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Egnew Vs Gesicki

That is because you're watching highlights. Highlights are exactly that. Their best plays. He is a big running back. Of course he is going to have some highlights of him running with power. I also base it on him not working which has been the rumblings forever out of ASU. Big reason he was supplanted as the starter. Didnt work and didnt hit the holes. He didn't want it bad enough at ASU. Egnew could care less about being great at football.
Are these highlights?

People are making him out to be the Ted Ginn of RBs. I mean you'd think this kid slides before contact every play. Obviously a 4th round RB is not going to come in polished up, it's our coaches job to sand the rough edges.
 
I will put the 3 of them and their results to paint the picture

Egnew Gesicki Graham

4.62 4.54 4.56 40 yard dash

36 41.5 38.5 vertical (in inches)

131 129 120 broad jump (in inches)

7.03 6.76 6.9 3 cone drill

4.32 4.1 4.45 20 yard shuttle

12.07 11.33 11.76 60 yard shuttle

21 22 torn pec bench (reps)

Gesicki has every category except Broad jump which Egnew destroyed

Some analyst where busting on Gesicki for being a long strider. However, it doesn't look like that hindered his 3 cone or shuttle times. Of course, Egnew and Graham could be long striders too, so comparing against them doesn't change the criticism if there is one.
 
I seem to remember the big knock on Egnew was his blocking. I remember Dan Campbell being critical of that in an interview or on hard knocks.
Gesicki isn't going to be asked to block- that why the Notre Dame TE was drafted.
As a long time PSU fan, I about jumped off of my seat when Gesicki got picked. He is absolutely clutch- PSU had some tight games this year and he came through time after time with game-saving catches. I loved Saquan, but Gesicki kept that team in the hunt and was a reliable go-to guy. For fans who haven't seen him, if he is in the Pros like he was at Penn State, he is going to be a fan fave- guaranteed.
 
Because of Michael Egnew, apparently we are supposed to be gun shy about things that are supposed to be unqualified positives (e.g. elite athleticism) about our draft prospects.

The myth is that Michael Egnew flunked out of Miami and the NFL because of his blocking. That's not the case at all. He was ultra bad at blocking when he showed up, totally inexperienced with it. By his final days in Miami he had turned that around completely, and was even being used by the coaching staff as a blocking specialist, as a fullback blocker, etc. I don't know how you look at the blocking footage from his final preseason and games in Miami and excoriate him for it.

Egnew flunked out because he came out of a Missouri offense that basically just asked him to catch screen passes, run verticals, or maybe a few hitches and out routes, all from a spread concept, with him almost exclusively working out of the slot. He didn't really have to read leverage, know defenses, have a feel for spacing or passing lanes, etc. And though there were reports he had an academic background, I don't know whether those were just BS or whether there was an emotional thing going on (possibly both), but he just was not a player that could ever "get it".

In the end he failed WORST at the thing he was supposed to be MOST good at. And that's how you get a draft bust.

So if you're worried about Mike Gesicki being another Michael Egnew, that's what you've got to be concerned about. For all our talk about Gesicki's truly elite level size and athleticism, for all the tape of him out there abusing linebackers and defensive backs with the way he catches the ball in contested situations, does he go to the NFL and have all of that just fall completely flat because he can NEVER seem to translate it?

I guess to the degree you worry about any draft prospect, of course you have to worry about whether you've got the wrong evaluation here. But I'm not as worried with Gesicki on this area.

It's true that Michael Egnew also had good tape of his ability to finish catches, including some tape where he abused NFL standouts like Lavonte David. People sometimes do like to pretend there was nothing to like about Egnew coming out and that just was not true.

But Gesicki has more than that because when you watch him, you know that he knows how to set up defenders, how to read leverage, and how to find passing lanes. I think his basketball experience is particularly instructive on the latter. He just has a great feel for maximizing his spacing and looking out for passing lanes. He's a finesse player, there's absolutely no doubt about that. But as a finesse player, he knows how to get between zones and away from hairy spots in the coverage. He worked out of an offense where much more was asked of him than you saw with an Egnew at that Missouri spread. He only spent about 45% of his time in the slot, which is conservative for the college game TEs nowadays.
 
