Alabama's Derrick Henry

[LouPhinFan]

I'd take Henry if he's there in the second round.

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[Awsi Dooger]

They actually tout that committee, the ones who pick the four teams. Network analysts are allowed to visit briefly. They invariably report on how sophisticated it is, how impressive. Meanwhile, I'd like to bet the phrase pass defense doesn't show up all season in those meetings. Not once. Strength of schedule is an invention of idiots and applied by morons. It requires literally zero insight or ability. That's why it is a perfect vehicle for this young brainwashed generation. People who grew up in the horse racing generations experienced the dilemmas every day, the horse emerging from a Grade 1 race competing against horses who had raced in upper tier allowance races. Company kept or company vanquished is merely one criteria, and hardly the dominant one, as often as not. This young football generation doesn't look for hidden but devastating variables like pass defense because they have been taught that strength of schedule is all that really matters. So sad.

When you allow entry to a team that gives up 7.2 yards per pass attempt like Michigan State, you are asking for a result like this. As I posted last night, it was like a mini bye for Alabama. It made for an easy wager but otherwise it's a disgusting development for college football. That Ohio State/Michigan State outcome a month ago ruined the postseason, especially once the pathetic pass defense team drew Alabama for opponent. Last season Florida State was allowing more than 7 yards per attempt. They were assassinated by Oregon.

And the trend will continue as long as that committee is dense enough to look away. Anyone who votes for a terrible pass defense team as member of the final four should be charged with multiple felonies.

I realize this is a Derrick Henry thread. There didn't seem to be college discussion tonight in that forum. Henry is an intriguing player. He can look so ordinary, given the leggy frame. I spent most of the night believing I had overrated him in this thread. Then he gets rolling on the outside. Yeah, but the team is so dominant. Did Henry really do anything on that play? As I've emphasized, college levels can be so lopsided. Alabama is a natural boost. Anyone who bets a teaser in college football can't have 2 functioning brain cells, given the dispersion from expectation to result. We used to cup our hands over our mouths and try to restrain laughter at the Horseshoe whenever somebody rattled off a series of college teaser bets. Nice value buddy. Enjoy that extra 6 or 7 points in a sport that drags on forever and gets out of hand routinely.

Major kudos to the Associated Press for naming Christian McCaffrey as Player of the Year. Not particularly surprising. The AP was typically the more astute perspective compared to the UPI coaches verdict. Coaches seldom know what they are looking at from afar. In fact, that used to be a joke on the Las Vegas radio handicapping program that I was on for many years, that one guaranteed edge was for a former head coach to give his picks, and then go the other way. Jerry Tarkanian used to concede as much, that he couldn't pick anything. Several times I saw him walk into sportsbooks and have his eyes bug out when he saw the final score. Once he walked up to the counter at the old Sands and told them it had to be wrong, that no way the Utah basketball team could defeat Arizona on the road.

I miss those days.

 

[Birdmond]

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I'd take Henry if he's there in the second round.

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Absolutely. BPA and provides toughness to a team in desperate need.


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[Philbin's Polo]

So...Who still thinks that McCaffrey didn't deserve the Heisman?

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

The voters who vote for it. And this guy....

McCaffrey was a worthy candidate, they all were. However, the constant complaining by non-Bama fans that he was somehow robbed of the award is an insult to Derrick Henry and the season he had. Over 2,000 rushing yards and 25 touchdowns is hard to beat. Henry carried his team against the top teams on the schedule. If that doesn't deserve the award, then nothing deserves it. McCaffrey had a chance to win it. Unfortunately, he had bad games against the best teams on Stanford's schedule.

Iowa is making him look like the best player that's ever played. What has become apparent is that teams like Iowa and Michigan St. are woefully short on athleticism. This Iowa team may be the most undeserved top 5 team that I've ever seen. I think most people who know college football already knew that. Iowa was just fortunate this year because their schedule was so easy. They avoided Ohio St. and Michigan, and lost to Michigan St. in the title game. This was a mini-bye for Stanford.

