More Tua Recognition

[EJay]

Its funny that everyone is debating the "we dont know what we got in Tua"? Or as Keyshawn Johnson just stated, "Im not sold on Tua yet"... i mean cmon, isnt it obvious weve seen enough to know the Dolphins can win with him?

Honestly, there is a lot of hypocrisy, stereotyping and flat out discrimination occurring among the media pundits.

Because among Tua and Herbert, one QB is 2 games over .500 as a starter and the other is 2 games under .500. Yet somehow the pundits are sold on the QB with the losing record and not sold on the QB that wins more.

In a bottom line league, no less, where winning and losing is all that matters. Go figure.

Tua’s record is dismissed as the defense and special teams carrying the team. Even though they surely weren’t carrying much of anything during the 1st 8 games this season. Nor does the defense and special teams help pass protect or help the receivers to get open or generate a rush attack. But I digress.

What is also noticeably rarely mentioned is Herbert enjoying the superior offensive weapons, rush attack and o-line.

Do you want to know what Herbert would look like playing behind MIA’s o-line and with their patchwork weapons from last season and this season?

Think back to when the Chargers played MIA and NE last season. That’s what it’d look like on a weekly basis. He’d be utterly lost. And his taller frame and cannon arm wouldn‘t amount to jack squat.

He’d be Josh Allen from year 1. His accuracy problems would be on full display due to the lack of protection and having to sling it as quickly as Tua has to.

 

[AphexPhin]

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[Jamesw]

Honestly, there is a lot of hypocrisy, stereotyping and flat out discrimination occurring among the media pundits.

Because among Tua and Herbert, one QB is 2 games over .500 as a starter and the other is 2 games under .500. Yet somehow the pundits are sold on the QB with the losing record and not sold on the QB that wins more.

In a bottom line league, no less, where winning and losing is all that matters. Go figure.

Tua’s record is dismissed as the defense and special teams carrying the team. Even though they surely weren’t carrying much of anything during the 1st 8 games this season. Nor does the defense and special teams help pass protect or help the receivers to get open or generate a rush attack. But I digress.

What is also noticeably rarely mentioned is Herbert enjoying the superior offensive weapons, rush attack and o-line.

Do you want to know what Herbert would look like playing behind MIA’s o-line and with their patchwork weapons from last season and this season?

Think back to when the Chargers played MIA and NE last season. That’s what it’d look like on a weekly basis. He’d be utterly lost. And his taller frame and cannon arm wouldn‘t amount to jack squat.

He’d be Josh Allen from year 1. His accuracy problems would be on full display due to the lack of protection and having to sling it as quickly as Tua has to.

i disagree but Tua is our QB so as a Phins fan of 50 years I give him my total support. I also respect him as a humble hard working young man who has his head on straight. As someone who looks at QB play closely (I played QB in jr. High and high school) I appreciate Herbert’s tools and his style of play.. He (like Tua) is also a humble, hard working young man who has his head on straight.

I believe both can have great careers. I wish the Chargers well until they play us or until it affects our playoff position.

 

[Crump]

Awesome stuff. And the thing is, even the link that was used to cherry pick IAY or whatever it was, you can look thru it and see, Tua had the least amount of pocket time. You could go thru there and find a negative or positive about every single starting QB in the league and make excuses for where their flaws are.

I was thinking about this earlier this week, even Sunday when they mentioned "Its easy to have a higher passer rating when you're throwing the ball 2 yards down field" (or whatever the f they said, i was drinking and living it up)

Truth be told... if we could bring this offense back 30 years (and i know, it wasnt feasible since WR's could get f'ed up) but hindsight....Who the F here would not take a Danny Boy WR bubble screen to a deep pitch sweep to friggin KAJ. or Edmunds in the backfield catching a pass 2 yards from the line of scrimmage and trying to turn it up compared to a Sammie Smith, lets hit the hole and fumble.

Its also one of the reasons when everyone was saying, pick our new coach for next year and i said Lincoln Riley's offense would be amazing for Tua. Tua + Air Raid = amazing, but you also understand that the short pass is the replacement for the outside run. IF IF IF IF we could ever run up the middle, that quick hit pass on the outside is going to be so much more explosive.

another thing to mention about IAY, who the hell do we want tua to throw it deep to on the outside. DVP is our highpoint deep ball specialist, i still think he is good when he can actually play. Fuller was our burner who was gonna get seperation for Tua to hit downfield. He was a joke of a signing and i said it was **** back then.

We get Tua a true outside WR next year with some talent that can stay healthy, that number will go up.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

My opinion of Tua is the same as it was in the beginning of the season. The last few games have just provided more evidence for me. This is what I posted in mid Sept and mid Oct:

Tua is quick as a hiccup, both his feet and his release. Every great QB needs some elite-level traits. None have all elite-level traits. Tua will never have the huge arm. He will need to rely on quickness, anticipation, knowledge of defenses, etc.

Anyone saying (on either side of the debate) saying they have seen enough is either lying or mistaken.

