contract. I wish this is his breakout year but that would be a big fa

NBP81 said:

Now hear me out before you call me names... If you adhere to the buy low logic, now would be the time to extend Parker.

• Parker is at the bottom of his range right now, coming off his worst season
• 24 years old, still got a decent contract left in him before he hits any kind of wall
• No off field issues to speak of, while some are dissapointed in the return from a early first round pick, he still has value as a WR
• We have no one on roster to replace him a the moment... UFA will cost more

I see alot of posts every year about how we never extend our players early in order to get discounts, but the same people usually dont want to take the risks involved with this strategy. Good example is Vernon, who everyone agrees we should've signed a year earlier... Problem is, there would've been an outrage if the team had done so with the type of production the team got from him that year... It's about buying low...

Parker could be worth up to 15M per a soon as next off season if he gets a decent season with his measurables, locking him up right now for a fraction of the price could be a very well calculated gamble...

Would you take this gamble?

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That's a big fat No. Although your reasoning is sound, this dude has done absolutely nothing to deserve an extension. U cant just extend because a player has all the measurables. This is last chance this year in my opinion. He isn't even the 4th best writer on the team. If it wasnt for his draft status he would be fighting for the 6th reciever spot.he absolutely doesn't deserve an extension