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A Honest look at Jeff Ireland

J. David Wannyheimer said:
11-5
7-9
7-9
6-10
7-9
8-8

That's not a good record.

Jake Long, Jake Grove, Justin Smiley, John Jerry, Dallas Thomas, Jon Martin, Tyson Clabo, Bryant McKinnie, Richie Incognito. Five years spent investing either good draft picks or significant amounts of money in offensive linemen who aren't any good. None of them are good. Other NFL executives have said that our offensive line is "expansion level."

Legedu Naanee, Anthony Armstrong, Jabar Gaffney, Marlon Moore, Armon Binns. In 2012, the team rotated that cast of characters as the starting boundary wide receiver opposite Brian Hartline. Jeff Ireland kept bringing them in, the coaching staff kept giving them a shot, and they kept being total garbage.

Koa Misi, Philip Wheeler, Dannell Ellerbe. All signed to big money contracts in 2013. All part of the reason that our run defense took a nosedive and we got torched by screen passes all season.

Lamar Miller and Daniel Thomas. The running backs we decided to enter the season with. They aren't good runners, they aren't good receivers, and they aren't good pass blockers. Jeff Ireland traded up for these guys.

Reshad Jones got a huge contract this offseason. He's a bad football player. Why did we throw money at him again?

We drafted a kicker because our previous kicker was struggling to get touchbacks, struggling on long kicks, and had missed a couple of critical field goals. We drafted a kicker who struggles to get touchbacks, struggles on long kicks, and has missed a couple of critical field goals.

He traded for Brandon Marshall -- a guy who was known to have MAJOR personality issues -- and then traded away for less than we paid for him. Because of those same personality issues.

Our 2013 draft class did nothing for our football team. Nothing. We had picks and money entering the 2013 offseason and we drafted the 2013 draft class that contributed the least of any class in the entire league in its rookie season. We signed a good wide receiver, but we overpaid for his services. We extended a safety who had one good statistical season to a HUGE contract and then changed up his responsibilities, and he was terrible. We signed two new linebackers to big money deals and they are ****ING TERRIBLE.

Do you feel I need to continue? He created several new holes in our football team this season. Anthony Fasano signed elsewhere for peanuts. Why the **** did we draft Dion Sims? He doesn't contribute as much as a receiver and doesn't block as well. We let Jake Long walk and our backup plan was a struggling headcase and a guy who was going to RETIRE if we didn't offer him 5 million dollars to come back for one last ride. We let Reggie Bush, our best touchdown producer, walk for a guy with a career YPC of 3.6 and an unproven player who can't pick up his blocking assignments.

Jeff Ireland sometimes spots good bargain talent -- I certainly wouldn't argue against that point. However, Jeff Ireland has no clue how to construct a functioning NFL roster and is now creating holes that he fails to fill.
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But other than that Mrs Kennedy, how was the parade?

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Personally, I think your fandom has caused you to come to a conclusion (Ireland isn't that bad) and you've arbitrarily decided which information is more valid to fit your preconceived conclusion. You excuse actual numbers such as team record and draft picks with more non quantifiable rhetoric such as the coach changing, parcells and different personnel. I think you really really want Ireland to be a good gm so you twist things to fit this notion. Try to take a step back, look at the teams record under his tenure, the failed draft picks and than look at your excuses for it.

We have a huge jets homer that frequents here that does the same exact thing. Mindset is the same, just different teams you guys are rooting for.
 
He's spent a ton of resources on OL, and this year's line gave up more sacks than any other in the history of the NFL. Fact.
 
Unchained 07 said:
But other than that Mrs Kennedy, how was the parade?

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Funny reply, but I think Mr. Wannyheimer makes some good points, especially those he made against our O-line. No one can defend our line giving up a record number of sacks this season, no one. Nothing against Ireland personally, but I think it is safe to say that most of us want a GM to take us to the next level and he is not it.

Opps. Apologies Dolphin7273, I didn't mean to repeat what you said.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
How do you know this? Can you provide a source, please? Because that's interesting, and if true, really even more damning of Jeff.
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I dont have an article, but I remember Philbin saying he sat down with Gibson prior to signing (just after he visited the Jets) and discuss Gibson's potential role with the team (moving inside), and that's when Gibson agreed. It also sounded like Philbin did the film work on Gibson's evaluation.
 
