McMike - Are you kidding me?

[BLITZKRIEG]

Is this guy still waiting for a big time contract? My guess is that he plays out his last year with the Phins and moves on because he has not shown he is worth big money. I'm not just listing the drop passes after being able to watch the last game finally but he got BLOWN over by a LB. Are you kidding? He got run over for a big sack on Frerotte. I know our Oline looks bad but they aren't getting much help from this guy. He was consistently pushed back when he stayed in to block. Add the drops and while I like his fire he is not proving to be a big time TE. Real disappointing to me. How can we be dominant up front when you have a center who gets pushed back almost every down and a TE would gets knocked on his backside half the time. That's 1/3 of the line that is pretty useless blocking. Add McDougal who was just painful to watch and I can see why there was one change and possibly more on the way. I know I may get ripped for this but IMO we need to give up the catching ability of McMike to get some much needed blocking. We have WR's and RB's that can make plays BUT if we don't get some blocking soon we may score less than last year. Now I understand why Lee is still around - cause compared to McMike he is a blocking machine.

I agree....

As much talent as McMike has, he's fools gold when it comes to overall production at TE. The worst of his woes are his horrible blocking skills, and his lack of focus when the ball is in his hands. Since his breakout rookie season, he's gone straight downhill. Not only on the field, but off as well....

I say we trade McMike to someone foolish enough to give us a good draft pick, and then go with TE L. Diamond in 2006. McMike is just too ****y for his own good, and he acts like a child most of the time....

Unless he has a huge year for us in 2005, he should be traded IMO....

PHINZ RULE!!!!

 

[Fran2fin]

I made mention of this in this thread where I did a blocking breakdown of the Steelers game. I noticed this last year, but was shocked to see him getting owned time after time this game. He didn't seem as into the game as I've seen him before, but I hope the coaches take notice so he can fix that issue.

Not to be a downer, but his performance is a great disappointment. I still can't help thinking that his drinking problem may be getting out of control.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

Yes, Randy has missed blocks. But thats not his only job. I sit here and read about people posting up numbers saying how bad someone is, then I also hear people say that numbers don't matter.

Fine, he can be ranked 5th overall out of 105 TE's. But if he misses a block and thus causes a fumble, does that negate his catches? Good question, to you it might be yes. But you're only picking parts of the picture that you want to better your argument. Lets look at it all. Lets say he missed a block and thus caused a fumble. Fine. But lets also look at the receiving he did that enabled a touchdown, or the catches for first downs, etc. We can't just pick certain plays and say he's terrible overall, or that he's great overall.

Yes, he should block better. And I think he'll be learning that more as this new team progresses. But to crucify him and completely forget the positives is not justified.

Here's my question. How many times did he miss a block that caused a sack? Now, you MUSt compare this with EVERY OFFENSIVE LINEMAN that did the same. Oh, don't forget that Randy must also be a receiver as well. The line blocks, plain and simple, nothing more nothing less. Big contract, eh, I"m not the coach or the GM. I could care less.

But there are a ton of other players that need more help that aren't contributing as compared to 81.

I dont think anyone of us are disputing hes talent as an offensive weapon. But the argument has become, with the worries of protection... there is a need for the TE to be more effective in that aspect of the game. And McMike as had numerous lapses in that area. In numerous years. Last year wanted to get more invoved offensively.. but was terrible in protection. Name me a New England player that complains when the efficiency od the entire offense is at stake. Every player on offense have duties away from the ball and its that type of committment to detail that made them SB champions.

There are incredible players in this league who put themselves above their team.. And i dont believe too many of them have rings. Ie Owens.. Moss.

 

[IceStorm]

I dont think anyone of us are disputing hes talent as an offensive weapon. But the argument has become, with the worries of protection... there is a need for the TE to be more effective in that aspect of the game. And McMike as had numerous lapses in that area. In numerous years. Last year wanted to get more invoved offensively.. but was terrible in protection. Name me a New England player that complains when the efficiency od the entire offense is at stake. Every player on offense have duties away from the ball and its that type of committment to detail that made them SB champions.

There are incredible players in this league who put themselves above their team.. And i dont believe too many of them have rings. Ie Owens.. Moss.

And in the start and finish of my last message I agreed that he has missed blocking assignments as well that he needs to work on that area. But I want to not just look at one thing. But at his entire role as not only a blocker but also as a receiver. Many plays call for him for a chip block and then go out for a pass. If he blocks too much or too long, he won't be out in his pattern. If he blocks to little, the QB is toast. Its a tough position, but I'm sure that he'll get better as he has in the past. Maybe just not fast enough for some of us.

