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McMike - Are you kidding me?

Canadianfishfan said:
i love McMike... but his blocking sucks.... thats dedication and ficus on every play.. and it hasnt just been this offeason... it was all last year. Remember last year when he complained about having to stay back and block... hes not committed to it. Diamond would be nice to use ..
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I agree 100%.

There's actually a play that sticks out in my mind. 2 years ago, I believe it might have been the Snow Bowl game up here in New England. He totally blew his assignment, and Harrison walked right in and destroyed Fiedler, which I believe led to a fumble. (I remember being at the game, and cursing McMichael)

His head NEEDS to be in it every play. If he's not going to dedicate himself to becoming a better blocker then I see no reason to give him big money. We'll go out and sign someone who will be dedicated.
 
FinaticPatch said:
Yes Jermain caught 71 balls last year but before that Vikes TE's never caught over 40 or 50 max. And randy had already put up 73 which is better than any Minn TE in recent history.
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Kleinsasser is making a pretty big $ (@ $3mil/yr) from Linehan's system in Minny. He is no big time pass catching threat. He is an H-Back and one of the top blocking TE's in the league. That should give an idea of what is valued in this system. High catch totals does not mean you are the best TE. There is more to it than just that. If it was all about fantasy football stats then Brady wouldn't be getting 10 mil/yr and have 3 rings.
 
IceStorm said:
Where do you come up with the fact that he "hasn't earned it"? I'm asking, not accusing. Because for the last two seasons, with the poor offense that we had, he was still the 5th best TE in the entire NFL on BOTH years. (5th out of 87 in 2003, and 5th out of 102 in 2004).
http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/TE-RECEIVING/2004/regular
http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/TE-RECEIVING/2003/regular
And for his rookie season he was ranked 14th out of 81. His ROOKIE season.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/TE-RECEIVING/2002/regular

I don't know guys, but I think you might be over reacting. McMichael is a really good TE for us. I wouldn't trade him at all. And besides, its preseason. Realize that, and realize that none of it means anything.
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Your assumption is that total # of catches ranks you as the best TE. I disagree - there is alot more to the position than just the # of catches. He lets up a sack and it leads to a fumble and lost game but he catches 6 balls - does that mean he had a great game? Would he be ranked any lower o nthis chart? He may have had the 5th most catches during his highest total year ever but that hardly means he is the 5th best TE in the game IMO.
 
thecoordinator said:
there might be 10 TEs in this league that are playmakers. randy is one of them. you guys need to chill tfo. he had one bad game in the preseason. mc is going to have a probowl season this year in linehan's offense.
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This isnt the first time McMike has suffered the "dropsies"
He is usually fairly sure handed but he does go though spells that he drops a lot more than he should.
 
yankeehillbilly said:
This isnt the first time McMike has suffered the "dropsies"
He is usually fairly sure handed but he does go though spells that he drops a lot more than he should.
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This will be the difference on whether he will make the pro-bowl or not.
He better practice keeping his focus for the entire game to catch consistantly and quit blowing his blocking assignments.
There's not much left to do at that position, I would think that he would figure it out.
 
IceStorm said:
Where do you come up with the fact that he "hasn't earned it"? I'm asking, not accusing. Because for the last two seasons, with the poor offense that we had, he was still the 5th best TE in the entire NFL on BOTH years. (5th out of 87 in 2003, and 5th out of 102 in 2004).
http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/TE-RECEIVING/2004/regular
http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/TE-RECEIVING/2003/regular
And for his rookie season he was ranked 14th out of 81. His ROOKIE season.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/TE-RECEIVING/2002/regular

I don't know guys, but I think you might be over reacting. McMichael is a really good TE for us. I wouldn't trade him at all. And besides, its preseason. Realize that, and realize that none of it means anything.
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1) its not just catches
2) its not that he doesn't have skill - its skill and help to our team relative to what he wants. i'll repeat - he wants, (and i quote) "Tony Gonzalez money".... yet he doens't produce Gonzalez stats, NOR is he as invaluable to our Offense as Gonzalez is. I'm not saying he isn't valuable, just not as invaluable. Besides, as was pointed out, his blocking skills leave a lot to be desired. Given the status of our OL, we need a blocking TE, not an occasional-catch-the-pass-if-i-feel-like-it-and-have-concentration-and-motivation-that-day-kinda guy.

i'm not saying dump McMike... i'm saying if he holds out demanding that Tony G-sized contract, let him go. in fact i'd rather trade him and get something for him rather than letting him walk next year for nothing. Remember Surtain? Same thing. Surtain was a GREAT asset for us... but too expensive. McMike will be the same. We have a dearth of great receivers on our offense, but not a lot of good blockers.