 

[Philbin's Polo]

Proof positive that Heisman voters, like everyone else, aren't infallible.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

They actually tout that committee, the ones who pick the four teams. Network analysts are allowed to visit briefly. They invariably report on how sophisticated it is, how impressive. Meanwhile, I'd like to bet the phrase pass defense doesn't show up all season in those meetings. Not once. Strength of schedule is an invention of idiots and applied by morons. It requires literally zero insight or ability. That's why it is a perfect vehicle for this young brainwashed generation. People who grew up in the horse racing generations experienced the dilemmas every day, the horse emerging from a Grade 1 race competing against horses who had raced in upper tier allowance races. Company kept or company vanquished is merely one criteria, and hardly the dominant one, as often as not. This young football generation doesn't look for hidden but devastating variables like pass defense because they have been taught that strength of schedule is all that really matters. So sad.

When you allow entry to a team that gives up 7.2 yards per pass attempt like Michigan State, you are asking for a result like this. As I posted last night, it was like a mini bye for Alabama. It made for an easy wager but otherwise it's a disgusting development for college football. That Ohio State/Michigan State outcome a month ago ruined the postseason, especially once the pathetic pass defense team drew Alabama for opponent. Last season Florida State was allowing more than 7 yards per attempt. They were assassinated by Oregon.

And the trend will continue as long as that committee is dense enough to look away. Anyone who votes for a terrible pass defense team as member of the final four should be charged with multiple felonies.

I realize this is a Derrick Henry thread. There didn't seem to be college discussion tonight in that forum. Henry is an intriguing player. He can look so ordinary, given the leggy frame. I spent most of the night believing I had overrated him in this thread. Then he gets rolling on the outside. Yeah, but the team is so dominant. Did Henry really do anything on that play? As I've emphasized, college levels can be so lopsided. Alabama is a natural boost. Anyone who bets a teaser in college football can't have 2 functioning brain cells, given the dispersion from expectation to result. We used to cup our hands over our mouths and try to restrain laughter at the Horseshoe whenever somebody rattled off a series of college teaser bets. Nice value buddy. Enjoy that extra 6 or 7 points in a sport that drags on forever and gets out of hand routinely.

Major kudos to the Associated Press for naming Christian McCaffrey as Player of the Year. Not particularly surprising. The AP was typically the more astute perspective compared to the UPI coaches verdict. Coaches seldom know what they are looking at from afar. In fact, that used to be a joke on the Las Vegas radio handicapping program that I was on for many years, that one guaranteed edge was for a former head coach to give his picks, and then go the other way. Jerry Tarkanian used to concede as much, that he couldn't pick anything. Several times I saw him walk into sportsbooks and have his eyes bug out when he saw the final score. Once he walked up to the counter at the old Sands and told them it had to be wrong, that no way the Utah basketball team could defeat Arizona on the road.

I miss those days.

Actually, the AP is typically the most biased. The AP has behaved for a while, but this reminds me of the controversy with Oklahoma/LSU/USC.

LSU played an extra game that USC didn't play, and they beat Oklahoma. So what did some AP voters do? After LSU beat Oklahoma, some of the voters either took their vote from Oklahoma and gave it to USC, or took their vote from LSU and gave it to USC. That's right. LSU beat Oklahoma in the championship game, and lost votes.

It was one of those moments in which their bias was on full display, nothing more than west coast bias/protest vote. They did it again here in regard to McCaffrey. But of course, people like you love protest votes. Particularly when it has a little west coast flavor to it.




However, the one thing I'll agree with you on here is that the Ohio St./Michigan St. outcome ruined the postseason for the Big-Ten. Ohio St. is and was, clearly the best team in the Big-Ten. Despite losing by a field goal to Michigan St.

Just like Alabama was the better team than LSU in 2011, despite losing to them by a field goal. The game you like to keep referencing. Anybody that watched that game could see that Alabama was the better team. It took extraordinary circumstances on the part of Alabama to beat themselves. LSU didn't beat 'em. They proved it shortly afterwards in the national title game. LSU couldn't even cross midfield against Alabama until the game was already over.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Proof positive that Heisman voters, like everyone else, aren't infallible.

Henry has the trophy because he deserved it. It is what it is. You may not like it, but it is.

I didn't think Reggie Bush deserved the trophy when he won it. That was Vince Young's Heisman Trophy. Charles Woodson has Peyton Manning's Heisman Trophy. We could go on and on. There's always more than one guy that deserves it, but only one can win it.

