Just watched the game DON'T UNDERSTAND the frustration with Tannehill

[Vaark]

I love the argument as to how that missed throw to a wide open Wallace was somehow Wallace's fault. "He didnt locate it".

When I walk out on to my back porch, I can not locate the Washington Monument. That is because the Washington Monument is about 300 miles from my house.

I love the reaction of "he's a winner" when a QB going back to postseason college games is 1-4, with several 2nd half shut-outs, a complete game offensive shutout and a total of 26 2nd half points scored through those 5 games... and who goes 4-12 without a few of those same superstar offensive weapons with which he choked in the postseasons but with the footballoutsiders 9th ranked pass protecting OL and a 1000 yard receiver.

When I turn on the TV looking to see clutch QBs from the 08 class, I only see Joe Flacco.

 

[1972fins]

Here you go. This is what it looks like, so you can now stop trying to find it from your back porch. :up:

The problem is that you have to know what it looks like and you just fixed it.

 

[FinHopeful]

It's simple FInheaven logic :

Tannehill throws a touchdown = He's a god!

Tannehill throws an interception = He's a bust!

LOL. So true.

 

[Bumpus]

Sometimes I feel like there are a lot of people on both sides of the Tannehill debate, or any Finheaven debate, that seem to watch the game with sole intent of finding some morsel of evidence to support their side of the argument.

Just sometimes ???

 

[FinHopeful]

I was shocked when I logged on and saw the hate. He had two bad plays, the pick and the overthrow to Wallace. Other than that, he was spot on. Does he need to get it in the end zone, yes, but that's up to him and our playmakers.

Dion Sims fumbles on a great drive, and his pick killed the other drive. Both could have resulted in 14 points.

No, he had two other throws where he lacked touch on the ball. One was the screen pass Dallas players thought was a lateral. He locked on to Hartline on the int, and he locked on to Miller on the outlet play. He should have looked off the CB. I do believe the criticism is overstated, but we need him to improve.

 

[BlueFin]

It's easy to be negative about a QB....the odds are you are going to be right as most don't make it an even more fail to reach elite level.

It's not about not tolerating dissention...it's about fairness and patience.

No realistic fan expects a QB to reach elite level without a learning curve of growth and progression.

You also have to allow for weaknesses in the surrounding cast, which we have beaten to death and I will not regurgitate.

RT has progressed from year one to two....I expect year 3 to be better than year 2....or else I will probably become one of his detractors.

But, I am going to wait until this year plays out before I go there.

 

[FinHopeful]

It's easy to be negative about a QB....the odds are you are going to be right as most don't make it an even more fail to reach elite level.

It's not about not tolerating dissention...it's about fairness and patience.

No realistic fan expects a QB to reach elite level without a learning curve of growth and progression.

You also have to allow for weaknesses in the surrounding cast, which we have beaten to death and I will not regurgitate.

RT has progressed from year one to two....I expect year 3 to be better than year 2....or else I will probably become one of his detractors.

But, I am going to wait until this year plays out before I go there.

He definite played better his second year, and I agree he will play better this year. I am firmly behind him as our starter, but I try to temper comments like he had a good game. He did not. He did not have a horrible game. It was an inconsistent game.

 

[ojmcduffy]

I fully support Tannehill. It is preseason and we are running a vanilla offense so as not to show our hand for the season.
That being said Matt Moore is awesome. I can't understand why everyone in the league is not beating down our door for him. He would be great for a team with decent LBs, or a few draft picks to burn......... I am looking at you Rams

 

[slosh13]

I love the argument as to how that missed throw to a wide open Wallace was somehow Wallace's fault. "He didnt locate it".

When I walk out on to my back porch, I can not locate the Washington Monument. That is because the Washington Monument is about 300 miles from my house.

I didnt get a chance to see the play, but listening to WQAM Kup and Crowder show and Channing pretty much said that Wallace didnt read the coverage right and Ryan made the right throw!!!!

 

[roy_miami]

This whole forum is sounding very similar to how it did when Henne was here, the vast majority thought he was the guy, a few brave souls voiced an alternate view point, they were largely shot down all the way through to when the penny eventually dropped mid way through his last season with us, when it was clear than he wasn't the man.

It's homerism really some on here are blind to the faults and who can blame them after so long without hope, they desperately cling to any small glimpses of it. Tanny could easily go the same way as Henne, that viewpoint is not welcome on this forum though. I have a feeling he will and become a run of the mill average QB in this league like Henne is, I'm hoping though that I'm so very wrong here, all our eggs our in the Tanny basket, we and the coaching staff too can't afford him to fail.

In terms of his performance against Dallas, not good enough if that was a game that mattered, thankfully it didn't and hopefully some learning points for him to take away, despite the spin in this thread, if he plays like that against Brady and his Pats we are gonna lose. The guy really needs to work on that deep ball, that should be a focus for their practices, it's plain as the nose on his face, that we'll never get the best out of our highest paid player until he and the QB sort this out. Decision making with young QBs is always a work in progress, the INT was a horrendous piece of decision making, he's a smart kid apparently so learn from this Ryan.

