Best player in the AFC East?

[alen1]

if you base it on just pure talent i think its JT but if your talking about overrall and what the player has done for his team its by far tom brady and thats why i pick tom brady.... i love the phins n i hate the patriots but its a no brainer that its tom.

 

[Mannyjr23]

Tom Brady :tantrum: Anyway GO FINS!!!!

 

[Mike13]

i remember thinking the same thing about marvin jones, and mo lewis. Only difference is you have Taylor, Thomas, and Porter that are all old....not just the two like we had.

Taylor will still be good, but his numbers will drop, thomas is a bum, and so is porter. Enjoy watching them on the sidelines by week 6 (if your coach is smart).

Amazing that those old geezers are showing no signs of slippage.

The best player in the divison is Tom Brady.
The most athletic would go to Randy Moss or JT.
The Best defensive plyer in the divison is JT.

You really need multiple polls for this sort of thing.

 

[Deep2Evans]

I had Taylor before I remembered Tom Brady was still alive. Anyone who doesn't pick Brady is just a homer.

Couldnt agree more.

 

[nyjunc]

You can only make that statement in hindsight. You do realize that NE does not have a crystal ball right? If it was a forgone conclusion, why didn't NE rest its starters? You actually want to claim that NE left Tom Brady in a game they weren't trying to win to get slapped around by Jason Taylor? Not only was Brady in the game, but they were THROWING the ball with a lead and two minutes to go in the game. Dillon had 121 yards rushing in the game. If NE didn't care about the game, why did Brady drop back to pass on 4 of the last 5 plays? He got thrown around like a rag doll.

You damage your own credibility with such irrational points.

realistically they didn't have a chance. Pitt already played on Sunday and needed to beat Bal at home and Buf on the road. those weren't difficult games, it would have been a huge upset if they lost either one. NE thought they had the game and they fell asleep late, they did not go into that game w/ the same sense of urgency they did in the playoffs.

I never said they weren't TRYING to win, whenever you step on the field you TRY to win but they weren't as focused as they would be after that game.

You damage your credibility by not having common sense. Everything is blakc and white to you but humans play the game and they aren't always focused every single game especially when it was a meaningless game in the standings.

Exactly there where THREE games left to play with NE chasing Pitt down by 1 game...Of course teams give up three games out when trying for homefield throughout...its so obvious they didnt tank that game.. NE was more than alive for that homefield until AFTER the game...but alas its pointless to debate with junc.

There were TWO left to play for Pitt as the Miami-NE was a MN game. Pitt had to beat 2 mediocore teams, NE knew they werne't catching Pitt and they didn't care b/c they knew they could beat them in Pitt and they did.

 

[Mater Dei]

1. Tom Brady
1a. Jason Taylor
2. Coles

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

realistically they didn't have a chance. Pitt already played on Sunday and needed to beat Bal at home and Buf on the road. those weren't difficult games, it would have been a huge upset if they lost either one. NE thought they had the game and they fell asleep late, they did not go into that game w/ the same sense of urgency they did in the playoffs.

I never said they weren't TRYING to win, whenever you step on the field you TRY to win but they weren't as focused as they would be after that game.

You damage your credibility by not having common sense. Everything is blakc and white to you but humans play the game and they aren't always focused every single game especially when it was a meaningless game in the standings.



There were TWO left to play for Pitt as the Miami-NE was a MN game. Pitt had to beat 2 mediocore teams, NE knew they werne't catching Pitt and they didn't care b/c they knew they could beat them in Pitt and they did.

You didn't answer the basic question - Why did they leave Brady in such a vulnerable situtation at the end of the game if they weren't really trying to win it? They were scrambling to win that game at the end. You are not making any sense.

This is the drive following the Miami score that made it 28-23:

1-10-NE20 (2:03) T.Brady pass incomplete to D.Branch (D.Bowens).
2-10-NE20 (1:58) C.Dillon up the middle to NE 21 for 1 yard (M.Greenwood).
3-9-NE21 (1:52) T.Brady pass intended for D.Graham INTERCEPTED by B.Ayanbadejo (J.Taylor) at NE 23. B.Ayanbadejo to NE 21 for 2 yards (D.Graham).

Why not run the ball and eat time off of the clock? Why put your QB in that position? Why was Brady even in the game? The season was decided wasn't it? Apparently Belichick and Brady didn't agree with you.

After the Fins scored to go ahead, did the Pats just concede the game? Of course not. They attacked again:

1-10-NE24 (1:17) (Shotgun) T.Brady sacked at NE 15 for -9 yards (D.Bowens).
2-19-NE15 (1:09) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass intended for D.Givens INTERCEPTED by A.Freeman at NE 37. A.Freeman to NE 23 for 14 yards (S.Neal).

Give it a rest. You have refused to provide any actual evidence that the Pats were not taking the game seriously (quotes from players or coaches, holding starters out of the game, conservative playing calling). You have nothing except a burning desire to rationalize each Dolphin's victory over the Pats.

 

[nyjunc]

You didn't answer the basic question - Why did they leave Brady in such a vulnerable situtation at the end of the game if they weren't really trying to win it? They were scrambling to win that game at the end. You are not making any sense.

Of course they wanted to win but they allowed Miami back in it then blew it. The bottom line is they didn't need the game and I am 100% sure overlloked Miami. We felt it the next week when Ne came to town and they were upset and beat us up.

Why not run the ball and eat time off of the clock? Why put your QB in that position? Why was Brady even in the game? The season was decided wasn't it? Apparently Belichick and Brady didn't agree with you.

a 1st down officially ends it, they were trying to end the game. Some tams try 3 runs, NE likes to pass alot in that situation. it didn't work out and it had no effct on the standings.

