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I think we are mostly done until June 1st.

steviey01 said:
Hey I got a really great way to look at the Cedrick Wilson versus Derrick Henry conundrum…Ced Wilson’s got 2 years left at 7.75 million per year… What if we could get Derrick Henry in year 1 at 6 mil and let’s say 10 mil with incentives in year 2 with an opt out in year three?

Mechanism of the deal is… We trade Ced Wilson for a 5th (Dallas maybe) and then get Henry for our 2nd or 3rd and Tuxedo pays 4 mil of 2023 salary. We come out basically even for money and essentially get Derrick Henry for a swap of a 3rd for a 5th. ( If it takes the 2nd we also ask for a sixth or seventh in return from Tennessee)

Now the big question… If you could do it, would you?

Clue - just answer the question.
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I've said this forever, Cedric Wilson has no trade value whatsoever. 7.75M for zero production in 2022 and other than one slightly decent punt return in the playoffs he did absolutely nothing on special teams either. What team is taking on that contract when they can get that production off the street from any UDFA? The only way the Dolphins are trading Cedric Wilson is by giving up a pick along with him, and IMO, he's better off staying with the Dolphins.
 
lynx said:
I've said this forever, Cedric Wilson has no trade value whatsoever. 7.75M for zero production in 2022 and other than one slightly decent punt return in the playoffs he did absolutely nothing on special teams either. What team is taking on that contract when they can get that production off the street from any UDFA? The only way the Dolphins are trading Cedric Wilson is by giving up a pick along with him, and IMO, he's better off staying with the Dolphins.
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Especially if Waddle or Hill miss time- I mean you can’t be comfortable with any other WR picking up that production.

You might get more production with more snaps from Wilson at least he had some success at Dallas.

Berrios can give you a few catches but I am not counting on anyone else on roster that’s for sure.
 
Feverdream said:
Yep... we are better than we were last year. The only players of note that we've lost are Gesicki, (clearly did not work within our offense), Rowe (replaced with Elliot), Jones (Ramsey) and probably Ingram (Chubb and Reed).

This is a better team than last year, and this is before the draft even happens. I really like what we've done here.

My target list for the draft is DE (Ogbah), RB (receiving back and/or big back), LB (eventual Baker replacement), another TE, one Offensive Lineman, and DT depth. I know we only have 4 picks, but this is not a long list.
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I fully expect Mcd to NOT fill all the needs FH thinks the team has. A few of those 'needs' may not be 'needs' to Mcd and staff. Some may not be filled because of prioritization. Some may just not pan out.
I agree, barring a restructure or surprise trade, I don't see much activity before 6/1.
 
Feverdream said:
Here's what I have now... correct me if I've missed anything.

Offense (31)
QB: Tua, White, Thompson
RB: Wilson, Mostert, Ahmed, Gaskin
FB: Ingold, Lovett
WR1: Hill
WR2: Waddle
WRs: Wilson, Ezukanma, Sanders, Berrios, Swain, Cracraft
TE: Smythe, Saubert, Conner
LT: Armstead, Lamm
LG: Eichenberg, Jones
C: Williams, Feeney
RG: Hunt, Cotton
RT: Jackson, Christian, Smith

Defense (29)
DE: Ogbah, Twyman
DT: Wilkins, Bronson
DT: Davis, Sieler
Edge: Phillips, Chubb, Van Ginkle, Reed, Goode
MLB: Long, Tindall
WLB: Baker, Riley
CB1: Ramsey, Iggy, Bethel
CB2: Hoard, Crossen
FS: Holland
SS: Elliot, Jones
DBs: Kohou, Needham, Williams, Campbell, McKinley, Ellis

(Specials 3)
K: Sanders
P: Bailey
LS: Ferguson

Total (63)

We have 2M remaining under the cap until we get our Byron Jones relief. Let's take a look at the only realistic possibilities that might happen to increase this space...
a) There are a couple of people who keep saying, 'cut Crossen'. Myself, I think this is unlikely, but I will list it as a service to these posters. (3.155M... replaced by River Cracraft's 940K... net possible gain 2.215M).
b) Trade Cedrick Wilson. This is, I think, the second most likely possibility. (It's a cap savings of 7M if we do this... (less Cracraft's 940k) but the team seems to like him more than I do).
c) Trade Ogbah. I think this one is VERY unlikely... coming off of an injury marred season, I suspect he'd be hard to move, and teams would want us to pay part of his contract. Never say never though. This is we could trade him, would net us (up to) 15M on the cap (less Cracraft's 940K).
d) Restructure Wilkins. This one comes down to the will to keep him. If we want him; I am pretty certain he'll sign. Nailing down how much that we'd save is harder though... because there is 0% chance of knowing what he'd get when he'd sign. I'll make an educated guess. His salary for 2023 would go from 10.7M to 1M, so 9.7M savings to start, but now you have to add in the pro-rated portion of his signing bonus. Let's assume that he gets Daron Payne's contract. Payne's pro-rate is 5.6M a year... so resigning Wilkins is NOT going to save all that much.... maybe 4.1M. Yes, I know he could sign for less... and some will argue that he should, but I won't get into that here. let's just call it a 5M cap savings and be done here.

There really isn't much money available before June 1st... and as I think I've shown, the best cap relief in 2023 is in moving Cedrick Wilson...