SWS84 said:
Funny reply, but I think Mr. Wannyheimer makes some good points, especially those he made against our O-line. No one can defend our line giving up a record number of sacks this season, no one.
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Me too, I don't disagree with any of them.
 
2socks said:
90% of the posters on this board want Ireland fired. Please factually tell us why.
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How many more threads explaining the reasons do you need??? Did you bother to even look at the numerous other threads on the subject? You've been provided with many facts. If you disagree with them, fine, but you show up here having made hardly any posts for FOUR YEARS and now you've made a few dozen posts in the past two days all with one purpose in mind: saving Ireland's sorry ass. Nothing else about this team seems to interest you except that one singular issue. I wonder why that is, Jeff?
 
dlockz said:
quite Simple

He has been Gm for six years. The last 5 years we have not had a winning season.
You are quite trying to overthink this.
His job is to put a winning product on field scheme after scheme and he hasn't don't it.
We can make excuses for years but the facts are he is not getting the job done and he is the one constant.
I mean if we fire Sherman who many say has done a poor job then you will have an excuse next year why he should not be fired.
Then we keep him and the next year they fire Coyle.
Every team will have change.
No team keeps the same staff and same players every year.
if we were good we would lose staff to other teams, when u are bad u fire staff.
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you are mistaken in what I think

I think Ireland has a lot of blame for a lot of things. I disagree with a lot of what has been done.

I am not into blowing up this team for the sake of blowing up this team. We either clean house and start over with everyone or we don't. If we do, we have to have realistic expectations of progress. Simply put, it is a 5 year deal.

Dude I been going thru this year for 41 yrs....I am tired of it

It is obvious Ross never seen the loss' coming and to "hurry up" and start a new 5 yr cycle is irresponsible.

Why you can not acknowledge Jeff Ireland has not had the opportunity at a single 5 yr cycle is silly. He deserves at least the chance....so does Philbin
 
Roman529 said:
1. Horrible drafts....how many guys that Ireland has drafted have made any difference to this team??? Look at the guys Ireland has passed on. Given away picks, players for nothing (Marshall, etc.).

2. The Dolphin's team record is IRRELEVANT to Ireland...he is NOT a coach. He is in charge of our draft and player moves. Who cares about the team record while he has been here? It's apples and oranges.

That is all.
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Are u saying we should have kept Brandon? I would have. Looks pretty good now doesn't he. He's gone because Philbin wanted it done. Just like Long, Dansby, Burnette, Vonte and Bush
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
11-5
7-9
7-9
6-10
7-9
8-8

That's not a good record.

Jake Long, Jake Grove, Justin Smiley, John Jerry, Dallas Thomas, Jon Martin, Tyson Clabo, Bryant McKinnie, Richie Incognito. Five years spent investing either good draft picks or significant amounts of money in offensive linemen who aren't any good. None of them are good. Other NFL executives have said that our offensive line is "expansion level."

Legedu Naanee, Anthony Armstrong, Jabar Gaffney, Marlon Moore, Armon Binns. In 2012, the team rotated that cast of characters as the starting boundary wide receiver opposite Brian Hartline. Jeff Ireland kept bringing them in, the coaching staff kept giving them a shot, and they kept being total garbage.

Koa Misi, Philip Wheeler, Dannell Ellerbe. All signed to big money contracts in 2013. All part of the reason that our run defense took a nosedive and we got torched by screen passes all season.

Lamar Miller and Daniel Thomas. The running backs we decided to enter the season with. They aren't good runners, they aren't good receivers, and they aren't good pass blockers. Jeff Ireland traded up for these guys.

Reshad Jones got a huge contract this offseason. He's a bad football player. Why did we throw money at him again?

We drafted a kicker because our previous kicker was struggling to get touchbacks, struggling on long kicks, and had missed a couple of critical field goals. We drafted a kicker who struggles to get touchbacks, struggles on long kicks, and has missed a couple of critical field goals.

