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Joe Schad: "cut Ryan Tannehill? Hah. Miami Dolphins Are Blessed To Have His Contract."

i refuse to believe some of these posters actually believe their nonsense. Trolling is a helluva thing.
 
The Goat said:
I am aware of this.
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My point was more about the cap hit than anything else in that the cap hit to replace RT will be worse than keeping him. The dead cap is only $5M in '20, so it makes a lot more sense to keep him another season.
 
Really have to stop blaming Tannehill for Tannenbaums flub to put the cap hit that high. He's making 8.7M this year. Of course it's going to be high when you do that!
 
Eesti said:
The cap hit we are taking from RT this year is entirely on Tannenbaum. He chose to restructure to offset some of the losses he's had with other stupid contracts he's handed out. Tannehill made 8.7M this year. That's the reason why his number is so high next year. They tacked on an additional 12M in restructure bonus.

The guy has averaged less than 9.7M per year over his career thus far.

If you want to track it from his second contract (after rookie deal), he has averaged about $14M.

Not happy about the 26.6 he is getting next year, you can blame Tannenbaum.

That was after a quick look at this contracts and they may be off a tad but that should be pretty close.
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Here’s the thing about the restructure. It gave the team room to operate without any new cash flow.

Since the cap carries over, that head room flows right back into next years cap.
 
The Goat said:
Easy, you two. This is hater on semi-hater action here. Please keep your ranks in order and proceed forth to squash optimism in an orderly fashion, or happiness might break out.
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Now there’s The Goat I’ve come to loathe :chuckle:

You mean realist on realest action!

GO TANNEHILL!! :cheers:
 
If a player drinks themselves to death while under contract, does that come off the books? Because that would make Bortles kind of an interesting signing option. You can sign him as a Hail Mary, and if it doesn't work out, you just have the team driver drop him off on South Beach and wait for the coroner's report.
 
CoryMatthews said:
Tannehill has only thrown for 3041 net yards his last 16 games against terrible competition. The team has rushed for 1900+ yards and the defense has had 34 turnovers (which would lead the lead in 3 if the last 5 seasons. Tannehill hasn’t been the reason they have been winning. Not that he has played bad, but not worth a 26 mil cap hit.
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QBs don't win games. Teams do. That was true when Tannehill had a losing record under Philbin and true when we're 12-4 in the last 16 games he's started.

However, Tannehill's play has been a key reason we've gone 12-4 over that stretch. Stats aren't everything but they're at least a discussion point on success. Here's his for the last 16...(net yards passing. I dont think anyone, without a narrative to preach, uses gross yards passing for a QB)

Date Opp Att Cmp Pct Yds YPA TD Int Lg Rate Result
10/16/2016 Pit 32 24 75 252 7.9 0 0 53 97.4 W, 30-15
10/23/2016 Buf 25 15 60 204 8.2 1 0 66t 99.4 W, 28-25
11/6/2016 NYJ 28 17 60.7 149 5.3 1 0 24 86.8 W, 27-23
11/13/2016 @ SD 24 17 70.8 240 10 2 0 56 130.6 W, 31-24
11/20/2016 @ LA 34 24 70.6 172 5.1 2 1 15 89.3 W, 14-10
11/27/2016 SF 30 20 66.7 285 9.5 3 0 46 130.6 W, 31-24
12/4/2016 @ Bal 40 29 72.5 226 5.7 1 3 26 63.1 L, 38-6
12/11/2016 Ari 20 15 75 195 9.8 3 1 71 124 W, 26-23
9/9/2018 Ten 28 20 71.4 230 8.2 2 2 75t 89.9 W, 27-20
9/16/2018 @ NYJ 23 17 73.9 168 7.3 2 0 29t 123.1 W, 20-12
9/23/2018 Oak 23 17 73.9 289 12.6 3 0 74t 155.3 W, 28-20
9/30/2018 @ NE 20 11 55 100 5 0 1 22 47.9 L, 38-7
10/7/2018 @ Cin 35 20 57.1 185 5.3 1 2 22t 57.4 L, 27-17
11/25/2018 @ Ind 25 17 68 204 8.2 2 0 74t 119.4 L, 27-24
12/2/2018 Buf 24 16 66.7 137 5.7 3 1 18t 103.6 W, 21-17
12/9/2018 NE 19 14 73.7 265 13.9 3 0 69t 155.2 W, 34-33
430 293 68% 3,301 7.68 29 11

Lots of efficient games with strong completion %. Excellent YPA. Good TD to INT ration. He's done his job well under Gase.

