More reasons why I honestly don't uderstand the "experts"

[nyjunc]

...Hold on a second, I got a knock on the door. "Oh hi Mr. Tagliabue. What's this? The announcement that all games between Sept and Nov are meaningless, and only Dec games count for the playoffs? Oh, I must have missed that press release. Thanks.

How convenient of you. Nice selective editing. How about we take ALL their regular season games for as long as both players have been playing together in the same leauge. That would be since 2001 -- and lucky for you, Cole's rookie season with only 350 yards and 1TD is the season that won't be counted. Any reasonable person would agree that's the fairest way to compare the two.

While Coles (4,286) has about 800 yards more than CC (3478) over 4 years (200 yards a year), CC has 9 more TDs. Which gap is more important is for anyone to decide. also, YPC for coles is 13.4, while CC is 1s 14.9 -- not huge, but makes a difference.

So you're right, you should keep "ignoring the fact that Coles has better #s overall" cause it isn't true. Nice try though.

Reg season #s:

Coles 342 recs, 4656 yds, 20 TDs
Chambers 233 recs, 3478 yds, 28 TDs

Coles has started 14 more games but he has 109 more recs and 1178 yds more yards so he has w/o question been the more productive player. I just brought up Dec b/c maybe it would make the comparison a little more fair for Chambers.

 

[nyjunc]

I know and it needs to stop. Football is too complicated to judge quarterbacks by Wins and Losses.

#s factor in but the bottom line is W's and L's, a QB is supposed to guide his team to victory. In some cases not having a D will hold them back but a guy like culpepper has laid eggs in games the last 2 years he needed to win to get to the playoffs while Brady puts up good #s and always makes plays to win. Too many people just use #s and that is nto the best way to judge QBs.

 

[PhinBeck]

OK people, instead of just saying "so-and-so is better" How about you give an actual response with evidence.

Why is Collins better?? Because looking at his stats and career, he hasn't done anything more than Frerotte. Me thinks you are just people who don't like Frerotte.

Why is their O-line better?? Grove and Gallery are both 2nd year players, whom both looked sketchy at times last night and in preseason, but have futures. Just like Hadnot and Carey. Sims would be out equivalent of Jeno James (vet, makes mistakes possibly but mostly solid and you on't have to worry about him). Walker is our Seth McKinney, it's only a matter of time till he gets beat again.

Jerry Porter....what has he done in comparison to Booker? What has Curry done in comparison to Boston?

Stats arent facts, you believe Gus is as good as Collins, fine, but you are in the minority. Part of Collins stats are while he was in an alcohol stupor and with a bad NO team. He did better with the Giants and looks good with teh raiders. He is more accurate than Gus, has one of the best deep balls in the game. I am not knocking Gus. Right now Collins is a better qb. I really hope you are correct, that would mean the fins have a shot a respectability this year.

But I would bet that if a team was choosing a qb to run their offense, 8 out of 10 would choose Collins over Frerrotte.

 

[TorontoFin]

Reg season #s:

Coles 342 recs, 4656 yds, 20 TDs
Chambers 233 recs, 3478 yds, 28 TDs

Coles has started 14 more games but he has 109 more recs and 1178 yds more yards so he has w/o question been the more productive player. I just brought up Dec b/c maybe it would make the comparison a little more fair for Chambers.

WTF, you talking about? You're logic is almost Orwellian. You can't use Coles' first year because CC didn't play. If you want a true comparison, just stack them for each year they played in the same leauge. How the F, is he a more productive player, with 9 less TDs, and only a couple hundred yards more a year?

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

Stats arent facts, you believe Gus is as good as Collins, fine, but you are in the minority. Part of Collins stats are while he was in an alcohol stupor and with a bad NO team. He did better with the Giants and looks good with teh raiders. He is more accurate than Gus, has one of the best deep balls in the game. I am not knocking Gus. Right now Collins is a better qb. I really hope you are correct, that would mean the fins have a shot a respectability this year.

But I would bet that if a team was choosing a qb to run their offense, 8 out of 10 would choose Collins over Frerrotte.