The overwhelming impression that I get of Tua is quick, quick, quick. Quick reads. Quick feet. Quick release. None of that was nearly as apparent last season. I mostly attribute the differences to the injury, both the physical and mental challenges of dealing with it.

My second impression is that he has the potential to be as accurate as any QB in the league. Thirdly, his arm is stronger than many are giving him credit for. He doesn't have a rocket but it is not a noodle arm either. He has quick enough feet to get in a good throwing position even when flushed from the pocket. When big armed QBs just throw without their lower body and get away with it, Tua will use his quick feet to get his lower body into the throws. Finally, he does have the ability to throw off platform (maybe not all over the field) and is a good enough athlete to navigate the pocket and extend plays.

I like Tua's accuracy and his incredibly quick release. I look forward to a point where he has a full complement of receivers to throw to and an OL that doesn't look like they are trying to get him killed.

Still waiting for more improvement on point number 3. OL is a little better. The play calling is responsible for some of that. Still no shows by our fragile receivers.......

My main goal for the team this year was steady improvement and getting Tua reps so that we can stop the QB carousel. It takes an incredible amount of resources (draft capital, money, scouting, coaching, changing of the offensive system and the player to play it, etc, etc, etc when changing QBs.

 

[fansinceGWilson]

i disagree but Tua is our QB so as a Phins fan of 50 years I give him my total support. I also respect him as a humble hard working young man who has his head on straight. As someone who looks at QB play closely (I played QB in jr. High and high school) I appreciate Herbert’s tools and his style of play.. He (like Tua) is also a humble, hard working young man who has his head on straight.

I believe both can have great careers. I wish the Chargers well until they play us or until it affects our playoff position.

Agree. Too many seem to make this either/or. To me TT/Herbert/Allen can ALL be top QBs. This is not zero sum

 

[Austin Tatious]

If you had two offensive tackles capable of cordoning off the edges, this offense would take off. Instead, we have turnstiles. In a sense, it’s good practice for Tua because he will better in the long run for having to work under such abusive conditions. It’s like when a basketball team practices against a seven man defense. Put yourself under ridiculous conditions initially and normal situations later will be easier to manage.

 

[Tua808]

Anti tua guys

 

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[cltchperf]

I just want the damn line to just protect a little better and allow tua to not have to rush passes all the time. The dude was hitting deep passes in stride for bama. He just needs a line not being trash for once. I'd love for that and you still see his high completion percentage maintain and it would prove naysayers wrong who think his high completion % is just because of his shorter passes. I do believe he does pass a decent amount of intermediate passes too

 

[cltchperf]

Anti tua guys

And some were saying daniel jones has a future? And talk about his o line but disregard tua's o line. While Jones is on his 3rd year I believe and is still mistake prone

 

[cltchperf]

hes gonna be legit when we get more non-puss receivers like waddle and an online not made of peewee

For as good grier has been drafting players this year. The coach and gm have to do something about offensive line. There's no reason for it to be so bad. Miami can have all stars on defense, but miami will just be limited with such a trash o line. To think how good this offense could be if the line wasn't blocking like a jv team. Oh yeah, and team to get rid of chronically injured WRs who are taking up a roster spot for WRs who could be drafted or picked up FA.

 

[PhinFan1968]

For as good grier has been drafting players this year. The coach and gm have to do something about offensive line. There's no reason for it to be so bad. Miami can have all stars on defense, but miami will just be limited with such a trash o line. To think how good this offense could be if the line wasn't blocking like a jv team. Oh yeah, and team to get rid of chronically injured WRs who are taking up a roster spot for WRs who could be drafted or picked up FA.

I cannot convince myself that the Dolphins have the league's 32nd-best-OL-talent, BY FAR, starting on Sundays...yet that's their performance. We need a coach brother. I could see replacing a few of the starters, sure, but overall, they're very young, inexperienced, and their coach is in his first year in the job. That's a recipe for what we're seeing.

And I'm 100% with ya on the WR situation. I don't want to see any of the 3 guys that keep missing games back next year. I'd begrudgingly accept DVP returning, but that's all, and I was a massive Williams supporter. Don't want to see Wilson back either, unless it's league-minimum for vet.

 

[cltchperf]

I cannot convince myself that the Dolphins have the league's 32nd-best-OL-talent, BY FAR, starting on Sundays...yet that's their performance. We need a coach brother. I could see replacing a few of the starters, sure, but overall, they're very young, inexperienced, and their coach is in his first year in the job. That's a recipe for what we're seeing.

And I'm 100% with ya on the WR situation. I don't want to see any of the 3 guys that keep missing games back next year. I'd begrudgingly accept DVP returning, but that's all, and I was a massive Williams supporter. Don't want to see Wilson back either, unless it's league-minimum for vet.

I don't even want DVP unless we get two more WRs that are good. One from the draft who doesn't have any injury history and a durable FA. Then we can deal with parker missing time. But when parker is the only other good WR to waddle and it hurts because the other WRs that are good like fuller or such are hurt just as much. Then it leaves just Waddle and Gesicki. Need more help than that especially with an o line that's not that good, a running game that was non existant until lindsay was picked up

 

[djphinfan]

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