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A Honest look at Jeff Ireland

2socks said:
Are u saying we should have kept Brandon? I would have. Looks pretty good now doesn't he. He's gone because Philbin wanted it done. Just like Long, Dansby, Burnette, Vonte and Bush
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How many times has Brandon Marshall helped his team to the playoffs? I'll give you a hint...none. It's not that he was traded away, it's that we gave up 2 2nd round picks for him and only got 2 3rd round picks in return and Ireland didn't have a plan to replace him on the roster. Remember that trade happened shortly after Philbin became head coach and there was plenty of time to address the WR corp...instead we went into the season with a rookie QB who had Brian Hartline and 4 undrafted free agent WRs...that's a big fail and not the way you want to develop your supposed QB of the future.
 
2socks said:
Not dismissing any of your points but again I remind you that most of all of this was done under the direction of others to fit, not 1, not 2 but 3 different schemes and coaching changes

Ireland has been here for 6 yrs

1. 08/09 Under Parcells 11-5 playoffs lost first round
2. 09/10 Under Parcells 7-9
3 10/11 Sparano enters picture, new shemes, complete coaching change(sort of, Parcells still here) 7-9
4 11/12 Sparano personal adjustments 6-10, Sparano fired
5. 12/13 Philbin enters picture (picked by Ross), new schemes, complete coaching change 7-9
6. 13/14 Philbin personal adjustments 8-8 TBD


Ireland has never had more then 1 season building any scheme implemented since he was Hired

Why don't you take your little list and put it in context under years the events actually occurred, so we can have a better idea of your point

you won't
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Why are you saying "Sparano enters the picture in 2010"?
 
2socks said:
Not dismissing any of your points but again I remind you that most of all of this was done under the direction of others to fit, not 1, not 2 but 3 different schemes and coaching changes

Ireland has been here for 6 yrs

1. 08/09 Under Parcells 11-5 playoffs lost first round
2. 09/10 Under Parcells 7-9
3 10/11 Sparano enters picture, new shemes, complete coaching change(sort of, Parcells still here) 7-9
4 11/12 Sparano personal adjustments 6-10, Sparano fired
5. 12/13 Philbin enters picture (picked by Ross), new schemes, complete coaching change 7-9
6. 13/14 Philbin personal adjustments 8-8 TBD


Ireland has never had more then 1 season building any scheme implemented since he was Hired

Why don't you take your little list and put it in context under years the events actually occurred, so we can have a better idea of your point

you won't
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You do realize that Sparano was the coach when we went to the playoffs in 2008, don't you? There was no scheme change there was no coaching change...it was Wildcat from game 3 of 2008 till Sparano was fired in 2011.
 
datruth55 said:
You do realize that Sparano was the coach when we went to the playoffs in 2008, don't you? There was no scheme change there was no coaching change...it was Wildcat from game 3 of 2008 till Sparano was fired in 2011.
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I don't think he understands a lot of what he's saying
 
2socks said:
Not dismissing any of your points but again I remind you that most of all of this was done under the direction of others to fit, not 1, not 2 but 3 different schemes and coaching changes
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The one constant in this river of **** is Jeff Ireland. The ONE constant. Is Jeff Ireland.

Ireland has been here for 6 yrs

1. 08/09 Under Parcells 11-5 playoffs lost first round
2. 09/10 Under Parcells 7-9
3 10/11 Sparano enters picture, new shemes, complete coaching change(sort of, Parcells still here) 7-9
4 11/12 Sparano personal adjustments 6-10, Sparano fired
5. 12/13 Philbin enters picture (picked by Ross), new schemes, complete coaching change 7-9
6. 13/14 Philbin personal adjustments 8-8 TBD

Ireland has never had more then 1 season building any scheme implemented since he was Hired

Why don't you take your little list and put it in context under years the events actually occurred, so we can have a better idea of your point

you won't
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This is laughable. "Sparano enters the picture" in 2010? He was on the scene since 2008. And even by your hilariously self-serving timeline, 2010-2011 is two years building for the same scheme. 2012-2013 is two years building for the same scheme. 2008-2011 was FOUR years building for the same scheme.

