Originally posted by Cranx
The entire premise of your argument was based upon the fact that you believed the Chargers would trade down to grab Rivers otherwise, you have absolutely nothing upon which to base your original assertion that Manning's price tag just went down. If you take out the notion that implies the Chargers are interested in Rivers then you have no argument, period.
Yes, your sentence structure does remove the explicit nature of the argument however, the implicit nature therein is still alive and well. So what you are now saying is that the notion of the Chargers grabbing Rivers is pure speculation on your behalf correct?
BTW, you still haven't justified how Manning is worth three #1's, a #3, and an upper eschelon CB. You seem to have deflected that argument entirely as it has become apparent that your reading comprehension skills lack even moreso than mine but hey, at least I can spell.
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Incorrect.
The premise of this argument, is that they might trade down for lower picks. THESE picks would be used to fill gaps in their defense.
It is also well known that they are questioning Breese.
At their current pick, they could
1. Get the QB, and foresake their other area's of need
2. Trade down, foresaking the QB, and filling gaps elsewhere (this banks their team on Breese being the man for awhile)
OR 3. They can have their cake and eat it too. They can trade down for our 2 defensive players, AND get a QB to challenge Breese.
This eliminates the threat of anyone moving above us to get a QB. As anyone would admit, there is a lot of discussion about where Rivers will go. Some THINK he'll go late, some THINK he'll go mid-round. No one knows. What we DO know, is that we need a QB to groom badly, and it is very possible that someone will sneak in to nab him. The primse is JUST to take SD out of the equation, but by trading up that high, we take ALL teams out of the equation. We would be able to nab our QB beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Next, I DID answer the "3 1st round picks" question, your just choose to ignore it. In short, you are WRONG. This is not a 3 round pick Value. Go
here THAT is an NFL draft Value chart.
According to you, it's not worth it to trade our 20th, an aging DB, and O-gun for Eli. Look back a few weeks, and you'll see someone else thought of this awhile ago. A week ago SD would have been insane to take this, as it is SO one sided in our favor. And yet you sit here and tell me that WE are getting ripped off. Look at the chart.
We are shooting for a pick valued at 3000
We have a value of 850 with our current pick. Let's say by some miracle, we get the 10th pick from O-gun. That is WAY higher than we'll get, but just to prove my point, the 10th pick there, and the tenth pick in the 3rd round brings us to 2370 points.
And your sitting here telling me madison is a first round pick? BS, no one will give a first round pick for him, he's not worth it. Best case scenario let's say he's worth the #1 pick in the 2nd round. That's 680 points......wow, that put us at 3050. Now, try to give someone the first second round pick in this draft for Madison. You won't find any biters, no matter who's up there.
That chart is being VERY generous. It's saying we get the 10th pick in the first AND third for O-gun, as well as Madison's value being at the top of the second round.
It would be fun to sit there and say "he's good, he's worth a first round pick" but in reality, you have to go by this system. It gives you ball park estimates on what you have to give to get those picks. Value wise, this is by FAR the best deal.