Boys... I think we're done except for depth signings...

and yes I know, I know... Derrick Henry... his cap cost this year would be 10.5M. ...and yes, if we extended him, we could reduce that... but he's due 10.5 this year and he isn't going to play for less. If we resigned him to one of those 3-year contracts with a 1M salary and a 15M bonus, he'd still cost around 6M this year (and then 15 and 15 the next two years).
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GODDAMNIT!!! How did we lose making our draft picks? Was Ross at work again? :cool:
 
lynx said:
I've said this forever, Cedric Wilson has no trade value whatsoever. 7.75M for zero production in 2022 and other than one slightly decent punt return in the playoffs he did absolutely nothing on special teams either. What team is taking on that contract when they can get that production off the street from any UDFA? The only way the Dolphins are trading Cedric Wilson is by giving up a pick along with him, and IMO, he's better off staying with the Dolphins.
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His value right now is depth, if Waddle or Hill goes down for a couple of games I think we'll be pretty happy we have him then. Now I'm not opposed to moving him at the right price but not much experience in the WR room after these 3 or the guy is a JAG (Carcraft) or specialist (Berrios).
 
AquaHawk said:
Alright alright alright, Feverdream.

This list reinforces the progress made in upgrading the roster. More work remains—e.g. LG, RT, TE, DT depth—but this looks promising.
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Nothing too good or too expensive for AquaHawk (Fishhawk?) - LOL
 
fansinceGWilson said:
I fully expect Mcd to NOT fill all the needs FH thinks the team has. A few of those 'needs' may not be 'needs' to Mcd and staff. Some may not be filled because of prioritization. Some may just not pan out.
I agree, barring a restructure or surprise trade, I don't see much activity before 6/1.
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But, but, but how can the FO know more about football than Fin Heaven posters. - LOL
 
Very good roster distillation by feverdream. My immediate thoughts are that we won't have 2 fullbacks (Lovett is probably for the practice squad) and Cedrick Wilson will be one of the receivers. Wilson was good in Dallas behind their big names and had injury issues at the start of last season. I think that McDaniel may want to see what he can do when fully heathy in preseason.
 
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Feverdream said:
Here's what I have now... correct me if I've missed anything.

Offense (31)
QB: Tua, White, Thompson
RB: Wilson, Mostert, Ahmed, Gaskin
FB: Ingold, Lovett
WR1: Hill
WR2: Waddle
WRs: Wilson, Ezukanma, Sanders, Berrios, Swain, Cracraft
TE: Smythe, Saubert, Conner
LT: Armstead, Lamm
LG: Eichenberg, Jones
C: Williams, Feeney
RG: Hunt, Cotton
RT: Jackson, Christian, Smith

Defense (29)
DE: Ogbah, Twyman
DT: Wilkins, Bronson
DT: Davis, Sieler
Edge: Phillips, Chubb, Van Ginkle, Reed, Goode
MLB: Long, Tindall
WLB: Baker, Riley
CB1: Ramsey, Iggy, Bethel
CB2: Hoard, Crossen
FS: Holland
SS: Elliot, Jones
DBs: Kohou, Needham, Williams, Campbell, McKinley, Ellis

(Specials 3)
K: Sanders
P: Bailey
LS: Ferguson

Total (63)

We have 2M remaining under the cap until we get our Byron Jones relief. Let's take a look at the only realistic possibilities that might happen to increase this space...
a) There are a couple of people who keep saying, 'cut Crossen'. Myself, I think this is unlikely, but I will list it as a service to these posters. (3.155M... replaced by River Cracraft's 940K... net possible gain 2.215M).
b) Trade Cedrick Wilson. This is, I think, the second most likely possibility. (It's a cap savings of 7M if we do this... (less Cracraft's 940k) but the team seems to like him more than I do).
c) Trade Ogbah. I think this one is VERY unlikely... coming off of an injury marred season, I suspect he'd be hard to move, and teams would want us to pay part of his contract. Never say never though. This is we could trade him, would net us (up to) 15M on the cap (less Cracraft's 940K).
d) Restructure Wilkins. This one comes down to the will to keep him. If we want him; I am pretty certain he'll sign. Nailing down how much that we'd save is harder though... because there is 0% chance of knowing what he'd get when he'd sign. I'll make an educated guess. His salary for 2023 would go from 10.7M to 1M, so 9.7M savings to start, but now you have to add in the pro-rated portion of his signing bonus. Let's assume that he gets Daron Payne's contract. Payne's pro-rate is 5.6M a year... so resigning Wilkins is NOT going to save all that much.... maybe 4.1M. Yes, I know he could sign for less... and some will argue that he should, but I won't get into that here. let's just call it a 5M cap savings and be done here.

There really isn't much money available before June 1st... and as I think I've shown, the best cap relief in 2023 is in moving Cedrick Wilson...

Boys... I think we're done except for depth signings...

and yes I know, I know... Derrick Henry... his cap cost this year would be 10.5M. ...and yes, if we extended him, we could reduce that... but he's due 10.5 this year and he isn't going to play for less. If we resigned him to one of those 3-year contracts with a 1M salary and a 15M bonus, he'd still cost around 6M this year (and then 15 and 15 the next two years).
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you can post this 17 more times in the next two days but people will still say that we need to get 5 more big time free agents. Some people just don’t want to face reality.
 
NBP81 said:
I mean... We good. Mission accomplished imo.
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Part of the problem is that some ppl are not realistic about what can be done in one single offseason. They want All Pro caliber players at every position, and players that don't measure up to those standards need to just be cut outright, regardless of the ramifications, and replaced with "elite" talent.

I understand if posters have different priorities that what our staff seems to have. That's a different debate.
 
Nice post.

All that bring said, I respectfully disagree.

Me thinks we will be making moves at the draft. People talk Wilson alot. Dallas wants him back? I think he stays tbh.

Ogbah? Hmmm. Been very quiet. How's his back these days?

Anyhoo this is about FA right...

Coming up soon we have some off season training/optional thing in April? Will be nice to see some action.
 
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