Give it a rest. You have refused to provide any actual evidence that the Pats were not taking the game seriously (quotes from players or coaches, holding starters out of the game, conservative playing calling). You have nothing except a burning desire to rationalize each Dolphin's victory over the Pats.

it's called commone sense, you don't see it b/c Miami has been so bad that every win overa team like NE is special but the facts are whenever the games are big NE wins. There has not been one big game the teams have played in the Brady era that NE has not won. You can rationalize it all you want but you know it, i know it and anyone who watches football as closely as we do knows it.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

it's called commone sense, you don't see it b/c Miami has been so bad that every win overa team like NE is special but the facts are whenever the games are big NE wins. There has not been one big game the teams have played in the Brady era that NE has not won. You can rationalize it all you want but you know it, i know it and anyone who watches football as closely as we do knows it.

No, it's called BS and you keep making it up.

NE has been the better team. Of course they have their share of wins against the Fins. The #1 trend in the series in recent years is HOME FIELD. You simply refuse to acknowledge that simple fact.

For an important game, you only need to look back to last season. If the Pats beat the Fins in week 14, they get to play the Colts at home in the conference championship instead of going on the road to Indy. Indy had not been able to beat the Pats in NE in the playoffs. That game may have decided the Pats season. Nothing else needed to change. No complicated scenarios. Just the Pats beating the Fins. (BTW, where was the game played in week 14? MIAMI. Notice the trend?)

Just give it a rest.

 

[nyjunc]

No, it's called BS and you keep making it up.

NE has been the better team. Of course they have their share of wins against the Fins. The #1 trend in the series in recent years is HOME FIELD. You simply refuse to acknowledge that simple fact.

For an important game, you only need to look back to last season. If the Pats beat the Fins in week 14, they get to play the Colts at home in the conference championship instead of going on the road to Indy. Indy had not been able to beat the Pats in NE in the playoffs. That game may have decided the Pats season. Nothing else needed to change. No complicated scenarios. Just the Pats beating the Fins. (BTW, where was the game played in week 14? MIAMI. Notice the trend?)

Just give it a rest.

I am pretty sure Indy, knowing it needed 1 win to be the 3 seed, would have beaten Houston and stil finished ahead of NE.

The facts are that when the games really mean something NE wins and when there is little to nothing on the line Miami wins. I still give credit to Miami b/c even when games have been meaningless NE has beaten us but the facts are Miami hasn't beaten NE in a meaningful game since week 17 of 2000 when NE was finishing a 5-11 season.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I am pretty sure Indy, knowing it needed 1 win to be the 3 seed, would have beaten Houston and stil finished ahead of NE.

:sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol:

So predictable. Now Indy is involved in this grand conspiracy to give victories over the Pats to the Fins. Clearly, Indy had given up on catching the Ravens for the #2 seed. They were obviously not concerned about the ability of the offense to do well in Baltimore in January.

The facts are that when the games really mean something NE wins and when there is little to nothing on the line Miami wins. I still give credit to Miami b/c even when games have been meaningless NE has beaten us but the facts are Miami hasn't beaten NE in a meaningful game since week 17 of 2000 when NE was finishing a 5-11 season.

How many times does this need to be said?

In 2001, the Fins beat the Pats in week 4. How is a division game in week 4 meaningless?

In 2002, the Fins beat the Pats in week 5. How is a division game in week 5 meaningless?

HOW THE F*** ARE DIVISION GAMES MEANINGLESS???????

You have been shown early season games that the Fins have won and late season games that still meant something to the Pats that the Fins have won. Keep living your fantasy.

 

[nyjunc]

So predictable. Now Indy is involved in this grand conspiracy to give victories over the Pats to the Fins. Clearly, Indy had given up on catching the Ravens for the #2 seed. They were obviously not concerned about the ability of the offense to do well in Baltimore in January.

if Indy win that game they are still the #2 seed.

HOW THE F*** ARE DIVISION GAMES MEANINGLESS???????

meaningless is the wrong word for '01 and '02 but when the stakes were at their highest and the game mattered most NE won in both Dec '01 and Dec '02 and in BOTH cases kept Miami from winning the division.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

meaningless is the wrong word for '01 and '02 but when the stakes were at their highest and the game mattered most NE won in both Dec '01 and Dec '02 and in BOTH cases kept Miami from winning the division.

Three final points (and I'm seriously done trying to convince you of the painfully obvious):

1. Both games count the same. EXACTLY the same.
2. In 01 and 02 the home team won all 4 games.
3. In 06, the league scheduled one of the rare cases where they play in NE first then Miami. The result? Miami won the late season game. Convincingly.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

if Indy win that game they are still the #2 seed.

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Here are the tie breaker rules:

Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4. Strength of victory.
5. Strength of schedule.
6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best net points in conference games.
9. Best net points in all games.
10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
11. Coin toss.

1. Not applicable
2. Both 9-2
3. Both teams played Den, Tenn, Cincy, & Buf. Indy was 4-1, Balt was 3-2.

Indy would have finished 13-3 with a better record against common opponents.

If you are going to make things up, at least check your facts.

 

[nyjunc]

Three final points (and I'm seriously done trying to convince you of the painfully obvious):

1. Both games count the same. EXACTLY the same.
2. In 01 and 02 the home team won all 4 games.
3. In 06, the league scheduled one of the rare cases where they play in NE first then Miami. The result? Miami won the late season game. Convincingly.

So you don't think games are bigger in December than they are in September or october? That explains alot.

the 2nd game was MEANINGLESS for NE, that was why you won. if it means something NE always wins.