Yep. I worked as a baker in a high end confectionery/bakery for a while, it basically thrived off people's addictions to caffeine and sugar.
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Yep. I worked as a baker in a high end confectionery/bakery for a while, it basically thrived off people's addictions to caffeine and sugar.
I don't know this kid from Adam so I can't attest to his "character" but I can talk about my character.
When I was 21 years old coming out of college to get my first "real" job I had to take a piss test. I wasn't worried in the least bit because yes I had tried pot when I went off to college at 18 but found it lacking to my taste so it had been years since I smoked any.
I went to the test and my test was a negative dilute so the nurse called me and said you drank too much water before your test you have to come back again. I didn't house water, I drank maybe 1/4 to 1/3 gallon which was about 4 glass more than I usually have in the morning (8 to 16oz generally). She said a lot of people overhydrate
I went back later that week and pissed again but this time hadn't drank nearly as much water and everything was fine. Years later I had to take another one and thinking I had to piss walked in a said "ready" she grabbed the sissors and said no problem and took some hair, 90 days back with hair for most illieal drugs and of course I was fine.
I've decided if I have to ever piss for a test again I'm eating the **** out of asparagus and drinking a pot of coffee.....I'm old enough now that **** em' if they want to test me they get some old stinky piss like a buck in rut.
When I was 21 years old coming out of college to get my first "real" job I had to take a piss test. I wasn't worried in the least bit because yes I had tried pot when I went off to college at 18 but found it lacking to my taste so it had been years since I smoked any.
I went to the test and my test was a negative dilute so the nurse called me and said you drank too much water before your test you have to come back again. I didn't house water, I drank maybe 1/4 to 1/3 gallon which was about 4 glass more than I usually have in the morning (8 to 16oz generally). She said a lot of people overhydrate
I went back later that week and pissed again but this time hadn't drank nearly as much water and everything was fine. Years later I had to take another one and thinking I had to piss walked in a said "ready" she grabbed the sissors and said no problem and took some hair, 90 days back with hair for most illieal drugs and of course I was fine.
I've decided if I have to ever piss for a test again I'm eating the **** out of asparagus and drinking a pot of coffee.....I'm old enough now that **** em' if they want to test me they get some old stinky piss like a buck in rut.
First, this is not in defense of Peppers per se. However, while I'm aware that teen aged drinking ultimately leads to about a 15% alcoholics rate, I've gotta believe that considering the large AA following throughout the country, a similar 6% or more legal social drinkers end up as raging alcoholics. And probably a substantial sub set of those have endangered the public by driving while intoxicated.
Bottom Line: so long as alcohol is legal and readily available to the same college aged players, the use of marijuana should not be held to a higher standard of abuse IMO.
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Pretty much everything can be addictive. And any addiction is harmful, whether its pot, alcohol, heroin, gambling, porn, marshmallows or whatever. But there are degrees to the harm that an addictive substance or behavior can have on a addicted person. In terms of physical or psychological damage that pot addiction creates, its closer to an addiction to marshmallows than it is to an addiction to meth or heroin.
Every player who attends the Scouting Combine must submit to drug testing. With two of the players who were tested at the Scouting Combine in 2017 generating positive tests via diluted samples, there’s an important point to keep in mind when deciding whether the explanation for the failed drug test passes the smell test.
The samples are collected very early in the morning, with the players often getting the “wakey wakey” business before doing their business into a cup. So the diluted samples either resulted from a player drinking huge amounts of water before going to be and then: (1) failing asleep with a rapidly-filling bladder; and (2) sleeping through the night with a very full bladder, or from a guy waking up early and drinking copious amounts of water in order to ensure that certain substances won’t be detected in the sample.
The statement issued on behalf of former Michigan defensive back Jabrill Peppers accounts for this dynamic by pointing out that the player “was being pumped with fluids, drinking 8-10 bottles of water before he went to bed, because he was the first guy to work out two days for the LBs and DBs.”
Is it possible he actually drank that much water before going to sleep, fell asleep with that much water in his system, and slept through the night without having to get up to unload most of the 8-10 bottles of water before proving a sample that wasn’t dilute? Sure. But it’s also possible that Foster, Peppers, and anyone else who generated a test sufficiently dilute to be regarded as an effort to beat the test deliberately ingested extra water to ensure that any banned substances would be undetectable in a sample of urine that had been overloaded with water.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...sessing-credibility-of-diluted-sample-excuse/
The real dilemma is you are already in the NFL program so the next problem it games lost... with Tunsil at least it was prior and as far as we know he was never required for extra monitoring or given strike one.. its going to be different for Peppers and Foster. Teams will have to weigh the risk..
The samples are collected very early in the morning, with the players often getting the “wakey wakey” business before doing their business into a cup. So the diluted samples either resulted from a player drinking huge amounts of water before going to be and then: (1) failing asleep with a rapidly-filling bladder; and (2) sleeping through the night with a very full bladder, or from a guy waking up early and drinking copious amounts of water in order to ensure that certain substances won’t be detected in the sample.
The statement issued on behalf of former Michigan defensive back Jabrill Peppers accounts for this dynamic by pointing out that the player “was being pumped with fluids, drinking 8-10 bottles of water before he went to bed, because he was the first guy to work out two days for the LBs and DBs.”
Is it possible he actually drank that much water before going to sleep, fell asleep with that much water in his system, and slept through the night without having to get up to unload most of the 8-10 bottles of water before proving a sample that wasn’t dilute? Sure. But it’s also possible that Foster, Peppers, and anyone else who generated a test sufficiently dilute to be regarded as an effort to beat the test deliberately ingested extra water to ensure that any banned substances would be undetectable in a sample of urine that had been overloaded with water.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...sessing-credibility-of-diluted-sample-excuse/
The real dilemma is you are already in the NFL program so the next problem it games lost... with Tunsil at least it was prior and as far as we know he was never required for extra monitoring or given strike one.. its going to be different for Peppers and Foster. Teams will have to weigh the risk..
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phinzfan21
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Good info ^
and for the record, Judgement works both ways.
and for the record, Judgement works both ways.
LordTua
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**** yes you take that chance. Without a 2nd thought.
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Just my two cents but it seems to me that Peppers is trying to dilute to hide something. He also pulled out of a bowl game at the last minute because you could be tested.
Foster on the other hand(my guess) was probably trying to increase his weight so he did not look undersized.
Foster on the other hand(my guess) was probably trying to increase his weight so he did not look undersized.
Foster gets a pass for being undersized with troubling character, but Pepper's doesn't despite also being undersized with a absolutely clean and perfect record? Interesting.
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I would draft them both. I am just saying I don't think there is as much risk in taking Foster
Biggest problem I have is that BOTH the agents and players are well aware of the situation about tests being diluted for " drinking too much water". Agents know well in advance that at the combine that this could happen. They had weeks and even months to prepare their clients and do all the preventative maintenance needed to avoid things like this happening. Its either total incompetence on the agents and players part or more likely preventative strategy as to avoiding a full blown positive test. None the less it comes off as a bad look and raises many red flags
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This is a good thing. I have watched 3 of his games from this year, 3 from last year and I just do not see the player he is portrayed to be. The one area he excels in is as a returner. I am not saying that he is bad just that he does not live up to the hype. I think it would be a far wiser move to go in a different direction early in the draft. If he falls to the 5th rd.(which he will not), sure take a shot if he is available. But do not use a 1st rd. pick on him.
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The league views it as a fail.
Kinda. For some reasons the rules at the combine differ from that of the actual NFL. If a player gives a diluted sample in the regular NFL, he is allowed a certain time or multiple tests until a proper result can be had. This doesn't hold true for the combine.