 

[PHAZINPHINZPHAN]

Is this guy still waiting for a big time contract? My guess is that he plays out his last year with the Phins and moves on because he has not shown he is worth big money. I'm not just listing the drop passes after being able to watch the last game finally but he got BLOWN over by a LB. Are you kidding? He got run over for a big sack on Frerotte. I know our Oline looks bad but they aren't getting much help from this guy. He was consistently pushed back when he stayed in to block. Add the drops and while I like his fire he is not proving to be a big time TE. Real disappointing to me. How can we be dominant up front when you have a center who gets pushed back almost every down and a TE would gets knocked on his backside half the time. That's 1/3 of the line that is pretty useless blocking. Add McDougal who was just painful to watch and I can see why there was one change and possibly more on the way. I know I may get ripped for this but IMO we need to give up the catching ability of McMike to get some much needed blocking. We have WR's and RB's that can make plays BUT if we don't get some blocking soon we may score less than last year. Now I understand why Lee is still around - cause compared to McMike he is a blocking machine.

Didnt he lead the team in receptions last year? Mc Mike was 3rd or 4th in the league last year for tight-ends and you dont think he is performing. We need every offensive weapon on the team.

 

[LithoMan]

TE's are going to be a big part of this offense.

We're going to need his hands

Exactly. If you want another blocker, to excuse Feeleys ineptness, then get a Dwayne Carswell. TE are for passing, not blocking. They just add some support, they arent supposed to block ends and tackles all day long.

 

[LithoMan]

What are you babbling about?? Are you hanging out with Moss these days? Where did I say we will trade McMike let alone get a 1st and 3rd. Second - I have never excused Feely - who are you talking about? Let us know when you come back down from the high. Randy has talent and uses it when he wants BUT I don't see him as a blocking force. That I don't see happening any time soon. My point was we need to shore up the blocking and he is part of the problem.

Screw you and your philosphy. You go smoke your blunt. Im tired of cry babies want blocking to excuse POS QB's, that cant find their a$$ from a hole in the ground. You go smoke your blunt with Ricky. And let me know, when we can actually use a passing TE, in passing situations. Because we finally have a QB worth a crap, that Randy dont have to block Ends/Tackles/LB's/S's/CB's all day long because the dipsheet under center can actually throw a football.

He is a receiving TE, and deserves to be treated as so. Ecuse the dipsheet under center, but not the TE.

 

[IceStorm]

Screw you and your philosphy. You go smoke your blunt. Im tired of cry babies want blocking to excuse POS QB's, that cant find their a$$ from a hole in the ground. You go smoke your blunt with Ricky. And let me know, when we can actually use a passing TE, in passing situations. Because we finally have a QB worth a crap, that Randy dont have to block Ends/Tackles/LB's/S's/CB's all day long because the dipsheet under center can actually throw a football.

He is a receiving TE, and deserves to be treated as so. Ecuse the dipsheet under center, but not the TE.

Hey man, relax ok. If you want to have your opinion, then you have to let others have theirs. Even if you disagree completely.

Freedom of speech for all, not just for some.

Besides, not one soul on this board will have any say in who is cut, kept, traded, etc. Its all good. Just keep rooting for our team, whether good or bad.

 

[LithoMan]

Wow, is this New York. I can't believe I didn't see a "Let's Cut Randy" thread. Everyone loved him last year. Chris Chambers drops passes, Marty Booker drops a lot of passes. I have to say, you fans think Lorenzo Diamond is the Franchise TE, wow, we have to have some weird fans.

Exactly. EVERYONE was on his jock, just 6 months ago we were debating who was the best TE in the NFL. I said Randy, but many had him in the top 3. Now, they all want to cut him or let him go. They all think they are some sort of gurus diagnosing the play of this team. But, they were the ones claiming 12 win/playoff births. Now, they are getting slapped with the reality checks, and cant take it. So, there has to be a fall guy, since their lil boy under center, aint cutting it.

And, like I said, we had a bad draft, and it aint panning out for sheet. Daniels, starting because he has too, Roth aint show nothing, Crowder.... I dont believe Ronnie wont be a big part, but I wont be surprised if he isn't. It just keeps getting better all the time. All the personal attackers against people stating their claims, that dont jive with theirs. What a bunch of hypocrits. Excusing everything under the sun, and when that dont work, the personal attacks.

Now, is the time for phinheaven diagnostic "gurus" reality check. We arent wining 10-12 games, ronnie aint all that, roth and crowder in the wrong positions evidenced by their lack of play, daniels will be chumped, we had a bad draft, it aint randys fault Feeley is a chump, and my personal favorite is that your diagnostic skills are chumpish at best, but downright horrible.

Like I have been trying to tell you all, for the last 3 years, all the above are happening and will happen. Like I have said, I am right 80-85% of the time. You canlay blame on Randy McMichael, but that just goes to show what kind of diagnostic skills you have. None! But, it cant be your lil boy under center, not the precious Feeley. The flop master, the kid with the big eyes, AJ "Birdman" Feeley!

 

[LithoMan]

Hey man, relax ok. If you want to have your opinion, then you have to let others have theirs. Even if you disagree completely.

Freedom of speech for all, not just for some.

Besides, not one soul on this board will have any say in who is cut, kept, traded, etc. Its all good. Just keep rooting for our team, whether good or bad.

I am relaxed. He attacked my POV, I will do the same to his.

