Originally posted by Graythreat
So your saying you need people to hold your hand when it comes to speculating? EVERYONE is speculating at this point, and my point makes sense.
fact 1. They NEED defense
2. They have the #1 pick and there are rumors that they MIGHT trade down
Think outside the box for a minute, they MIGHT jump for a QB AND their defensive players. it doesn't take a genius to see what they need and want, and this would be a way to get BOTH. Am I a sports writer? nope, are you? nope. So while you sit here and attempt to rip apart my proposed trade because some blowhard hasn't speculated the same thing in the last week I'll continue to take your rants for what they are. A personal opinion from a dolphins fan that means absolutely bupkus, yet feels he has to sit on here and attempt to tear apart a hypothesis by myself AND ASK QUESTIONS THAT I ALREADY ANSWERED.
Either you didn't read my original post, or you have huge reading comprehension problems. I feel that I stated quite clearly why manning's value has dropped, if you can't understand why I feel it has, I suggestyou attend argumentation class at your local community college. Don't worry, it should be a first year class, and will teach you how to understand what I wrote. If the fact is you just don't agree with it (i suggest you look that word up while your in class, as you obviously think your not agreeing with me some how translates into you being right) then YOU deal with it.
You jump to a lot of conclusions for a guy that's trying to say I am jumping to conclusions. your assuming O-gun is signed from us for a 1st and 3rd round pick. In any realm of reason, those would have to be VERY high picks for it not to be "worth it" to us to use them to trade to the number one pick in the draft. And your jumping to the conclusion that Madison is worth a first round pick.
once again, your reasoning is flawed. Tell me, who exactly would trade a #1 pick straight up for Madison? honestly, do a little bit of reasearch, and look at the values of players before you go spouting off what is worth what.
Next, I have a real value chart that the NFL uses. According to my proposition, we would be getting a GREAT deal. I put a lot more stock in that, than this hypertheticall "value chart" that you whatever it is you do. 3 first round picks? Look, at a REAL value chart, and you will see we are giving TWO first round picks, and alow third as the assumption should be made that we will not get a top 10 pick for O-gun. 2 low picks, and a DB who's performance has OBVIOUSLY suffered in the past 2 years for the top pick in this draft would be a phenominal trade. Call it "stupid" if you want, just realize it's your own opinion backed up by your hyperthetical value chart.
First off, before you bagging on someone else for their lack of insight and intelligence you should ensure that you’re able to A) spell that which you’re trying to write and B) use your words in proper context; you did neither in several instances here (BTW, the word is “hypothetical†not “hypERtheticalâ€Â...the latter word does not even exist in the English language.) Enough of that however, on to the merits (or severe lack thereof) of your post:
You state that “word on the street†is that the Chargers are thinking of trading down to grab Rivers and, based upon the sound of things, the only street where you’re hearing these “words†is the one in front of your house from the crazed out crack-whore who hangs out in front of your building. Once again, there has been ZERO speculation anywhere in the national media or upon the San Diego sports talk circuit to suggest your assertion otherwise is anything but a figment of your own imagination. While it’s fine to speculate and opine about things such as this you might want to pass these notions off as your own next time and not try to legitimize them by making it sound as though you have heard this from some reputable third party source; you only make yourself out to be a liar in the end. Again, there has been much speculation that San Diego might trade down, but there has been absolutely NO talk of them doing so in hopes of grabbing Rivers.
On to your point about your possessing an NFL value chart, I just have one thing to say: Give me a break. Each team values players totally differently and, therefore, no such standardized chart exists. I’m sure you downloaded something off the internet that might help give you some idea as to how much players are worth but- and I’m quite confident in saying this- it DID NOT come from the NFL itself.
As far as reading comprehension goes, here would be another area one might say you are the pot calling the kettle black. If your reading comprehension skills were as honed as you seem to think they are, you would realize that I never gave Madison a first round value grade. In fact, I didn’t give him a coinciding draft valuation ever, at any point within my original argument. I simply stated that he’s still one of the better players at his position in the NFL and that it would not be a good idea to lose him in some half baked, overpriced trade.
As for the three third round picks, that’s what you proposed reading comprehension boy, not me. I am assuming the first and the third round picks because, as a high tender RFA, that is what he is technically worth. This is not some vague reasoning, this is stone cold, hard fact. The RFA tender which the ‘Fins will be giving to Ogunleye WILL NET THEM FIRST AND THIRD ROUND PICKS from any team that chooses to sign him. As well, YOU proposed a third round pick that could escalate to a first based upon some sort of performance enhancements (which you failed to lay out BTW.) In other words, along with the #20 pick in this year’s draft that you proposed be offered, there are a sum total of potentially THREE first round picks and a third round pick here. I’m not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand but apparently it’s harder for YOU to get than it is for most other posters here. It’s not that hard to figure out but it is, IN FACT, what YOU proposed.
Heck, I’m arguing reading comprehension skills with you when you haven’t even shown the ability to understand the very thing that YOU wrote and proposed; they teach that kind of stuff in Jr. High bro, never mind your local community college where you probably got your AA degree in woodwork or something equally as cerebral. Next time, before you jump headlong into an argument such as this, be sure you’re prepared to defend your position in a manner that will not make you look like a total little bus rider.
P.S. One more thing: you still never made any argument as to how grabbing Manning would be any cheaper. You state that SD would be interested in trading down but why would they all of a sudden, be willing to take less for the #1 overall spot than they would have previously? You never made an argument to support your HYPOTHESIS!
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, wierder things have happened. 
