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About Ginn in the 1st round...

TotoreMexico said:
His point is: just because a guy has speed doesn't mean he'll be a great WR
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and it definately doesnt hurt his prospect either-hell at this point i would rather take a shot on a fast guy with huge upside(that has huge bust potential) than to go with another Derek Hagan in the 3rd-decent speed at best-below average hands-and probably wont crack the starting line up in canada....yeah i think I would go with Ginn- and i dont think that anybody is sold on Mr. Chambers right now
 
I wouldn't take Ginn that high

we can get a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round

40 speed is so overrated, I'll take the next Anquan Boldin anyday

NFL CB's will just jam the hell out of Ginn anyways

what was Colston's 40 time?
 
PhinSoldia said:
and it definately doesnt hurt his prospect either-hell at this point i would rather take a shot on a fast guy with huge upside(that has huge bust potential) than to go with another Derek Hagan in the 3rd-decent speed at best-below average hands-and probably wont crack the starting line up in canada....yeah i think I would go with Ginn- and i dont think that anybody is sold on Mr. Chambers right now
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What do you mean take a shot at a fast guy? You say no one is sold on Chambers right now... but he ran a 4.3 40! At best Ginn is another Chambers. Only Chambers has a better vertical leap, and probably better hands... ouch!
 
Those 40 times are ****ed up - Chad Johnson did NOT run a 4.57

I remember wanting him at #26 that year.....he ran in the 4.4's.
 
KiNG said:
Those 40 times are ****ed up - Chad Johnson did NOT run a 4.57

I remember wanting him at #26 that year.....he ran in the 4.4's.
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Yo, don't hate on me... hate on the website I used for info! They are the most comprehensive source for past draftees and combine #'s etc. Keep in mind I posted what was cited as combine #'s, if they were available... NOT personal workouts etc. If a guy chose not to workout at the combine, and instead did a personal workout for scouts, then I was forced to use that instead. Anyway, like I said don't argue with me... argue with these guys:
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/rating...tyear=2006&GenPos=WR&sortorder=cone&order=ASC
Click on the link above, then go to the year Chad Johnson was drafted, then go to WR's, and then click on his name. So YES, he DID run a 4.57 at the combine. Maybe he ran better in a personal workout, but he still ran just as I printed. Sorry... but that's why he wasn't drafted in the 1st. Hence, my point that speed is a little overrated... important, but similarly overrated.
 
KiNG said:
Those 40 times are ****ed up - Chad Johnson did NOT run a 4.57

I remember wanting him at #26 that year.....he ran in the 4.4's.
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Chad Johnson absolutely did not run in the 4.4's. He had a poor time and significantly dropped his stock. 4.57 actually sounds faster than I remember him running it, but it could be right.

edit: here's a link from another site, I guess 4.57 is about right after all, Kiper had him at 5.54 and Clayton just says mid 4.5's.

http://espn.go.com/melkiper/s/2001/0307/1136944.html

http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/clayton_john/1110727.html
 
Crowder52 said:
Chad Johnson absolutely did not run in the 4.4's. He had a poor time and significantly dropped his stock. 4.57 actually sounds faster than I remember him running it, but it could be right.

edit: here's a link from another site, I guess 4.57 is about right after all, Kiper had him at 5.54 and Clayton just says mid 4.5's.

http://espn.go.com/melkiper/s/2001/0307/1136944.html

http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/clayton_john/1110727.htmlhttp://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/clayton_john/1110727.htmlhttp://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/clayton_john/1110727.html
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Johnson's time in the 40 at the Combine is the reason why so many players skip running there. His time of 4.57 dropped his stock but the Cincinnati WRs coach timed him four times before the draft and timed him at 4.36, 4.38, 4.42 and 4.43. So I'm sure Cincinnati were elated when he was around in the 2nd round.
 
Geforce said:
Johnson's time in the 40 at the Combine is the reason why so many players skip running there. His time of 4.57 dropped his stock but the Cincinnati WRs coach timed him four times before the draft and timed him at 4.36, 4.38, 4.42 and 4.43. So I'm sure Cincinnati were elated when he was around in the 2nd round.
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i guess this is why the elite prospects dont participate at the combine
 
Geforce said:
Johnson's time in the 40 at the Combine is the reason why so many players skip running there. His time of 4.57 dropped his stock but the Cincinnati WRs coach timed him four times before the draft and timed him at 4.36, 4.38, 4.42 and 4.43. So I'm sure Cincinnati were elated when he was around in the 2nd round.
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Proving my point, isn't it ridiculous that Chad Johnson could've been a top 15 pick IF he'd had a 4.30 40 time? Yet dropped to the 2nd rd b/c he ran a slow time at the combine? This has been my point, is that there is too much accentuation on the 40 time. Whether his 40 time was realistically 4.3 or his combine 4.5, he is a true WR, first and foremost. The 40 time is usually not truly representative of football speed.
 
I heard this on NFL radio and it stuck with me(paraphrasing):

scouts are impressed with forty times, but when coaches get involved a WR coach will say "I don't need a 4.4 guy, I need a 4.5 guy who can stick his foot in the ground and run a sharp route"

I also have to ask, what percentage of the time does a receiver need to rely on reading defenses and running a good route as opposed to running a fast 40?

I love a YAC guy like Anquan Boldin, he loves to get open and then start hitting guys. now that is an NFL WR, not a 6' 180 pound guy part time WR who considered a move to defense
 
Lisle Phin Fan said:
I heard this on NFL radio and it stuck with me(paraphrasing):

scouts are impressed with forty times, but when coaches get involved a WR coach will say "I don't need a 4.4 guy, I need a 4.5 guy who can stick his foot in the ground and run a sharp route"

I also have to ask, what percentage of the time does a receiver need to rely on reading defenses and running a good route as opposed to running a fast 40?

I love a YAC guy like Anquan Boldin, he loves to get open and then start hitting guys. now that is an NFL WR, not a 6' 180 pound guy part time WR who considered a move to defense
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Man, excellent. 'Nuff said...
 
I wasn't talking about the combine; I was referring to Pro Day.

He ran in the 4.4's.
 
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