If we have to take a hit on talent to bring a better blocker in, so be it. What good is having a good pass-catching TE if we don't give our QB time to throw the ball to said TE. and what good is it if said TE doesn't catch the ball? or fumbles it away?

This isn't "sky is falling" stuff... this is observations over the past several months, into last year. McMike was displaying these problems last year, and hasn't shown ANY improvement. Granted, its the preseason, but explain to me why Randy would purposely suck in the preseason? to hide his true self from other teams? i don't think so...

Randy needs to learn to stop getting in fights with his wife, start blocking, and start catching those balls. If he does, then yeah, pay him commensurately. if not, pay him commensurately. Find another TE in the league who isn't as flashy or name-brand who puts up similar stats as McMike but maybe blocks better or something, and pay him like that guy. Aaron Shea, Jeb Putzier, Ernie Conwell, Doug Jolley come to mind....
 
i think we should pay him a decent contract. i also think he is the second best offensive player we have behind chambers. i dont want to hear that ricky or brown are our best offensive players. its chambers then randy.
 
McMike strikes me as a guy who has a lot of the qualities you'd want in a TE you'd pay a ton of money to, but also as a guy who DOESN'T have some of the essential qualities you'd want in such a guy. First of all, his character is a concern. Is he going to end up in jail for something and have to miss games because of it? I don't want to pay Tony Gonzalez money to a guy sitting in a jail cell.

Second, some of the things he does on the field are good from a leadership standpoint (there's that word...), but some of them are VERY questionable. Dancing with the cheerleaders, although fun, isn't what I want my offensive leader doing during a game, especially if he's making more money than almost every other guy on my offense.

Third, he seems to have some mental lapses (poor blocking, dropped balls at key times, fumbles at key times) that make you scratch your head and wonder where his head's at during the game.

Anyway, all of these things, IMO, argue AGAINST paying him all-pro TE money. I'd rather franchise him, pay him less, and see if he can straighten out his act in the interim. Getting older may help him actually.
 
Rich22 said:
What are you babbling about?? Are you hanging out with Moss these days? Where did I say we will trade McMike let alone get a 1st and 3rd. Second - I have never excused Feely - who are you talking about? Let us know when you come back down from the high. Randy has talent and uses it when he wants BUT I don't see him as a blocking force. That I don't see happening any time soon. My point was we need to shore up the blocking and he is part of the problem.
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This is why LithoMan is the only person on my ignore list.
 
Randy McMichael, right now, is our most proven offensive weapon. Linehan's offense depends on TE's. We'll keep him, sign him long-term, and he'll consistenly be among the top TE's for the next 6-8 years.
 
texasPHINSfan said:
1) its not just catches
2) its not that he doesn't have skill - its skill and help to our team relative to what he wants. i'll repeat - he wants, (and i quote) "Tony Gonzalez money".... yet he doens't produce Gonzalez stats, NOR is he as invaluable to our Offense as Gonzalez is. I'm not saying he isn't valuable, just not as invaluable. Besides, as was pointed out, his blocking skills leave a lot to be desired. Given the status of our OL, we need a blocking TE, not an occasional-catch-the-pass-if-i-feel-like-it-and-have-concentration-and-motivation-that-day-kinda guy.

i'm not saying dump McMike... i'm saying if he holds out demanding that Tony G-sized contract, let him go. in fact i'd rather trade him and get something for him rather than letting him walk next year for nothing. Remember Surtain? Same thing. Surtain was a GREAT asset for us... but too expensive. McMike will be the same. We have a dearth of great receivers on our offense, but not a lot of good blockers.