 

[M-REAL]

Next thing you might hear on here is, bring Rob Konrad out of retirement and replace McMichael with him and now call him a TE instead of a fullback... :shakeno:

 

[Sal Lisitano]

Screw you and your philosphy. You go smoke your blunt. Im tired of cry babies want blocking to excuse POS QB's, that cant find their a$$ from a hole in the ground. You go smoke your blunt with Ricky. And let me know, when we can actually use a passing TE, in passing situations. Because we finally have a QB worth a crap, that Randy dont have to block Ends/Tackles/LB's/S's/CB's all day long because the dipsheet under center can actually throw a football.

He is a receiving TE, and deserves to be treated as so. Ecuse the dipsheet under center, but not the TE.

Actually...TE isn't only for catching...it's a position where you need to do both...catch and block.

It also depends on the offensive system...some systems call for the TE to block more than catch and vice versa.

Example...the TE's on the Steelers usually stay in and block...it isn't because their QB can't throw the ball.

Your whining and attitude is horrible. You need to chill and take a breather from being up McMike's jock...buddy.

Your thinking is flawed...and McMike is becoming more expendable...face it.

Go Fins!!!

 

[Rich22]

Exactly. EVERYONE was on his jock, just 6 months ago we were debating who was the best TE in the NFL. I said Randy, but many had him in the top 3. Now, they all want to cut him or let him go. They all think they are some sort of gurus diagnosing the play of this team. But, they were the ones claiming 12 win/playoff births. Now, they are getting slapped with the reality checks, and cant take it. So, there has to be a fall guy, since their lil boy under center, aint cutting it.

And, like I said, we had a bad draft, and it aint panning out for sheet. Daniels, starting because he has too, Roth aint show nothing, Crowder.... I dont believe Ronnie wont be a big part, but I wont be surprised if he isn't. It just keeps getting better all the time. All the personal attackers against people stating their claims, that dont jive with theirs. What a bunch of hypocrits. Excusing everything under the sun, and when that dont work, the personal attacks.

Now, is the time for phinheaven diagnostic "gurus" reality check. We arent wining 10-12 games, ronnie aint all that, roth and crowder in the wrong positions evidenced by their lack of play, daniels will be chumped, we had a bad draft, it aint randys fault Feeley is a chump, and my personal favorite is that your diagnostic skills are chumpish at best, but downright horrible.

Like I have been trying to tell you all, for the last 3 years, all the above are happening and will happen. Like I have said, I am right 80-85% of the time. You canlay blame on Randy McMichael, but that just goes to show what kind of diagnostic skills you have. None! But, it cant be your lil boy under center, not the precious Feeley. The flop master, the kid with the big eyes, AJ "Birdman" Feeley!

WOW!! What a joy to have a fan like this around. :shakeno:

 

[Rich22]

Actually...TE isn't only for catching...it's a position where you need to do both...catch and block.

It also depends on the offensive system...some systems call for the TE to block more than catch and vice versa.

Example...the TE's on the Steelers usually stay in and block...it isn't because their QB can't throw the ball.

Your whining and attitude is horrible. You need to chill and take a breather from being up McMike's jock...buddy.

Your thinking is flawed...and McMike is becoming more expendable...face it.

Go Fins!!!

Thank You!! 100% Right On!

 

[Sal Lisitano]

Exactly. EVERYONE was on his jock, just 6 months ago we were debating who was the best TE in the NFL. I said Randy, but many had him in the top 3. Now, they all want to cut him or let him go. They all think they are some sort of gurus diagnosing the play of this team. But, they were the ones claiming 12 win/playoff births. Now, they are getting slapped with the reality checks, and cant take it. So, there has to be a fall guy, since their lil boy under center, aint cutting it.

And, like I said, we had a bad draft, and it aint panning out for sheet. Daniels, starting because he has too, Roth aint show nothing, Crowder.... I dont believe Ronnie wont be a big part, but I wont be surprised if he isn't. It just keeps getting better all the time. All the personal attackers against people stating their claims, that dont jive with theirs. What a bunch of hypocrits. Excusing everything under the sun, and when that dont work, the personal attacks.

Now, is the time for phinheaven diagnostic "gurus" reality check. We arent wining 10-12 games, ronnie aint all that, roth and crowder in the wrong positions evidenced by their lack of play, daniels will be chumped, we had a bad draft, it aint randys fault Feeley is a chump, and my personal favorite is that your diagnostic skills are chumpish at best, but downright horrible.

Like I have been trying to tell you all, for the last 3 years, all the above are happening and will happen. Like I have said, I am right 80-85% of the time. You canlay blame on Randy McMichael, but that just goes to show what kind of diagnostic skills you have. None! But, it cant be your lil boy under center, not the precious Feeley. The flop master, the kid with the big eyes, AJ "Birdman" Feeley!

Dude...what the hell is the matter with you? Did you forget to take you pills this morning?

McMike is not as great as you think he is. You can't deny that he drops key balls and falls :sleep: at key times when he needs to make a block.

The season has not even started yet...plus I never said that we would make the playoffs...I've been saying that 7-9 or 8-8 will be a huge accomplishiment from last seasons disaster.

Now Miss Cleo...how do you know that Ronnie will not be good? Please explain and get your head out of McMike's jock!!!

Go Fins!!!