He traded for Brandon Marshall -- a guy who was known to have MAJOR personality issues -- and then traded away for less than we paid for him. Because of those same personality issues.

Our 2013 draft class did nothing for our football team. Nothing. We had picks and money entering the 2013 offseason and we drafted the 2013 draft class that contributed the least of any class in the entire league in its rookie season. We signed a good wide receiver, but we overpaid for his services. We extended a safety who had one good statistical season to a HUGE contract and then changed up his responsibilities, and he was terrible. We signed two new linebackers to big money deals and they are ****ING TERRIBLE.

Do you feel I need to continue? He created several new holes in our football team this season. Anthony Fasano signed elsewhere for peanuts. Why the **** did we draft Dion Sims? He doesn't contribute as much as a receiver and doesn't block as well. We let Jake Long walk and our backup plan was a struggling headcase and a guy who was going to RETIRE if we didn't offer him 5 million dollars to come back for one last ride. We let Reggie Bush, our best touchdown producer, walk for a guy with a career YPC of 3.6 and an unproven player who can't pick up his blocking assignments.

Jeff Ireland sometimes spots good bargain talent -- I certainly wouldn't argue against that point. However, Jeff Ireland has no clue how to construct a functioning NFL roster and is now creating holes that he fails to fill.
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Not dismissing any of your points but again I remind you that most of all of this was done under the direction of others to fit, not 1, not 2 but 3 different schemes and coaching changes

Ireland has been here for 6 yrs

1. 08/09 Under Parcells 11-5 playoffs lost first round
2. 09/10 Under Parcells 7-9
3 10/11 Sparano enters picture, new shemes, complete coaching change(sort of, Parcells still here) 7-9
4 11/12 Sparano personal adjustments 6-10, Sparano fired
5. 12/13 Philbin enters picture (picked by Ross), new schemes, complete coaching change 7-9
6. 13/14 Philbin personal adjustments 8-8 TBD


Ireland has never had more then 1 season building any scheme implemented since he was Hired

Why don't you take your little list and put it in context under years the events actually occurred, so we can have a better idea of your point

you won't
 
2socks said:
Why you can not acknowledge Jeff Ireland has not had the opportunity at a single 5 yr cycle is silly. He deserves at least the chance....so does Philbin
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So theoretically, if Ireland can convince Ross to can the HC every 3-4 years, he should be able to keep his job forever because he'd never have a 5 yr cycle.
Phooey!

He's been GM for 6 seasons now and all he's brought us is mediocrity.
Holding on the mediocrity for fear that you'll go in the wrong direction is foolishness. It's time to cut the ginger genius loose. :broken:
 
Dr. Phin said:
90% want Ireland fired? I don't think so! About 10% have been wanting him fired. The rest either jumped on the band wagon today, or are simply not posting in the forum.

We have been stating our case for 3 years now, so if you don't know what it is...you're simply ignoring that fact...or are ignorant.
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I admit I could be ignorant. I looked at the pole in the other thread. It's now 92%. Am I missing something?

I just don't get this whole attitude. Why is everyone down on Ireland/Philbin when it is obvious what is going on? Is this a psychological need for change. We changed from Parcells to Sparano after 3 yrs. People screamed 2 years ago about Sparano we changed again. Now we want to change again after only 2 years....WTF It's a 4 or 5 yr cycle. We either get it or we don't. I want to win just like everyone else but blowing up a half way decent foundation again just for the sake of making change is nothing more then suicide.
 
2socks said:
I admit I could be ignorant. I looked at the pole in the other thread. It's now 92%. Am I missing something?

I just don't get this whole attitude. Why is everyone down on Ireland/Philbin when it is obvious what is going on? Is this a psychological need for change. People screamed 2 years ago about Sparano we changed again after only 2 years. Now we want to change again....WTF It's a 4 or 5 yr cycle. We either get it or we don't. I want to win just like everyone else but blowing up a half way decent foundation again is nothing more then suicide.
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Speculation. Just because you really really don't want it to happen doesn't mean its so. I thought you wanted to stick with factual elements instead of the mostly conjecture you're putting out there
 
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