Here's some context: if you aren't trolling, you're straight up clueless.

Jeff Ireland blows.
 
Zounds said:
I though Ireland took too much heat for past drafts and free agent signings, but the 2013 draft and free agent signings were just terrible imo. We had so many draft picks, and even traded Bess on draft day for more picks, and we couldn't come away with one single starter or solid contributor. This was the worst draft he has had imo.

Aside from the draft, he prematurely extended Reshad Jones, downgraded our LB corps, disregarded the long-term sustainability of the LT/RT positions, and completely ignored the RB position. We now know that Brandon Gibson was recruited by Philbin, and I think its safe to say that only one or two positions was upgraded this offseason by Ireland, and that is because of Grimes and Wallace. One offseason with tons of picks and tons of cap space, and all we get is one or two positional upgrades. That's unacceptable. The only reason we won 8 games was pure coaching.
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Did you ever consider that maybe the Head Coach has no idea what he needs to fill out his schemes or systems. That maybe, just maybe there is a learning curve between two men trying to accomplish the same goal.

If needed we replaced Dansby and Burnette and look what we got: Ellerbe and Wheeler. We went from Dansby ranked at #25, Burnette outside the top 50, to Both linebeackers outside the 50. So who's request was that? Coyle or Philbin?
 
There can only be one reason why some people are still defending Ireland. They don't want to be proven wrong!! Some people on this board take sides with a player or a coach or a GM way too fast. Once they do they tell us how great that player/coach/GM is. When it starts to look like their evaluation of that person might be wrong, they start to defend that person. They start to twist and spin everyting and blame everything and everyone for it. How many threads have we seen telling us that we can't blame Ireland for anything early on cause Parcells was in charge? Any player that does something good the praise Ireland(not much to praise this year)but if the player does bad then it's on the coaches. I don't believe that these people ar actually happy with 7 and 9 and 8 and 8 seasons but they keep telling us that we're making progress. Why? Cause at this point and after defending reland for so long, they'd be admiting that they were wrong all along so they let their pride get in their way. It's hard to admit you're wrong for some people. They'd rather keep telling us that Ireland is the guy for the job and keep on not making the playoffs than to admit they were wrong. Here'sthe funny thing......if 90% of us want him gone after 5 years of not making the playoffs, how can 10% still want him to stay? What has he ever done that is so impresive that these 10% of people want to defend him? The answer is nothing. They're just too proud to admit they're wrong. Anyone coming out now and admiting to being wrong about Ireland will get praise from this board. Anyone who wants to stick to Ireland being the right guy for the job has to either be too proud or too delusional at this point.

Ozzy rules!!
 
Awsi Dooger said:
IMO, we lack a stadium with home field impact, and we lack special people atop the organization. Fix those aspects and everything else naturally falls in place.

I'd like to find a general manager who can confidently step behind a microphone, articulately state a plan of action minus secrecy or paranoia, and then set out to do it, block by intelligent block.

With only 32 spots, you have to aspire higher than Jeff Ireland. This season he took away one of the joys of following a professional team...tracking the rookies game by game. By midseason I had forgotten their names. In recent weeks it never occurred to me that we actually drafted anyone last spring.
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So you believe that Jeff Ireland single handedly with no input from anyone dismantled this team. It's all his fault
 
I think Ireland should only be judged on his work since Parcells left. We have no idea what he was allowed to do and not do while Bill was there. We also have no idea how many of his decisions may have been overturned by Parcells.
 
What have they accomplished under his watch? Nothing. It's time to move on from non winning seasons and bad drafts.
 
I still can't get over someone saying that "Sparano entered the picture in 2010". Who the hell coached the Dolphins in 2008 and 2009?
 
ForksPhin said:
I still can't get over someone saying that "Sparano entered the picture in 2010". Who the hell coached the Dolphins in 2008 and 2009?
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2socks:
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2socks said:
It's a 4 or 5 yr cycle.
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If that's true, you'd expect to see incremental improvements as we approach the 5 year mark. We're not seeing that. These guys are playing whack-a-mole, addressing one problem while allowing another to be created. They're racing to the finish line on a stationary bike.
 
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