All hope is not lost, it's not the end of the world, if anyone on the forum is declaring Tanny a bust right now, they are simply wrong, he's young, has potential, has the tools, is intelligent enough to work on his game and try to improve, but time is running out for him, the 3rd season for a young QB is usually the point that you know what you've got, he looks like he's got a good OC to help his game now and if the line play the way they played against Dallas, he won't have the excuse for next year. Make it happen Ryan, fulfill that potential become the franchise guy you have it in you to become.

Good post. I don't know why people are in such a rush to be the first to make a declaration one way or the other. The potential to make yourself look like a fool is too high. Bill Barnwell's article on Tannehill was spot on, the fog in the crystal ball should be clearing by this point in his career but its not, so he's kind of an enigma in that regard. The only thing I would say is there should be a time element where if you're still making excuses, even if those excuses seem valid in a vacuum, for years then you can safely call it. I don't think we're quite there yet and unfortunately this new OC is going to be the excuse du jour but hopefully his play clears the waters regardless of the excuses by the end of the year one way or the other.

I think a proper projection at this point in his career is "mediocre at worst." He's been nothing but mediocre, and there's no reason to believe he could be worse, but there is reason to think he could be better.

 

[hoops]

I didnt get a chance to see the play, but listening to WQAM Kup and Crowder show and Channing pretty much said that Wallace didnt read the coverage right and Ryan made the right throw!!!!

i just don't see it...the db is head up over wallace on the play 2 yards off he may be slightly showing outside leverage wallace wins with the inside stutter step move tannehill comes off the safety he held with his eyes and has to adjust the throw...i just don't see how anyone can put that on the wr...it's not like that safety had an angle to the ball if he throws it inside vs outside...he could have thrown that ball on a rope wallace was winning so much and he would have walked in and it's also not like the db was playing a inside leverage where wallace would just release wide and straight up the field...poor throw

yeah no doubt the cb was playing a outside leverage technique he tries to jam wallace off the ball with his inside hand but is too far outside off the stutter step and stumbles...the more i see it the more it confirms it for me...

tannehill also threw both his balls across his body to sims too far inside...the first he completed and sims fumbled the second was almost a pick 6...you can't throw the ball that far inside it must be out in front on the outside vs coverage or you get problems throwing that wide...i can't roast other qbs for those too far inside poor placement throws and give tannehill a pass

if you want to beat new england in week 1 the qb is gonna have to execute better...

 

[Zounds]

That throw to Wallace was on the QB. Even if Wallace didnt read the right coverage or wasnt where he was supposed to do, Tannehill needs to take a peak at his WR before he makes that long throw.

That INT to Hartline you can tell Tannehill was fooled at the LOS. He thought he had 1v1 on that side but it was a nice trap play by Dallas. They studied Hartline. They knew that Hartline just runs a comeback or go, so they covered the top and underneath and just waited for the ball on a trap play. Again, Tannehill didn't look before he released his throw - which seems to be a common theme for the 3 bad decisions he made Saturday night. I'm glad it happened in preseason and I have no doubt that Lazor will address it with Tannehill.

 

[mithga13]

My take on Tannehill going in to his 3rd season.....He's very solid, he'll make one throw per half that make you shake your head, but other than that throw he's very good. Should develop into a top-10 quarterback over then next 2 years, but he'll never be a Manning/Brady/Marino/Elway/Montana level QB....so if your looking for him to be that, it's going to be a long decade.

On the plus side, if you put a good team around him, it's playoffs...if you put a really good team around him, you got a shot at a title.

The biggest problem with this team this year is the years of overpaying and mediocre drafting by Jeff Ireland. If Hickey has another offseason next year like this year, I could see a deep run next season.

8 or 9 wins this year considering our schedule.

 

[hoops]

hartline int is 2 deep zone qb stared it down under corner never sat down...i thought my qb was better than that...i still do but that's just flat awful...the safety leverage is over to hartlines side anyways if he holds the safety with his eyes from the get go the corner sits down and he's got a window behind him...if he doesnt the corner continues to drop in depth and undercuts the ball

from what i have seen in 2 years tannehill is better than that...he better be

he even stares at it so much that the drop lb on that side wilbur almost can get over there...it becomes a ball thrown into triple coverage cause the eye discipline was not there...

the lb wilbur doesnt drop that deep if he doesnt eye bang it so much either

 

[mwestberry]

He wasn't good. He had a sub 60 passer rating, which he has done 8 times in his career and we lost all 8 of them. The bottom line is that was a losing performance. No need to hit the panic button over a preseason game but the fact of the matter is he wasn't good.

This !!!!
He's ok so far. Don't know if there has ever been a converted QB THAT HAS BEEN LIGHTS OUT...MAYBE SO

Nonetheless WE expect OUR qb TO score POINTS...HE HAS NOT PROVEN TO DO THAT CONSISTENTLY....aka "PLAYMAKER"
Until he can finish drives in a consistent fashion that produces points AND at least occasionally BE THE MAN on a difference making drive then ....meh he's ok.