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Hickey implementing new technology for the draft

Found this online... Jeff Ireland also used technology to better prepare for the draft.

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I will say that Moneyball and cybermetrics is not just stats, but deals specifically with a players value....

I will add that in baseball it is much easier to evaluate a player individual contribution since a majority of his play is not affected by others on the field as it is in football.
 
Football can never be like baseball in terms of a statistical approach. The game is different in that baseball is an individual game with a team concept and the sample size is huge.
 
ConvenientTruth said:
I will say that Moneyball and cybermetrics is not just stats, but deals specifically with a players value....

I will add that in baseball it is much easier to evaluate a player individual contribution since a majority of his play is not affected by others on the field as it is in football.
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I agree with this 100%. But statistical analysis can still be useful if placed in context.

For instance, you might think Nick Foles is the best quarterback ever if you look at his stat line from last season. You might have a different opinion if you watched several Eagles games and compared them to a lifetime of watching football.

But at the same time, when you're trying to sort through hundreds (thousands?) of draft prospects, are you really going to be able to watch every single snap of all of them? Not at all. But in about a tenth of a second, a computer can give you a lot of information that helps you narrow down which guys you do want to look at closely.
 
I'm pretty sure even in moneyball the power of analytics vs traditional scouting was exaggerated at least slightly, I doubt scouts were actually ranking prospects based on the hottness of their girlfriends for instance.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
I agree with this 100%. But statistical analysis can still be useful if placed in context.

For instance, you might think Nick Foles is the best quarterback ever if you look at his stat line from last season. You might have a different opinion if you watched several Eagles games and compared them to a lifetime of watching football.

But at the same time, when you're trying to sort through hundreds (thousands?) of draft prospects, are you really going to be able to watch every single snap of all of them? Not at all. But in about a tenth of a second, a computer can give you a lot of information that helps you narrow down which guys you do want to look at closely.
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I agree....is should be one of many tools to build a team.
 
I think this is more of a scouting database and player tracking software. I doubt they are trying to implement the Nate Silver baseball sabermetrics as a forecaster of potential. Other sports can be tracked more easily because they are involve more individual performances, like a batter vs a pitcher, but football has too many moving parts. Game tape will always trump metrics in football imo.
 
RkyDaMan34 said:
Great, more technology to dumb the human race down... Surround yourself with good talent evaluators and have a good grasp/insight on what type of players will excel at the next level.. Ceiling, skill set, character, stats, motivation. Are you a good judge of character.. Lets hope Hickey has it...
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Yeah...

Nublar7 said:
:lol: Dolphins fans find the negative in everything. Even in a story that has nothing negative about it. :lol:
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Exactly...
 
Zounds said:
I think this is more of a scouting database and player tracking software. I doubt they are trying to implement the Nate Silver baseball sabermetrics as a forecaster of potential. Other sports can be tracked more easily because they are involve more individual performances, like a batter vs a pitcher, but football has too many moving parts. Game tape will always trump metrics in football imo.
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This is what most are saying....The tech seems like an organizational tool to pull up specific information at a moments notice...

- rank guards that fit the ZBS/cross reference that with those that ave a positive pass blocking grade/cross reference that with those that have at least 2 years starting experience in college and up pops a list of players based on the dolphins evaluations....
 
ConvenientTruth said:
This is what most are saying....The tech seems like an organizational tool to pull up specific information at a moments notice...

- rank guards that fit the ZBS/cross reference that with those that ave a positive pass blocking grade/cross reference that with those that have at least 2 years starting experience in college and up pops a list of players based on the dolphins evaluations....
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Considering how little time these guys have on the clock in the war room, I'd be very, very, very, very concerned if they didn't have software like this.
 
sure it's a nice tool but if the teams on the clock i would hope theyd have their ducks more in a row going into that specific timeframe than to have to to consult this to make a decision...

shouldnt be hard to have a fluid target list that adjust/updates on the fly as the players come off the board...
 
Advances Statistics are a great tool that I feel can help in building teams outside of Baseball. BUT you can't use it as the absolute source. Moneyball in principle can work easily in other sports, but the thing that is glossed over in the Brad Pitt movie is that the A's had the best 3 man rotation in baseball that year (including Barry Zito winning the Cy Young), and the AL MVP in Miguel Tejada. So they weren't exactly as devoid of actual talent as the movie would lead you to believe.

The whole idea of Moneyball is to find useful players to fill out your roster, not build a winning team around misfits. You still need to use your eyes to go with those stats. I don't care about how PFF grades our line, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that our OL sucked.
 
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