unifiedtheory said:
Tom Brady: He's the best player in the game right now. That being said, I'd take Marino, Fouts, Young, Unitas and Aikman over Brady in a heartbeat.
Aikman??? That's even worse than Marino. I think Aikman threw 20 TD's ONCE in his entire career. Aikman is without a doubt the most OVERRATED QB OF ALL TIME. Even Marino looks great standing next to him.
unifiedtheory said:
"As for Brady being better than Marino......ABSOLUTELY!!!! It's NO contest." is the most rediculous thing I have read since your last post. Marino is 2nd All time in victories and 4th quarter comebacks. To say he was not clutch is simply absurd.
As for the "he choked in big game/never won the Super Bowl" arguement that is crap as well. Winning championships is a TEAM ACCOMPOLISHMENT.
What do these numbers mean to you???
29 of 50 for 318 yds, 1 TD, 2 Int's..........67 Rating..........LOSS (SF 38-16)
20 of 48 for 248 yds, 2 TD, 2 Int's..........55 Rating..........LOSS (NE 31-14)
23 of 49 for 323 yds, 3 TD, 2 Int's..........72 Rating..........LOSS (Buf 44-34)
22 of 45 for 268 yds, 1 TD, 2 Int's..........57 Rating..........LOSS (Buf 29-10)
17 of 43 for 141 yds, 0 TD, 2 Int's..........29 Rating..........LOSS (NE 17-3)
26 of 37 for 243 yds, 0 TD, 2 Int's.........65 Rating..........LOSS (Den 38-3)
11 of 25 for 95 yds, 1 TD, 2 Int's..........35 Rating...............LOSS (Jac 62-7)
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TOTALS:
148 of 297 (48.9%) for 1636, 8 TD, 14 Int's..........56 QB Rating
Those are his numbers in seven of the most important games of his career. Each one a loss in the playoffs. Perhaps if he'd have played better his team would have, at the very least, been more competitive. But with shoddy QB play like that, they hardly stood a chance.
unifiedtheory said:
Ask Trent Dilfer or Mark Rypien.
That argument has NEVER held any weight. Why do all the Marino appologists always cling to it??? Nobody is arguing on behalf of the Dilfer's of the world. Dilfer was a role player. Nothing more. We all know that.
My criticism of Dan isn't that he never won a Super Bowl or failed to win the big game. My criticism is that he played MISERABLY in all of those big games.
Look at Jake Delhomme. He didn't lead the Panthers to a win in the Super Bowl but he certainly rose to the occassion and played the game of his life. That's what big game QB's do. That's what Marino spent his career FAILING to do.
unifiedtheory said:
Dan was'nt out there doing his matador impersonation when teams where running it down our throats...that was the defense and the last time I checked Dan did'nt play defense.
According to the stats above, he didn't play much offense either.
unifiedtheory said:
Throw Tom Brady on a team with no running game and no defense and I bet Golden Boy's winning ways come to an abrupt end.
You mean like in 2001 when the Patriots defense was ranked 24th out of 31 teams. Or in 2003 when their leading rusher barely had 600 yards. Brady sure struggled in those years. What was his record again??? 31-5....
unifiedtheory said:
Ben Coates: LOL!!!!!!!!!! He is'nt even a top 10 all-timer. Dave Casper, Mike Ditka, Ozzie Newsom, Kellen Winslow. They all rank higher.
Big Ben was AMAZING in his prime and unlike some of the other names on that list, he could catch and block. The guy had the BIGGEST and softest hands I've ever seen. I stand by my selection of putting him 3rd. In truth, at his best he may have been the best ever. Still, the Hall of Fame is based on longevity as much as anything else, so he'll probably never get in. He only played for, I don't know, 8 years???
unifiedtheory said:
Bruce Armstrong: He was'nt even the best in the league when he played yet he's the best left tackle ever? Pace, Ogden and Walter Jones are all better then him. That puts him 4th without even looking at the Hall of Famers. Putting Armstrong as the best left tackle ever is the ULTIMATE in homerism and proved that you have ZERO objectivity.
This might have been a homer pick, although I think you're dismissing it too quickly. Frankly, I was having trouble remembering great LT's. I'm not a big Ogden fan. Freeney abused him and made him look silly last year. Pace and Jones are legitimate options though. The thing about Armstrong is that he played in an era against some of the games greatest pass rushers and he always did extremely well against them. Bruce Smith, Reggie White, LT, Derrick Thomas, the list goes on and on.
unifiedtheory said:
John Hannah: I'll give you that one.
Richard Seymour: Almost as laughable as Armstrong. Dan Hampton, Bob Lilly, Merlin Olsen, Alan Page, Randy White...they are All timers. Seymour is'nt even the best in the league right NOW, let alone an all timer.
Seymour IS the best in the league right now but I agree, it is premature to put him on the Best Ever List. See, I can be reasonable. He sure does have an amazing resume. Four years in the league and he's already a 3 time All-Pro and 3 time Super Bowl Champion.
unifiedtheory said:
Andre Tippet: He was a good player. Again, he was'nt even the best when he played. Ham, Hendricks, Lanier...
Tippet was widely considered the best LB of his day not named LT. He was a force against the run and the pass and his 35.5 sacks over a two year period might even be a record.
unifiedtheory said:
Ty Law: AGAIN...not the best playing right now yet he is an all timer?
Rodney Harrison: :roflmao:
I stand by Law 100 percent and he most certainly IS the best CB in the game right now, when healthy, anyway. Who's better? Champ Bailey? Please....Bailey has always been more hype than substance.
unifiedtheory said:
The moral of this post is don't be a hypocrite. Don't accuse us Dolphin fans of being homers when you post perhaps the most homerish reply in the history of message boards.
You guys are just a bunch of unobjective homers. The Patriots are the greatest team ever and will eventually prove that as they win more championships than any team ever has.
Peace,
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