That is false. He has one of the best deep outs in the game, not deep ball

 

[silverloop13]

Honestly Id take thier QB/RB/OL/WR over ours any day. The only thing I think we have better at this point is our TE.

Moss has more TS than all our WR and RBs combined I think. What he does on a field cant be put into numbers. Did you see him put the shake and back on Rodney Harrison last night for a TD :)

 

[PhinBeck]

That is false. He has one of the best deep outs in the game, not deep ball

Did you watch last nite? His deep ball is accuarate and tight. His short stuff is his problem. The outs dont dispute, but he has one of teh best deep balls, Yes there are better deep balls thrown than his, but not alot. IMO

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

Did you watch last nite? His deep ball is accuarate and tight. His short stuff is his problem. The outs dont dispute, but he has one of teh best deep balls, Yes there are better deep balls thrown than his, but not alot. IMO

I did watch last night. I saw a middle of the road deep ball. In fact I thought most of his throws were much too tight. When passing to Moss you need an Arc like Jeff Blake. The throws that Kerry throws do not take advantage of Moss's biggest strength.

 

[DolphanD]

One reason: Randy Moss. Did you see the catches he made? Without him it would've been NE 30 OAK 3. If we had Randy and Oakland had Chambers trust me, we'd be getting more hype than Oakland.

The play of DE Tommy Kelly was good but Brady had all day to throw and so they threw it almost every play. Oakland's secondary could be one of the worst in the league even with Woodson. One ggod corner just doesn't do it anymore. 4 solid corners are better than one top 5 corner because then the team will just spread the field like NE did last night.

And Oakland has to have 2 of the worst starting safeties in the league. No good coverage and no good tackling. It was Randy Moss who made this game even worth watching.

 

[DolphanD]

Not to even bring up Oakland's LBs...MY LORD!! They are helpless against good TEs.

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

Not to even bring up Oakland's LBs...MY LORD!! They are helpless against good TEs.

They are defensive ends who were put in linebacking positions. They are not quick enough to play linebacker. However they did dominate against the run

 

[NJFinFury2004]

however you want to spin it is fine but they led their teams to victory in 9 of 12 meetings so that's pretty good.

And Miami is 3-1 with Ricky Williams vs the Jets :D

 

[LarryFinFan]

Man Schelp, are you off...

Frerotte and Collins equal ?? Are you kidding me ?? You've been watch reruns of Frerotte from 1993 I guess, because of what I've seen he's been very poor...

CC, Booker and co. better than Moss, Porter and co ??? Wow ! Moss alone is better than CC and Booker... Porter is faster than any WR we have. You'd better rethink that...

Offensively the Raiders are light years ahead of us...Our OL hasn't shown any consistency so far so how can you compare them ??

Now, defensively, Oakland is lacking...our D, even with the rookies at OLB and CB overall is better. Although, before we see the guys in a real game, we'll see how much gas is left in Traylor's tank.

Besides, the Raiders are being trumped up because of the Moss trade...that's what has enamored the press...

But Frerotte better than Collins ?? Our WRs better than Oaklands ?? That slays me....

 

[PhinBeck]

I did watch last night. I saw a middle of the road deep ball. In fact I thought most of his throws were much too tight. When passing to Moss you need an Arc like Jeff Blake. The throws that Kerry throws do not take advantage of Moss's biggest strength.

Point is he has a nice spiral and accuracy. He hits his target, you can trajectory all you want, but he throws a nice accurate deep ball that is catchable. He is better than most. JMO

 

[djfresh47]

Honestly Id take thier QB/RB/OL/WR over ours any day. The only thing I think we have better at this point is our TE.

Moss has more TS than all our WR and RBs combined I think. What he does on a field cant be put into numbers. Did you see him put the shake and back on Rodney Harrison last night for a TD :)

I'm not a Lamont Jordan fan, I don't think he's a better player than Ricky or Ronnie. Randy Moss is great, I think he's the best wideout in the league, and 2nd isn't even close.