Are these highlights?

People are making him out to be the Ted Ginn of RBs. I mean you'd think this kid slides before contact every play. Obviously a 4th round RB is not going to come in polished up, it's our coaches job to sand the rough edges.

Never said he was Tedd Ginn. Simply said he doesn't always run with power. He isn't a feet turner a lot of the times. I said mostly he is Egnew because of his lack of WANT.
 
Never said he was Tedd Ginn. Simply said he doesn't always run with power. He isn't a feet turner a lot of the times. I said mostly he is Egnew because of his lack of WANT.

I never really saw that during his time at ASU. He just lacks the vision, which is why he dances a bit and is indecisive. That's not something you really learn. And he certainly doesn't play up to his size. Whether that's lack of effort, I have no idea. It was frustrating. When they got him into space, he was dangerous, because he could rely more on his athleticism than his brain. I think that's the role he'll play here. I don't want him as a full time back, but as a receiver out of the backfield, he's a legit weapon. An improvement over Williams.
 
I never really saw that during his time at ASU. He just lacks the vision, which is why he dances a bit and is indecisive. That's not something you really learn. And he certainly doesn't play up to his size. Whether that's lack of effort, I have no idea. It was frustrating. When they got him into space, he was dangerous, because he could rely more on his athleticism than his brain. I think that's the role he'll play here. I don't want him as a full time back, but as a receiver out of the backfield, he's a legit weapon. An improvement over Williams.
I am only basing that off rumors coming out when Ballage was basically benched. I don't know that for certain honestly.
 
Part of the problem with Egnew is that the team drafted him with the idea of conforming him to what they wanted instead of adjusting the offense to what he could do. Egnew could run and he had decent hands, but the team took stance of "No block = no rock". And they could never mold him into the player they wanted. Hopefully this staff does a better job of molding player into what they want or need, but also in the process finding ways to adjust the system slightly to fit what a player can do. It's like have a zone read quarterback and then plugging him into an offense where the qb plays under center. It's going to take time and you need to be patient and in the mean time you would be wise to add at least two or three zone read plays to your playbook. You also need to have aplayer with ability or desire to change their stripes if needed. I always got the feeling Egnew either lacked the mental ability to process the information needed to adjust his game or lacked the desire to do so.
 
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I am only basing that off rumors coming out when Ballage was basically benched. I don't know that for certain honestly.

It's hard to say if that was all him or if Todd Graham being a shitty coach had anything to do with it. He's certainly flawed, because he has the physical and athletic attributes you look for in the 1st round. As an ASU fan, it was frustrating, but he was the main guy there (despite Richard). Won't have to worry about that here.

I really don't see that in Gesicki. There's the pitfalls CK mentioned, but I have significantly more confidence in Gesicki than I ever did in Egnew, especially in Gase's offense.
 
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I agree Danny, we shouldn't feed the trolls.
 
Gesicki has some pretty damn impressive film (as a reciever) from what I saw -- don't think these's a lot to compare with the egg guy!
 
Lets not forget how dumb Egnew was. He was getting lambasted in meeting rooms by Dan Campbell on Hard Knocks for just being dumb.
 
Let me start off by saying I was happy we picked up Gesicki. but looking at their scouting combine info there is a lot of similarities between the 2. So i am wondering why we believe Gesicki will end up more like a Jimmy Graham and not a Mike Egnew?
You could probably do a comparison for every position in the NFL.
 
In addition to everything that was already posted here that favors Gesicki, here's another ...

College production.

Gesicki caught twice as many touchdowns and averaged 2.5 more yards per catch in college than Egnew. He did that over the a two-season stretch when Penn State threw the ball about 50 fewer times than Missouri did. And those two Penn State teams were very good, winning a combined 22 games.
 
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