Andyman
Canadian Fin Fan
How does New England dump Stefon Gilmore and get better?
Who cares? They're gone. It makes no difference now.With our anemic line and two solid defenders how does our F.O. Not bring these guys back????? Seems unimaginable..
And what people seem to not understand is that they didn't perform at the same level when they were here as they are with the Patriots. It has to do with good coaching and being in the right schemes. Karras was nothing special here but he looks a lot better on the Patriots o-line because he is surrounded by better players and better coaching.Who cares? They're gone. It makes no difference now.
Yes poor coaching.... Poor coaching had our defense playing so vanilla the first half of the season and they could not stop anyone. The coaches then changed the scheme to what worked best last year and look what has happened since. The players are the same but the coaches changed what the they had the players doing.Poor coaching on the defensive side?.....NO
That has nothing to do with those players not being here anymore.Yes poor coaching.... Poor coaching had our defense playing so vanilla the first half of the season and they could not stop anyone. The coaches then changed the scheme to what worked best last year and look what has happened since. The players are the same but the coaches changed what the they had the players doing.
So yes poor coaching on the defensive side of the ball.
True, but with the o-line this could have been offset if Grier and Flores had brought in some better Free Agent veteran o-linemen to replace the ones they released. The smart thing to do would have been to start just two young guys on the o-line and have them play next to three competent veterans (not named Davis). The REALLY DUMB thing to do would be to start four unproven young guys with little to no experience along with an incompetent Davis and an inexperienced o-line coach, without having any starting-caliber veteran back-ups in case the young guys struggle. If Grier and Flores had put a few decent Free Agents on the o-line (and got a good RB) they would be playing for the #1 Seed instead of losing 7 games in a row and in all likelihood missing the playoffs again.Not making the playoffs is the price to be paid for waiting on young players to step up...
My question is could NE do that too us? Just cram it and we’d be as helpless as Buffalo? I’d like to think we’re more stout up front than that am I dreaming?
Trading Ereck Flowers was the true dumb move, as he’s legitimately developed into a good starting NFL caliber guard
In looking at the stats from the game last night, Van Noy had 1 tackle. So I have no idea why anyone would wonder why the Dolphins would have let him go. I would much rather have Van Ginkel and Phillips as the outside LB’s than Van Noy.
Godchaux had a very good game but the Dolphins saw him as more of a backup to Davis and Wilkins and didn’t feel he was worth the money that the Patriots were willing to give him in free agency. Davis and Wilkins have played very well, so not wanting to sign a backup DT for the money he was paid by the Patriots still makes sense to be.
Karras is listed as the backup center on the Patriots. He was nothing special with the Dolphins last year and he obviously wanted to go back to the Patriots instead of resigning with the Dolphins. No big loss as far as I am concerned.
i don't regret any of those three players no longer being here.
however, karras would have been better than Reiter and Mancz as a backup center here, when Deiter went down.
but we were looking to upgrade karras with andrews and some other guys, so it's understandable he'd rather ride the pine where he spent his career, than here.
Karras obviously didn’t want to return to Miami and wanted to return to New England. The Dolphins weren’t interested in signing him for a lot of money because it’s obvious they wanted Dieter to be their backup center this season. They signed Skura thinking he would be their starter. Unfortunately Skura didn’t pan out, even though he a better center over the years than Karras has been.
Skura had been a pro bowl center just a few years ago while Karras had been a backup most of his career in New England. So signing Skura instead of Karras prior to the season certainly looked like an upgrade at the center position at the time.
I don't think that is correct. My recollection is that the team was trying to upgrade from Karras to David Andrews, and were not able to get it done (with Andrews agreeing to a 4 year deal to return to NE).For the record, Karras said he had the most fun of his career playing in Miami. He wanted to be resigned. Miami didn’t want him and it was clear with how they went after Skura and how Karras got a very minimum salary from the Pats. Regardless, that ended up being a mistake.
Better players? I'd take Waddle, Tua, Gesicki and Parker (when healthy) as weapons over NE. Yeah they have better RB unit but I've been beefing about that since the Draft. OL is better as well but I'd take the players I've listed over their QB, TE and WRs.And what people seem to not understand is that they didn't perform at the same level when they were here as they are with the Patriots. It has to do with good coaching and being in the right schemes. Karras was nothing special here but he looks a lot better on the Patriots o-line because he is surrounded by better players and better coaching.
But we do. We have the worst OL in the NFL Run blocking and pass blocking it was on ESPN with stats tonight. On the Defensive side of the ball we are just now starting to play lights out. But for 8 games we were in the abyss with their heads up their ass.Don’t need any of them really so who cares?
Cost. They saw Andrew Van Ginkel (plus using the high Draft pick devoted to Jaelan Phillips) as the lower cost solution to optimize performance. GM Chris Grier probably concluded that he had way overpaid for Kyle Van Noy. Note, KVN was on a 4 year deal for $51M with the Dolphins, but Miami was able to pay him just the guaranteed amount of $15M in 2020 and exit after one year. In contrast, New England are set to pay him just $6.823M this year. (They had paid him an average of just over $5M per season in his previous contract with the Patriots).KVN was the one I didn’t get.