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Are you f&*^*& kidding me!!!!!

The winning touchdown in the Pro Bowl last week was scored on the same type of low percentage call. That's what struck me immediately. I haven't sampled any of these threads tonight to see if that has been mentioned. I certainly didn't see it on any of the post game shows:

Team Irvin trailed very late in the 4th quarter and faced 4th and goal at the 1 yard line. Michael Irvin was miked on the sideline and was emphatically calling for a running play, "behind my three horses (Cowboys offensive linemen)."

I was sure that would be the call. The announcers agreed. Then somehow Matt Ryan took charge of the situation during the time out and insisted on doing it his way. The solution? A quick slant pass right on a pick play barely inside the goal line.

It happened to work. I was shaking my head and thinking...big deal. That's the epitome of low percentage football. If Matt Ryan believes that's the correct application of situational football, it's even more reason to doubt his ceiling. Running plays succeed better than pass plays in goal line and short yardage situations. The percentages aren't particularly close. Everything I've tried to emphasize on this site and elsewhere is the importance of doing the right thing, aligning the majority in your favor. I don't really care if some posters don't like it. I scoff at the Bar Stool wave of thought because so much of it is low percentage, like high decibel overreaction to the most recent thing on the menu, particularly if the overreaction corresponds with the attached bias. That combo leads to comical pronouncements. Sad, really. My YPPA Differential system struggled to 4-4 in the playoffs this season, losing a tough beat on Seattle. Since it's based on sound principals there's no reason to second guess or adjust anything.

Anyway, a week after that obscure Pro Bowl I never thought I'd see the Seattle Seahawks make the same type of low percentage choice, albeit on second down. Tony Dungy provided the best summary, that a pass play inside brings into play so many negative variables, like a tipped ball or holding call. If you're going to do something like that at least allow Russell Wilson to use his many strengths, the phenomenal ability to slip defenders and buy time. Heck, Marshawn Lynch was breaking into the clear on the left side.

Just a sickening loss. I really didn't care about the bet. I felt great allegiance to these Seahawks, given their smartly constructed home field advantage and Pete Carroll's bold move to the pros, risking his reputation suffering if he flopped. In many ways this game reminded me of the Canes' demoralizing loss to Ohio State while going for two straight titles, or the same with USC against Texas a few years later. Both of those teams led late -- Miami by 7 in overtime and USC by 12 with 5 minutes left -- similar to Seattle tonight. Miami 2002 with barely half as many forced turnovers was not as good as the awesome 2001 Canes of a year earlier, and likewise USC 2005 had a hopeless defense compared to the terrific 2004 version. These Seahawks with the modest +1.1 YPPA Differential were so vulnerable compared to last year's great team, the one with the astounding +4.7 net differential and +2.4 raw YPPA Differential. No way last year's team blows a 10 point 4th quarter lead but this year's version was just fragile enough. They couldn't afford the two additional injuries suffered tonight. Simon looked so pathetic against Carolina three weeks ago. Once Lane was out after the injury on the interception return it gave Brady a convenient target to pick on.

The Kearse drop on 3rd and 3 late third quarter was massive, massive, massive. The folks I watched the game with wanted me to shut up about that. I kept harping on it, even as Seattle maintained the 10 point edge. But I knew 10 was reachable, given Seattle's current level. I had already likened this Seahawks team to the Canes and Trojans of many years earlier. Pump that edge to 13 or 17 and suddenly the math destroys New England. Kearse is not a reliable player. That ball was as perfect as anyone could expect in that situation. Seattle owned all the energy and confidence. I'm almost glad I have distractions like dental surgery this week to partially take my mind off it. I'll remember the Kearse play as much or more than 2nd and goal. Flawed teams have to be ruthlessly greedy when everything is temporarily slanting in their favor.

Pro rivalries are mostly schlock. I don't particularly care that the Patriots won again. I would have forever despised them for 19-0. Blowing that game, particularly the way they did, allows Dolphin fans to hold an ongoing joyous trump card. Lots of teams will win 4 titles, then 6, and whatever. As long as unblemished is unmatched, let's not lose sight of how special it is, or how much jealousy it sparks.

BTW, there was one call nearly as inept as throwing on second and goal. Does Dan Patrick actually believe Gronkowski was already on those Patriot teams in any of the 2001, 2003, or 2004 seasons? He was asking him if he had forgotten what this felt like.
 
The playcall didn't demand that Wilson throw that INT. Wilson = OVER RATED
I don't know how he's rated by people but it wasn't a great throw. That said, it wasn't a horrible throw either and he is either a good player or a player in a system that suits him. I can't quite figure it out to be honest.
 
he will never live this down

He will never live what down? Being one yard away from winning a second consecutive Super Bowl and his quarterback threw an interception at the one yard line? Dude.

I'll be the first person to say that I think that was a lousy play-call, given the situation and his personnel, but really? If Ryan Tannehill threw that same pick in a similar spot, we'd blame him for being picked. I get that there is a difference between having Daniel Thomas as your power back and having Marshawn Lynch as your power back, and thus everyone on earth thinks they should have run the football, but the fact remains that the receiver was open and the quarterback threw an interception.

