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Is Kyler Murray Fools Gold?

Is Murry Fools Gold

  • I believe he is fools gold

    Votes: 30 28.6%

  • Not a chance .he's the real deal

    Votes: 29 27.6%

  • On the fence

    Votes: 36 34.3%

  • I'm not going on record yet

    Votes: 10 9.5%
  • Total voters
    105
Danny said:
I've seen several people say this but the problem is this......would the FO/HC be ready to say he's a bust after only his rookie year on a not very good team?
Also, wouldn't it be better to draft a top player on defense and then get the QB in 2020? If we draft Murray and then go QB again in 2020 then you missed the chance to help another position. If we draft Murray at 13 then I highly doubt we go QB again in 2020 with our first round pick.
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If the Cards are crazy enough to draft Murray, they basically are telling Josh Rosen he isn't good enough. I dont see it on a QB with question marks size/durability etc like Kyle.

The pressure Gm's have to get it right in the lets say top 10 will cause them to pass on Murray. Not all of them are in the market for a QB and probably are thankful they dont have that pressure of needing to draft him.

IMO he falls to Miami, the question is do we let him pass?
 
TedSlimmJr said:
The reality is nobody does. Not scouts, executives, GM's, agents, coaches - maybe not even Kyler himself.

The whole Kyler Murray phenomenon is entirely unprecedented in terms of combining the relevant factors in play: His stature, his projected draft value, his skillset, the baseball option, and potential success at the next level. He has no comparison.

If he's drafted in the top 25 picks - much less the top 10 - the bottom line is some team is either going to look extremely smart, or extremely stupid. There's no middle ground here. Which is exactly the type of game a team like the Dolphins need to be playing. The only thing worse than being no good for any professional sports organization is being irrelevant. That's what the Dolphins are and have been for 2 decades.

Bottom line is this - don't listen to other people or read other people's opinions on the internet that have no more of a clue about him than you do.

Watch him play. If the size is what concerns you, then go try to find instances on film of where his size was an issue. If any traits concern you, then go find on film where they were an issue.

The only question that you can't find an answer to is the baseball factor. That's the one that concerns me. Other than that, you pretty much touched one of the most important things in your post. He is athletically gifted. However, he's also a legitimately talented passer of the football. This isn't Lamar Jackson or Kordell Stewart out there trying to play quarterback. Murray is a different level as a passer. He's just short.

However, there are valid concerns also. He's got some groupies out there that have never given a balanced assessment in terms of what he does wrong or need to improve on. But the question for NFL teams boils down to this - is he worth the gamble where you're picking? Whether it's #1 overall or #31 overall. That's the question every team will have to ask themselves.

At #13 overall for the Dolphins - he probably is in my opinion.
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I know you have likely watched close to all of his snaps. At least enough to know him and and out from a skillset point.

Someone like myself j got tuned in later in the season but I watched every snap of Our beloved Miami Dolphins.

All i know is if there is a chance to get that playmaker I saw at Oklahoma, with the skill set and blurrr I saw him play with, I make it a priority.

And to your point, if we bust and look stupid, it damn sure beats the irrelevancy of this franchise. Not only irrelevant but pretty damn boring as well, especially on offense.

The excitement of drafting a kid like this would be the most exciting we have done in 10 years . . . .even if he ends up a bust.

Have to roll that dice.
 
rent this space said:
"Sources" have used the word tanking but I don't think Ross or Grier did. They talk about building the "right way" which usually means a slow, methodical approach where you're addressing the trenches first, dropping older(expensive) players and focusing on the draft. They need 2-3 players on each side of the line, linebackers CBs, and others depending on cuts as well as a starting QB. That's why I don't think they will sacrifice the rest of the needs to move up for Murray, that is something the Dolphins GMs of the past would do.
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I don’t know of any recent Dolphin GMs that have sacrificed picks to get a potential franchise QB in the draft.

I know of instances of letting Tannehill come to them and passing on Luke Kuechley. I know of them taking an OT over Matt Ryan. I know of them potentially passing on a trade up for Flacco and settling for Henne falling to them. I know of them overdrsfting a smaller stature QB to run a gimmick offense. I know of them having a HOF in Brees ripe for the taking but going with a need at CB. I know of them taking a combine killing RB when a QB from Cal made plenty of sense. Hell they could of been in the Watson/Mahomes race if they had some conviction in them and not depnd on a QB ho had accomplished little and just had a major knee injury.

Truth is, we have never had any conviction when addressing the QB position since 13 retired and it is a major part of our irrelevance over the years.

All we do is attempt to build around the status quo . . . .they need to grow a pair and keep taking a guy until u hit the jackpot. Then the building process becomes suprisingly easier.
 
I'm on the fence with Murray still. He's certainly a talented player but I think it's difficult to judge right now because we have never seen a prospect like Murray before with his size and his talent. He's also only played one season but it was an amazing year.

I would be all for drafting Murray at 13 IF we are still willing to draft a top QB in 2020 if Murray looks bad his rookie year. That's more concerning to me is that by drafting a QB that high then we obligated to stick with him for at least a couple years and I'd hate to miss out on better prototypical QB prospects in 2020 draft.

And like others have mentioned we really need to build the lines and I don't see us using a lot of resources in free agency this year.

Seems like a gamble and I'm not sure this new staff will have the balls to pull the trigger on Murray. But I wouldn't be upset of we did draft him because he was exciting to watch in college.
 
