You have a thick skull seeing as you continue to try and get me to talk about Eli Manning and his being elite. No.
Tampa Bay has never been elite. I also never said Brady was elite in '01.
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Here's my explanation for the 10th time. You don't get to or win the Super Bowl, you aren't elite. It's as simple as 1+1 = 2
What NFC teams did I list as elite aren't in your opinion? You're jealous of the Giants so I don't expect you to respect them. Green Bay? Championship. New Orleans? Championship.
Anyone else you want to mention?
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You mock Vaark's apparent accepting of the Jets good year in 2010 but honestly man I think that's what you want here. Why else spend hours on end trying to get people to see your view of the New York Jets? If we all agreed they were elite, what then?
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You can give me a phantom example all you want, I've used facts from the start in this conversation. I will repeat myself until the cows come home.
No title = no being elite. Win all the regular season games you want and make the playoffs all you want. The goal is to win it all. Do that and you're elite. Continue to fall short, you are not elite.
I'm not trying to get you to debate Eli being elite, it's not debateable. He's not elite, never has been.
TB won a SB in 2002, they weren't elite? you are all over the place.
OK so if you don't win a SB you can't be elite(except TB who won a SB and wasn't elite) but 5-6 QBs a year can be elite. Got it.
I'm not trying to sway anyone, I post fact based opinions while folks like vaark whine b/c they are jealous that the team they hate has been so good.
yep you have used facts. QB who threw 25 INts just a year ago and has led his team to mising the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years is elite, team who has most playoff wins and most title game apps is not elite. oh and all SB champs are elite except TB.
The goal is to win it all, do that and you are the best team in the sport and SB champs but ther are multiple elite teams per year. the elite teams are the teams fighting for that SB.
The Bills are the one exception I think. Getting to the SB four straight years is something unheard of. Yeah they choked it all away but still it's a remarkable achievement. If anything they were AFC-elite. It's the one exception out of all of the examples we could discuss.
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What about when Junc says the Jets have been one of the best AFC teams since 2000? See my post #77 for details
Buf was an elite NFL team and an AFC dynasty in the early 90s.
I said one of the BETTER teams, only NE, Indy, Pit and Bal have more playoff apps 2001-2011.
Baltimore was elite in the early 2000s. Some of their defense still remains from those years and once those guys are gone, the elite tag (which I don't really consider them) would wear off if they don't make another SB run. San Diego isn't elite but has had some success since 2000.
Baltimore is still elite. Only team to reach postseason last 4 years, one of 3 teams to reach multiple title games last 4 years(NYJ, Pit), no team has more playoff wins the last 4 years.