Pete Carroll's legacy is that he's been a great coach in Seattle. One single play call where his QB made an error that just about everyone agrees was uncharacteristic doesn't somehow overshadow his entire career. When the Hawks are back in the NFCCG or Super Bowl next season, some people will bring it up, but it's not gonna be the last word on the man's body of work as a coach.
 
He will never live what down? Being one yard away from winning a second consecutive Super Bowl and his quarterback threw an interception at the one yard line? Dude.

I'll be the first person to say that I think that was a lousy play-call, given the situation and his personnel, but really? If Ryan Tannehill threw that same pick in a similar spot, we'd blame him for being picked. I get that there is a difference between having Daniel Thomas as your power back and having Marshawn Lynch as your power back, and thus everyone on earth thinks they should have run the football, but the fact remains that the receiver was open and the quarterback threw an interception.

Pete Carroll's legacy is that he's been a great coach in Seattle. One single play call where his QB made an error that just about everyone agrees was uncharacteristic doesn't somehow overshadow his entire career. When the Hawks are back in the NFCCG or Super Bowl next season, some people will bring it up, but it's not gonna be the last word on the man's body of work as a coach.
He needs to pull the choke sign on himself today, cuz that's what he did. Marshawn Lynch should be the MVP, and not the cheater.
 
I'll be the first person to say that I think that was a lousy play-call, given the situation and his personnel, but really? If Ryan Tannehill threw that same pick in a similar spot, we'd blame him for being picked. I get that there is a difference between having Daniel Thomas as your power back and having Marshawn Lynch as your power back, and thus everyone on earth thinks they should have run the football, but the fact remains that the receiver was open and the quarterback threw an interception.

He already did throw a pick in a similar situation, down 4 against Denver. As with Wilson I blame him for the loss but I didn't kill him for it. On the other hand what I recall is most of his biggest fans absolved him of that interception and put 100% of the loss on the defense. The leads blown were similar too, we had an 11 point lead going in to the 4th quarter and the Seahawks had a 10 point lead.
 
He already did throw a pick in a similar situation, down 4 against Denver. As with Wilson I blame him for the loss but I didn't kill him for it. On the other hand what I recall is most of his biggest fans absolved him of that interception and put 100% of the loss on the defense. The leads blown were similar too, we had an 11 point lead going in to the 4th quarter and the Seahawks had a 10 point lead.

Yeah maybe some people will shut up about the defense losing the Bronco game now. Almost the exact same situation. When you take your foot off the peddle on offense the other team will come back. Even if you have one of the greatest defenses in the NFL you can't stop a great offense.

Terrible play call. That is now 2 years out of 3 that NFC West Coaches (Harbaugh and Carroll) have had the game in their hand with 6 yards to go and 4 chances. Both coaches ran the first time and then moved away from their strength (running the ball) on the most important plays of the game. Both paid the price.
 
DeFINately should have been a read option call, they had not used it all day, running is a more effective way to use time, and NE just you try to stop Lynch AND Wilson from running outside at the 1-yard line, with your goal-line front. Good Luck!.

I too was shocked that NE didn't stop the clock.

I'm not nearly as suspicious of the NFL tampering with this game as I am of them interfering with SB XL Seattle vs Pittsburgh. That game left a permanent scar on the NFL shield and they know it. We weren't that stupid then and we aren't that stupid now. Even before that game I heard Randy Cross, on Sirius NFL Radio, point out that the league would make so much more money selling Steelers (BARF) jerseys and garb than they ever would have made selling Seahawks stuff and viola flag after flag on Seattle, Stealers "win", Cha-Ching!, "Storybook ending for Bettis in his hometown, & HOF ticket" (BARFF). Guess I'll never get over that game. But the NFL did not convince Carroll to throw this game.

The bad call was on Carroll, Bevell, and perhaps Wilson; the bad play was on Wilson and Lockette (for getting tossed aside like a ragdoll and not swatting the ball away), and the DB made a GREAT play. I wonder if Wilson could have audibled out of that pass play or if he thought about it.

Russell Wilson is so poised; I can't wait to see him grow from this adversity. He will win more Superbowls and continue to have class.

Sucks though.

RW
 
Brutal loss. Amazing game by both teams. One of the best SB's of all time, but it's sad when the better team loses on a play like that. That HAS to by Lynch three times. I think Pete Carroll is as good as any coach in the NFL, but that's hard to swallow.
 
Pete Carroll doesnt call offensive plays. I dont think he calls defensive plays either.

That was Darrell Bevill. Who previously wanted to become a Head coach. You know, before he decided to make the worst play call in the history of the league.

I don't want Bevill anywhere near our team. I don't even think Philbin would make that call... Wow.. I am still shocked.
 
Will that be Pete Carroll's lifetime legacy...probably not. It will be his legacy for the next 11+ months -that is for sure. I may be wrong, but i think he and his team will have a tough time recovering from this one.

I do think Russell Wilson is a superb QB. Looking at some photos of that play developing, it was a great read as that WR is breaking open....it was just a great play by the DB.
 
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