If we have to take a hit on talent to bring a better blocker in, so be it. What good is having a good pass-catching TE if we don't give our QB time to throw the ball to said TE. and what good is it if said TE doesn't catch the ball? or fumbles it away?

This isn't "sky is falling" stuff... this is observations over the past several months, into last year. McMike was displaying these problems last year, and hasn't shown ANY improvement. Granted, its the preseason, but explain to me why Randy would purposely suck in the preseason? to hide his true self from other teams? i don't think so...

Randy needs to learn to stop getting in fights with his wife, start blocking, and start catching those balls. If he does, then yeah, pay him commensurately. if not, pay him commensurately. Find another TE in the league who isn't as flashy or name-brand who puts up similar stats as McMike but maybe blocks better or something, and pay him like that guy. Aaron Shea, Jeb Putzier, Ernie Conwell, Doug Jolley come to mind....
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nice post....just a note about the TEs you listed....Putzier....good player but he was signed this offseason to a pretty good long term deal. (actually I think it was the Jets who offered him a contract, he was restricted, and rather than Denver losing him without compension becuase he was not drafted, Denver had to match). I think his deal put him in the top 10 for TEs in salary believe it or not.
 
texasPHINSfan said:
1) its not just catches
2) its not that he doesn't have skill - its skill and help to our team relative to what he wants. i'll repeat - he wants, (and i quote) "Tony Gonzalez money".... yet he doens't produce Gonzalez stats, NOR is he as invaluable to our Offense as Gonzalez is. I'm not saying he isn't valuable, just not as invaluable. Besides, as was pointed out, his blocking skills leave a lot to be desired. Given the status of our OL, we need a blocking TE, not an occasional-catch-the-pass-if-i-feel-like-it-and-have-concentration-and-motivation-that-day-kinda guy.

i'm not saying dump McMike... i'm saying if he holds out demanding that Tony G-sized contract, let him go. in fact i'd rather trade him and get something for him rather than letting him walk next year for nothing. Remember Surtain? Same thing. Surtain was a GREAT asset for us... but too expensive. McMike will be the same. We have a dearth of great receivers on our offense, but not a lot of good blockers.

If we have to take a hit on talent to bring a better blocker in, so be it. What good is having a good pass-catching TE if we don't give our QB time to throw the ball to said TE. and what good is it if said TE doesn't catch the ball? or fumbles it away?

This isn't "sky is falling" stuff... this is observations over the past several months, into last year. McMike was displaying these problems last year, and hasn't shown ANY improvement. Granted, its the preseason, but explain to me why Randy would purposely suck in the preseason? to hide his true self from other teams? i don't think so...

Randy needs to learn to stop getting in fights with his wife, start blocking, and start catching those balls. If he does, then yeah, pay him commensurately. if not, pay him commensurately. Find another TE in the league who isn't as flashy or name-brand who puts up similar stats as McMike but maybe blocks better or something, and pay him like that guy. Aaron Shea, Jeb Putzier, Ernie Conwell, Doug Jolley come to mind....
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Nice post
 
Yes, Randy has missed blocks. But thats not his only job. I sit here and read about people posting up numbers saying how bad someone is, then I also hear people say that numbers don't matter.

Fine, he can be ranked 5th overall out of 105 TE's. But if he misses a block and thus causes a fumble, does that negate his catches? Good question, to you it might be yes. But you're only picking parts of the picture that you want to better your argument. Lets look at it all. Lets say he missed a block and thus caused a fumble. Fine. But lets also look at the receiving he did that enabled a touchdown, or the catches for first downs, etc. We can't just pick certain plays and say he's terrible overall, or that he's great overall.

Yes, he should block better. And I think he'll be learning that more as this new team progresses. But to crucify him and completely forget the positives is not justified.

Here's my question. How many times did he miss a block that caused a sack? Now, you MUSt compare this with EVERY OFFENSIVE LINEMAN that did the same. Oh, don't forget that Randy must also be a receiver as well. The line blocks, plain and simple, nothing more nothing less. Big contract, eh, I"m not the coach or the GM. I could care less.

But there are a ton of other players that need more help that aren't contributing as compared to 81.
 
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