If you saw that stat line with the name John Doe, you'd be moaning how we need that guy over our rotten QB...

one woulda, coulda, shoulda note...he was tearing it up in the AZ game before the cheap shot...probably would mean close to 3500 yards and 30 TDs if he does not go down

If your argument is soft schedule, I feel Ive won the argument

Edit...the stats sure dont post like I see them in my post. Key takeaways... 293 of 430 for 68%. 3301 yards for 7.68 YPA. 29 TDs and 11 picks. Sorry about the jumble of data
 
FWIW I think the rolling 16 game sample size is less relevant than the full body of work he has with the current coaching staff.

I'd include every game he's played under Gase. It's still a good body of work.
 
TheWozz said:
QBs don't win games. Teams do. That was true when Tannehill had a losing record under Philbin and true when we're 12-4 in the last 16 games he's started.

However, Tannehill's play has been a key reason we've gone 12-4 over that stretch. Stats aren't everything but they're at least a discussion point on success. Here's his for the last 16...(net yards passing. I dont think anyone, without a narrative to preach, uses gross yards passing for a QB)

Date Opp Att Cmp Pct Yds YPA TD Int Lg Rate Result
10/16/2016 Pit 32 24 75 252 7.9 0 0 53 97.4 W, 30-15
10/23/2016 Buf 25 15 60 204 8.2 1 0 66t 99.4 W, 28-25
11/6/2016 NYJ 28 17 60.7 149 5.3 1 0 24 86.8 W, 27-23
11/13/2016 @ SD 24 17 70.8 240 10 2 0 56 130.6 W, 31-24
11/20/2016 @ LA 34 24 70.6 172 5.1 2 1 15 89.3 W, 14-10
11/27/2016 SF 30 20 66.7 285 9.5 3 0 46 130.6 W, 31-24
12/4/2016 @ Bal 40 29 72.5 226 5.7 1 3 26 63.1 L, 38-6
12/11/2016 Ari 20 15 75 195 9.8 3 1 71 124 W, 26-23
9/9/2018 Ten 28 20 71.4 230 8.2 2 2 75t 89.9 W, 27-20
9/16/2018 @ NYJ 23 17 73.9 168 7.3 2 0 29t 123.1 W, 20-12
9/23/2018 Oak 23 17 73.9 289 12.6 3 0 74t 155.3 W, 28-20
9/30/2018 @ NE 20 11 55 100 5 0 1 22 47.9 L, 38-7
10/7/2018 @ Cin 35 20 57.1 185 5.3 1 2 22t 57.4 L, 27-17
11/25/2018 @ Ind 25 17 68 204 8.2 2 0 74t 119.4 L, 27-24
12/2/2018 Buf 24 16 66.7 137 5.7 3 1 18t 103.6 W, 21-17
12/9/2018 NE 19 14 73.7 265 13.9 3 0 69t 155.2 W, 34-33
430 293 68% 3,301 7.68 29 11

Lots of efficient games with strong completion %. Excellent YPA. Good TD to INT ration. He's done his job well under Gase.

If you saw that stat line with the name John Doe, you'd be moaning how we need that guy over our rotten QB...

one woulda, coulda, shoulda note...he was tearing it up in the AZ game before the cheap shot...probably would mean close to 3500 yards and 30 TDs if he does not go down

If your argument is soft schedule, I feel Ive won the argument

Edit...the stats sure dont post like I see them in my post. Key takeaways... 293 of 430 for 68%. 3301 yards for 7.68 YPA. 29 TDs and 11 picks. Sorry about the jumble of data
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He also had 35 sacks for -260 yards and 9 fumbles. His Any/a was only 6.7 which is good but not great.

Only 465 dropbacks in 16 games, which is basically hiding the qb.

He was tearing up in the Arizona game? He had 3 fumbles.
 
Tannehil can't be relied on to make it fully healthy for 16 games anymore. Not sure why that isn't obvious to everyone. Ironman no more.

There are three games left and already upon his return from shoulder injury he is hobbled two games in. Doubt he makes it unscathed the final three.

He is a Qb that has maximized his skill set and plateaued, there is no magical level left for him to go. You've got a classic run of the mill 8-8 Qb that takes advantage of teams with weak Qb play and the schedule. Year after year. Zero accomplishment to his name, zero winning seasons, zero playoff victories, zero big-game wins. At any inflection point in the season when the game is needed for the Dolphins to go from middle-class to upper-class, Tannehill flunks.

I would argue that he is injury prone now and the organization must hedge its best with a Qb behind him capable of surpassing Tannehill. If not, we are staring at 10-12 games of Tannehill and Osweiller/Moore/[insert-bum] for the rest of the games. Unacceptable organizational planning.
 
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