I'm sure Awsi would've loved it had Toby Gerhart won Mark Ingram's Heisman Trophy. Since he obviously thinks it's supposed to be some sort of projection as to how good of an NFL player you are if you win it. Even though it has absolutely nothing to do with that, since Gerhart has been such a great player in the NFL, and so much better than Ingram. Not. Considering I don't even watch much watered down NFL, I honestly don't even know if Gerhart is still in the NFL. I know Ingram is.

I know Matt Leinart isn't.

 

[Philbin's Polo]

While multiple guys could have great seasons, it's the award for the best player in the country so only one guy deserves it, in any year.

Henry is an excellent player, however I saw McCaffrey as the clear cut best player in the nation. He got the short end of the stick because he doesn't play in the SEC and because most of the country is in bed for the second half of his games. Again Henry is an excellent player, but if Heisman voters could have their votes back and vote again there would be an investigation if McCaffrey didn't win in a landslide.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

While multiple guys could have great seasons, it's the award for the best player in the country so only one guy deserves it, in any year.

Henry is an excellent player, however I saw McCaffrey as the clear cut best player in the nation. He got the short end of the stick because he doesn't play in the SEC and because most of the country is in bed for the second half of his games. Again Henry is an excellent player, but if Heisman voters could have their votes back and vote again there would be an investigation if McCaffrey didn't win in a landslide.

No there wouldn't. Again, McCaffrey had a chance to win it. He came up empty in the big games, while Henry dominated all the big games. McCaffrey is a running back that didn't even score the most rushing TD's on his own team. The investigation was already done by the voters. Derrick Henry won it in a landslide.

McCaffrey is a great player, but his season just didn't warrant winning the award when compared to Henry's. We can certainly debate it from now on, but it won't change.

Since Awsi pointed out that this is a Derrick Henry thread, perhaps him or one of you can create a Christian McCaffrey thread where you can all talk about how much he deserved it. This thread has the hardware.

 

[Philbin's Polo]

That argument sucks. McCaffrey set a yards from scrimmage record in the Pac-12 CCG and another one tonight in the Rose Bowl. Henry ran for 75 on under 4YPC in his Bowl game.

I'd disagree with you regardless of what argument you made, but that one carries less logic than most others could.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

That argument sucks. McCaffrey set a yards from scrimmage record in the Pac-12 CCG and another one tonight in the Rose Bowl. Henry ran for 75 on under 4YPC in his Bowl game.

I'd disagree with you regardless of what argument you made, but that one carries less logic than most others could.

Which do you think is more important, and which would you rather have, yards or points? Disregarding the bowl game last night where Henry scored 2 more TD's, he rushed for 23 TD's (which tied an SEC record) and rushed for 1,986 yards, which set another SEC record. He did it against much, much better defenses than McCaffrey faced. Go ahead and investigate it.

Furthermore, Henry wasn't part of the game plan last night. Michigan St. keyed on Henry and sold out to stop him, which opened up the passing game for huge plays down the field. That's the impact Derrick Henry has when he doesn't even touch the ball.

I'm still waiting for you to make a case for McCaffrey that is deserving of a Heisman Trophy. So far it's been shot full of holes.

 

[Philbin's Polo]

So they should just give the Heisman to the player responsible for the most TDs, Henry wasn't part of a game plan in which he ran the ball 20 times, and 2000+rushing yards and an all-time all purpose yardage record don't merit Heisman consideration???

Roll tide pal.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

So they should just give the Heisman to the player responsible for the most TDs, Henry wasn't part of a game plan in which he ran the ball 20 times, and 2000+rushing yards and an all-time all purpose yardage record don't merit Heisman consideration???

Roll tide pal.

It's not just giving to the player responsible for the most TD's, there's a considerable amount of variables that are considered. Such as the competition you score them against, and how you perform in the biggest games against the best teams on your schedule. Derrick Henry wins out in a landslide when you consider all those factors. But at least have the most rushing TD's on your own team if you're going to win a Heisman Trophy. I don't think voters are asking too much there.

Henry wasn't part of the game plan last night against Michigan St. in terms of getting him carries and yards. Otherwise he would've carried it 40 times like he had been. His part in the game plan was opening up the passing game by being on the field.

All you've managed to point out is how versatile of a player McCaffrey is. Which he won an award for that specific reason. Of course his season was worthy of Heisman consideration, that's why he was invited to New York and finished runner-up in the voting.

 

[Philbin's Polo]

Agree to disagree on this one I guess, Slimm.