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Manuel Wright in the 3rd Guarantee.

Philter25 said:
The pick we throw on him will be what we believe his worth would be IF he was in the actual draft.
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The point is that IF he were in the actual draft, he'd have a year under his belt (starting possibly). As of right now, he's just got a lot of upside.
 
Basically it is drafting next years draft, now. So we basically get a year of use out of a pick that is from next year. IF the coaching staff likes him, lets go for it.

I am not sold either, but I do not have to be. I am not making the pick. IF we do draft him I will cheer for him. What ever is best for the team.
 
Could be worth a 3rd.

Any Cinni fans here? How serious is Cinni's front office/coaching staff?

Training reports about Cinni talk about their wants or needs concerning the DT position?

Finally is the whole thing a giant smokescreen?
 
We need youth, and talent at DT in a big way right now. I was expecting Bowens to go one more year, and I had no idea that Chester was in question until he showed up limp at the mini camps.....

DT K. Traylor sounds overweight, and out of shape from recent reports, so I'm not completely sold on him either. Zngonina / Romero are decent depth players at best IMO. Bottom Line : We need as much help at DT as we can get....

PHINZ RULE!!!!
 
Me and my buddy ( a bengals fan) have been discussing this..and we agree that Cinncy shouldnt give a 2nd rounder and neither should we...but we both agree a 3rd is worth it, and since we hold a higher pick he would be a phin...so we both are convinced he is Miami bound!!
 
Oboy said:
Does that mean you are going to bet Philter?

I could see it going either way. If we both throw in a third we beat out Cinci, right?
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There were 12 teams with 6 wins or less so the worst spot we could get is 12th.

Cinci had 8 wins which puts them in the 2nd tier (non playoff teams with more than 6 wins). The best spot they could have is 13th.
 
I think we should draft Wright, put him at DT, have Vonnie Holliday gain 30 or 40 pounds and share time with Traylor at NT.

That way Kevin Carter can play more LDE.
 
ckparrothead said:
I think we should draft Wright, put him at DT, have Vonnie Holliday gain 30 or 40 pounds and share time with Traylor at NT.

That way Kevin Carter can play more LDE.
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I agree with the Kevin Carter playing more LDE.... however wouldnt it make more sense to try to get Wright a little more weight on him to play NT and have Holliday play DT?

Holliday might only be a 1 year fix and Traylor is 34. Physically, I have not seen ANYTHING of Wright to be able to know if he can play NT or just DT. Just size and agewise it would be a better investment for the future if he could play NT. Its a lot easier to find a DT than it is to find a NT....

I know there was an article awhile back about Holliday putting on weight to play NT, which I was very very shocked about..... I could see him putting on weight to play DT, but NT weight from him would be a lot more drastic.

Physically though I must admit, I dont know enough about Wright or Holliday to know who would make the better NT or DT..... I can just go by future predictions, contract length, and long term value to the team.
 
We'll recoup the third rounder when we trade Zach next year.














Kidding.:tongue:
 
30-40 lbs. ? :confused:

That is a hell of alot of weight to gain.

And I don't see Zach leaving next year. ;)

Not only he should stay a phin, because of talent, but he should stay a phin because of cap. If I am not mistaken cutting him/trading him hurts us more than it helps.
 
you have to believe that Saban, with his close proximity to the college game, will be able to determine if Wright is worth a third round or not. if Nick says he's worth a third rounder, i'm inclined to believe him. as someone in this thread already pointed out, it's like we get Wright exactly one year ahead of schedule. furthermore, if you believe that last year was way out of character and that this year we'll be closer to 9 - 7, then chances are our third round pick in the 2005 supplemental will be higher than our third round pick in the 2006 draft, so Wright's value is even better for us this year.
 
Vonnie Holliday is probably stronger than Manuel Wright, at Holliday's current weight. And, I say this because I've researched it and discovered that Holliday is indeed abnormally strong. In Green Bay, he was the strongest man on the team, even while Gilbert Brown was around. At 6'6", Manuel Wright may be a little tall to play the NT position, not enough leverage.

And 30-40 pounds is doable, if you don't mind the fact that it will mean Holliday will lose a lot of quickness and endurance. If you were asking a dude to pack on 30 pounds that fast in a way that he won't lose too much speed, endurance, or quickness, and will just gain a ton of strength, that would probably be impossible. However, Holliday has the strength, at NT he wouldn't need a whole lot of quickness, so what he really needs is leverage and mass.

Holliday use to be a 300+ pound DT in college. I just don't think his future with this team lies as a passrusher. He's become a run stopper. He is signed for 2 years. Let's see if he can put on weight and become a decent NT.
 
Wright may be worth a third, or even a second...but I don't think he is ready for the pros yet.

getting him in would be great, but how much of an impact would he, or any other DT's have in there rookie year.

on top of that, he didn't even start. I know why he didn't start, but the fact reamins that he didn't and his consisatncy/durabilty/stamina could be a concern.


He's not the ideal first year contributor
 
Even if we draft him with a 3rd, I wouldnt be suprised if we STILL used a 1st or 2nd rounder next year on a DT also. We really need 2 young DT's to groom.[/QUOTE]

I respectfully disagree here. We are going to be focused on a couple of positions in the next few years via draft/FA.


QB, LT, CB, S, DT

If we spend one of our first day picks on Wright, that is essentially spending next years first day pick for your DT. If we spent a first or second, then we have used two day one picks on DT, a position that would be on the field perhaps 50% of the plays.

I think we'd go for a late round guy again (Vickerson type) and a low cost FA to fill in depth at the position. We already have guys that slide into that spot for pass rushing.

Depending on where we are picking and how Carey does this year I'd expect a LT first. Probably then move Carey over to RT.

QB in second round or first depending on Feeley.

I hope we save the pick and not spend it on a guy out of desperation. He just hasn't proven enough for a team rebuilding to risk losing a potentially high pick over IMO.

We'll see what Saban thinks of the guy I suppose.
 
Losman7 said:
Wright may be worth a third, or even a second...but I don't think he is ready for the pros yet.

getting him in would be great, but how much of an impact would he, or any other DT's have in there rookie year.

on top of that, he didn't even start. I know why he didn't start, but the fact reamins that he didn't and his consisatncy/durabilty/stamina could be a concern.


He's not the ideal first year contributor
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His situation reminds me of a poor man's Vince Wilfork. I remember in Miami Wilfork didn't start for a long time, because he had William Joseph and someone else in front of him, but Wilfork had quite the reputation for his quickness and strength, and he was definitely an impact player in the waiting. If Manuel Wright got to play this year, who knows he might not be a "poor mans" anything.
 
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