Kdawg954 said:
I don’t know of any recent Dolphin GMs that have sacrificed picks to get a potential franchise QB in the draft.

I know of instances of letting Tannehill come to them and passing on Luke Kuechley. I know of them taking an OT over Matt Ryan. I know of them potentially passing on a trade up for Flacco and settling for Henne falling to them. I know of them overdrsfting a smaller stature QB to run a gimmick offense. I know of them having a HOF in Brees ripe for the taking but going with a need at CB. I know of them taking a combine killing RB when a QB from Cal made plenty of sense. Hell they could of been in the Watson/Mahomes race if they had some conviction in them and not depnd on a QB ho had accomplished little and just had a major knee injury.

Truth is, we have never had any conviction when addressing the QB position since 13 retired and it is a major part of our irrelevance over the years.

All we do is attempt to build around the status quo . . . .they need to grow a pair and keep taking a guy until u hit the jackpot. Then the building process becomes suprisingly easier.
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I was speaking more of trades for Dion Jordan, Brandon Marshall and AJ Feeley. Sacrificing multiple assets for one player who supposedly "moves the needle" but weakening other areas gains no ground. If you want to send Murray out there with 4 new faces on the line, I guess it shows conviction in the QB but you probably won't get to enjoy him very long
 
I'm not going on record as a supporter because I want the draft to go DT, G, DE...but we shall see.
 
The real question is, if he does fall to Miami at 13 and they pass on him what do you think of the FO? They could be geniuses or they could be morons depending on who you ask.
 
I’m sure I saw somewhere that the Giants were looking to try and get Russell Wilson in a trade. Surely Seattle wouldn’t go there?

If that happened that would be one team above us not drafting a QB.
 
mrbunglez said:
The real question is, if he does fall to Miami at 13 and they pass on him what do you think of the FO? They could be geniuses or they could be morons depending on who you ask.
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Wed find out in April of 2020 lol. And honestly prob wouldnt know for about 3 more years anyways
 
Dolphins81 said:
The big problem with drafting Tannehill is that we didn’t draft another QB for 7 years after. We never brought in any competition. I feel that the same thing will happen if we draft Murray. We will miss out on the 2020 QB draft. Another issue I have with Murray is that he is a product of a system. I highly doubt he is successful outside of Lincoln Riley‘s system. When playing Bama, Murray looked lost when Bama shut their system and gimmick plays down. People say “well that because it’s Bama”. Here is the problem, Murray is going to face 16 defenses every year that are all better than Bama and faster. Sure, Murray would be fun to watch but very few predominantly run QBs have won a super bowl or had long term NFL careers.

However, I won’t be completely mad if we draft him at 13. We have wasted so many 1st round picks that I am use to it. However, trading up would be a complete mistake.
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I agree with you but that is what we are used to, hopefully not what we now are. I think and hope that this regime is smart enough to bring in as many quarterbacks until we hit a winner.

I think that as coaches that coached a team led by Tom Brady, all of our coaches (even the defensive guys) have learned the importance of having an elite QB.
 
Dudes got everything you want as a QB except size. And unfortunately not only does he not have size, he's actually tiny by NFL QB standards.

Like he is literally the size of Doug Flutie or maybe even slightly shorter.

I'll pass on a 5'9 QB all day every day in the draft, especially in the first round.
 
He’s fool’s gold to me. Many are excited at the backyard playmaking ability, but that backyard stuff rarely translates to the NFL. Particularly that style at his size.

I also think he lacks the kind of feel that a Russ Wilson had for the passing game when he was at Wisconsin.

If you are a GM that takes him high, and he becomes a bust, then you are a GM that will be selling car insurance in 3 years.
 
mrbunglez said:
The real question is, if he does fall to Miami at 13 and they pass on him what do you think of the FO? They could be geniuses or they could be morons depending on who you ask.
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It doesn't have to be Kyler Murray, but they need to be right. You better nail that 13th pick and have a plan for QB.

I would love Kyler Murray and i think he's going to be a superstar in the NFL similar to how Seth Curry changed the NBA.
 
Kdawg954 said:
I don’t know of any recent Dolphin GMs that have sacrificed picks to get a potential franchise QB in the draft.

I know of instances of letting Tannehill come to them and passing on Luke Kuechley. I know of them taking an OT over Matt Ryan. I know of them potentially passing on a trade up for Flacco and settling for Henne falling to them. I know of them overdrsfting a smaller stature QB to run a gimmick offense. I know of them having a HOF in Brees ripe for the taking but going with a need at CB. I know of them taking a combine killing RB when a QB from Cal made plenty of sense. Hell they could of been in the Watson/Mahomes race if they had some conviction in them and not depnd on a QB ho had accomplished little and just had a major knee injury.

Truth is, we have never had any conviction when addressing the QB position since 13 retired and it is a major part of our irrelevance over the years.

All we do is attempt to build around the status quo . . . .they need to grow a pair and keep taking a guy until u hit the jackpot. Then the building process becomes suprisingly easier.
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Ross hasn't really required any conviction at that position out of the FO. We tried to go the long way by building a great team around an average QB multiple times.
 
KB21 said:
If you are a GM that takes him high, and he becomes a bust, then you are a GM that will be selling car insurance in 3 years.
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Doubt it. All the NFL does is recycle GM's and coaches.

Taking guys like Charles Harris high should be what has you selling insurance. If that doesn't do it nothing will.
 
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