AJ is indeed improving

[gofins]

I think Saban summed it all up by not drafting a QB.

 

[FinzManiac]

Looks to me like you were harping an awful lot on that 15 minutes. even compared him to Dan. I didn't put words in your post. They are all already there.

Yes I am harping an awful lot on that 15 minutes, because it was just that...15 minutes. And I was making comparisons to the way he played during that stretch to Dan while I was watching the game...during that short period of time. I even went back and replayed some of the passes he made during that quarter to analyze it. He did an awesome job...but it was what I said it was...15 minutes during an entire season.

Even with your quoting and highlighting you still failed to point out where I said anything about him being a great QB. Was he really good during that quarter? Yes...does that make him a great QB for his career? Of course not...that's just common friggin' sense.

 

[gofins]

Yes I am harping an awful lot on that 15 minutes, because it was just that...15 minutes. And I was making comparisons to the way he played during that stretch to Dan while I was watching the game...during that short period of time. I even went back and replayed some of the passes he made during that quarter to analyze it. He did an awesome job...but it was what I said it was...15 minutes during an entire season.

Even with your quoting and highlighting you still failed to point out where I said anything about him being a great QB. Was he really good during that quarter? Yes...does that make him a great QB for his career? Of course not...that's just common friggin' sense.

Well, I understood what you were trying to say.:wink:

 

[Oboy]

I think if Saban was totally sold on Feeley he would not have brought in Gus Frerotte...I think Saban will start Gus and go with him the whole way, and then if we still suck, he will try to draft a QB next year (Leinart or the guy named Omar???),,,,It would be nice to see Feeley play a full year under Saban's system, but I think Saban feels that Gus has the edge, a stronger arm, and more NFL experience, so I just see Feeley backing Gus up this year.

I TOTALLY disagree there. So you are saying that even if you have a pro bowl QB (NOT saying Feeley is, but hypothetical) you do not bring in a solid back up? You need as many good players as you can get. What if Feeley is the answer, and starts the year on fire, only to go down with an injury? Wouldn't you want a dependable back up? Hell ask the Bears how their season went once Grossman went down in like week 3.

 

[PhinBeck]

His QB rating and win loss records are the ultimate statement for how well or bad he played. So far he hasn't done enough to stay a starting NFL QB. He better get lots better or he wont be anywhere close to starting in the NFL.

Your stance that CK is ignorant in his view based on the argument you take makes you look uninformed. Most people don't think Feeley is anywhere close to HOFer Steve Young as a player. You gave CK a very abrasive response.

Qb rating yes to a degree, w-l is not an indicator. If that was true Jay would be an all-pro. Jay has the third best w-l record of any starter over his span starting. Cant have it both ways, cant say Jays wins are result from defense and then use w-l as an indicator of a qb competency level.

Basically it is subjective on fans part, you cannot criticize ones view without opening yourself up for the return shot. WHy? because stats are not facts, they are numbers, but not the story, they show the result, but not teh cause, they partion blame yet discrminately, indifferent to teh why.

I agree that ck's opinion is not ignorant, to say an opinion is ignorant is wrong. It is diff than what others view is. That is it period. Just like people who say he showed signs of greatness are not wrong, it is their perception and just because you dont agree, doesnt make your opinion superior. Same other way.

 

[gofins]

I TOTALLY disagree there. So you are saying that even if you have a pro bowl QB (NOT saying Feeley is, but hypothetical) you do not bring in a solid back up? You need as many good players as you can get. What if Feeley is the answer, and starts the year on fire, only to go down with an injury? Wouldn't you want a dependable back up? Hell ask the Bears how their season went once Grossman went down in like week 3.

Yes I totally agree with you. I think not drafting a QB speaks volumes.

 

[SCall13]

Yes I am harping an awful lot on that 15 minutes, because it was just that...15 minutes. And I was making comparisons to the way he played during that stretch to Dan while I was watching the game...during that short period of time. I even went back and replayed some of the passes he made during that quarter to analyze it. He did an awesome job...but it was what I said it was...15 minutes during an entire season.

Even with your quoting and highlighting you still failed to point out where I said anything about him being a great QB. Was he really good during that quarter? Yes...does that make him a great QB for his career? Of course not...that's just common friggin' sense.

And I was simply saying that 15 minutes doesn't make a QB great. AJ stunk up the field for the rest of that game and the rest of the season. I can't get past how he threw the game away to give him credit for anything. What he did in that one quarter was annihilated by what he did for the rest of the game.
By the way, I wasn't suggesting that you were calling AJ great. I was just pointing out that the 15 minutes he played well did nothing to prove that he can be good. He just had a streak of a whole quarter where everything went right. Then all of a sudden, he was AJ Feeley again.

 

[DOLFANMIKE]

I think Saban summed it all up by not drafting a QB.

He did make a statement on draft day. He basically said he likes our QB's better than anyone else available after Alex Smith was taken. Reports were though that he did want Smith.

As for WHO he has confidence in right now, I dont think one can assume its Gus or AJ.....it could be either or both.

 

[DOLFANMIKE]

Qb rating yes to a degree, w-l is not an indicator. .

Well, let me clarify that by saying losses directly related to his poor play. AJ couldnt win games by himself, and he also was at times the among our worst problems.
That doesnt mean AJ can be a star with an improved team around him. I hope he becomes the best player we've ever had. But I dont think its something to bank on that he'll be a star in the NFL. He just hasnt shown that yet.

 

[gofins]

AJ stunk up the field for the rest of that game and the rest of the season.

If you want to harp on how to interpet other's posts, you should not post such a fallacy as this. So after that 15 min in Buffalo, A.J. did not make one more good throw?:shakeno:

 

[FinzManiac]

If you want to harp on how to interpet other's posts, you should not post such a fallacy as this. So after that 15 min in Buffalo, A.J. did not make one more good throw?:shakeno:

He did do a pretty good job during that New England game...and he made the pass he had to make with the game on the line to win it as was mentioned earlier in this thread. I do agree that outside of those couple of instances he was at best below average...and had been under the teachings of Dave W. without a real offensive system, and with no offensive line. This will be Feeley's make or break year....like it or not

 

[Jethatr]

Qb rating yes to a degree, w-l is not an indicator. If that was true Jay would be an all-pro. Jay has the third best w-l record of any starter over his span starting. Cant have it both ways, cant say Jays wins are result from defense and then use w-l as an indicator of a qb competency level.

Basically it is subjective on fans part, you cannot criticize ones view without opening yourself up for the return shot. WHy? because stats are not facts, they are numbers, but not the story, they show the result, but not teh cause, they partion blame yet discrminately, indifferent to teh why.

I agree that ck's opinion is not ignorant, to say an opinion is ignorant is wrong. It is diff than what others view is. That is it period. Just like people who say he showed signs of greatness are not wrong, it is their perception and just because you dont agree, doesnt make your opinion superior. Same other way.

I was waiting for AJ's #1 fan to respond! :up:

 

[inFINSible]

I was waiting for AJ's #1 fan to respond! :up:

:mad:

 

[Bottle Nose]

I think we may all be overreacting to the dribles of info coming from Saban. With that in mind, I think at this point that Sage has a good shot of starting. What does that make AJ? #3?

 

[Dbergan]

Comparing AJ and Steve Young is fair. Anyone who watched Young w/ the Bucs knows he looked like dog **** the first year in the NFL. Not much better the second year. What an amazing change once Young was surrounded by talent and coaching......Sounds like AJ has a reasonable chance to me....cause we now have the coaching and the talent on the O-line should suffice to give more time...

Now, if only AJ can be 1/4 the QB Young became....THAT would be amazing to say the least.